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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:23 PM Original message |
Oil and US Policy Toward Colombia |
January 7, 2008
Oil and US Policy Toward Colombia by Michael Walker The Bush administration has come up with numerous justifications for its annual handout of around $700 million in mostly military aid to Colombia. Of these, the war on drugs and the urgency of combating “narco-terrorists,” which is code for battling guerrillas from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia – People’s Army (FARC-EP), are the most common. Another oft-cited, and far more unlikely, reason for beefing up Colombia’s military is the administration’s ostensible desire to “defend democracy” in Colombia. There is, however, another factor driving US involvement in Colombia that receives rather less public attention: oil. (snip) While Bush administration officials make no secret of the fact that oil plays a significant role in US policy towards Colombia they are less keen on advertising the fact that one of Washington’s main concerns vis-à-vis Colombian oil is keeping US petroleum corporations sweet. In February 2002, the Bush administration, as part of its aid request for fiscal year 2003, asked Congress to provide $98 million to establish and train a brigade of elite Colombian troops to protect an oil pipeline running from the Caño Limón oilfield in the eastern province of Arauca to the Caribbean port of Coveñas. The pipeline was a favorite target of guerrillas from the Army of National Liberation (ELN) and the FARC-EP, who bombed it 170 times in 2001. This decision dovetailed very neatly with the priorities of US oil giant Occidental Petroleum Corporation, which owned over forty percent of the oil flowing through the pipeline. Occidental had long sought to draw the US government deeper into the Colombian imbroglio, disbursing some $350,000 in a successful effort to convince Congress to pass Plan Colombia, the Clinton aid package that drastically increased the US role in Colombia. Anne Patterson, who was US ambassador to Colombia at the time, acknowledged the part played by big oil in the decision to launch the Caño Limón-Coveñas pipeline protection program when she stated that it was “important for…our petroleum supplies and for the confidence of our investors.” Training Colombian forces to defend the pipeline was also aimed at providing Colombia with much needed revenue to fund its war against the guerrillas. Sabotage of the pipeline was costing Colombia about $500 million a year, so it made sense to guard this source of funds. More: http://www.colombiajournal.org/colombia269.htm |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. blowing up power lines is another favorite tactic |
again, it is inconceivable that the FARC has even a pretense of trying to get public support. kidnappings, murder, extortion, land mines, destruction of infrastructure, protection payments, and drug trafficking are not activities that are going to enamor one to the populace. not to mention public relations fiascos like Emmanuel. and they in fact have little support in Colombia.
it would seem that they are merely seeking to protect their power and wealth garnered through these activities. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The Vietnamese did much the same. These are classic guerrilla tactics--that is, |
the tactics of an INDIGENOUS group against a big, well-funded, well-armed military machine backed by a foreign power with financial interests and war profiteer interests that the foreign government is pursuing, while they use a puppet local government, who represents a small, rich elite, to legitimize their activities. They are an ARMY, Bacchus39. They are not Quakers. So to accuse them of BEING an army is a non-sequitur. The real question, which I get to below, is their right to be where they are, and to oppose the brutal Colombian government and its military and paramilitaries, which are serving a foreign power. Donald Rumsfeld would drag us further into this civil war, just as Robert McNamara and Co. dragged us into Vietnam. WE DON'T BELONG THERE. We have NO BUSINESS there. The interests of global corporate predators like Occidental Petroleum, Exxon-Mobile and Chiquita are NOT our interests. And you can demonize FARC all you want...to what point? To get me to hate them? To get others to hate them? Why? They are poorer and more insecure than any other significant entity involved in the conflict, and they are fighting with what tools they possess for self-determination. Why should I hate them? My own government has committed a thousands times worse crimes against South America's poor, and against Iraqis and others, than FARC has committed. They are a leftist fighting force that has held its own against very great odds. I don't think I would ever choose their path, but I have no reason to hate them--and I have quite a lot of reason to hate those who hunt and kill them--people like Rumsfeld and Uribe's paramilitaries, who are the real "terrorists" of this earth.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. yet another reference to the Rumsfeld article. Its safe to say it has become an obsession for you, |
Rumsfeld did not influence voters in the Ven referendum. Rumsfeld did not make a bogus claim about releasing hostages.
Note to the FARC: don't offer to release hostages you don't have. what's interesting is that the FARC could in fact have humiliated Uribe by giving up the hostages to Chavez. yet in the end, they made Chavez look stupid, Oliver Stone look stupid, and further damaged any credibility they had, which they had none. the Colombian government was right all along. if you focus on one group of people, trade unionists, then yes the paramilitaries are largely responsible for the deaths. there is no question that Colombia will be better off without the paras and the FARC. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Focusing on one group, eh? One group of millions? One group of people of all ages? |
All these people have in common in their "one group" is probably poverty, and living in terror of your hero's fascist gangsters.
We don't need to be reminded of all the other "groups" who ALSO get slaughtered by your inestimable forces: teachers, journalists, human rights workers, clergy, etc., etc., etc. Journalists in Colombia were intimidated by their awareness of their collegues being slaughtered after death threats, and they actually admit now to self-censoring just to keep safe. They write about CRAP so they won't be tortured and slaughtered, maybe cut to bits with chain saws or machetes, along with their families. Obviously the rebels took the child to a place where he would be safe since he would not be capable of living on the run like the rest of them. It has already been published that the rebels looked in on him periodically to keep track of him. Without a doubt they had intended to pick him up and deliver him with his mother at the appropriate time, but your slimy, nasty, little vicious weasel President had minions out who got wind of this arrangement first, and bagged the kid before they could get him for the trade. Even a drooling idiot could gather that much. So who lost face here? Only the right-wing a-holes who are pretending they've pulled off a smooth operation. Someone IS going to get the last laugh one day, and it won't be these control-freak, rigid, socially lost right-wingers. People who spend so much time scheming about how to gain even more control over their fellow men are simple criminals, and nothing else. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. you cannot release someone who you don't hold captive |
although the FARC did apparently try to recapture him so then they could release him to show their "good will". the "safe place" the child was residing was in Bogota. who lost face here?, sure, I'll repeat, the FARC who promised to let the hostages go but did NOT. they didn't even have the child. Hugo who was only too eager for some positive publicity after his humiliating defeat in the referendum. then you have Oliver Stone, a host of international observers and, yes, even some of the hostages families were criticizing the government. Ahh, but events changed quickly didn't they??
yes, posting the relative murder rate of only trade unionists is disingenuous when attempting to describe the situation in Colombia. a resilient nation, despite 40 + years of violence. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. As we know, the paramilitaries slaughter all kinds of poor people, |
and everyone knows it, including surviving journalists.
The murder rate of union workers is pertinent in current discussion of plans to extend the Free TRADE Agreement, now in the spotlight in the U.S. Congress, and being studied with extreme seriousness by U.S. Democratic Congressmen. THAT'S why people are discussing "trade unionists" right now. Wake the bleep up. As has been written, rebels on the run don't take children along with them. The child was put in a safe place for his good, and for the good of the rebels, who knew where he was at all times. It was their intention to get him and deliver him with his mother when the agreement was finalized, but Uribe's minions had already learned his whereabouts and barged in there and took him specifically to undo the agreement to trade hostages. There's no chance whatsoever they are going to give up their one and only war, and chance to fleece the American taxpayers for an unholy amount of foreign aid year after long year, pretending they are "at war" with dangerous characters. They ARE the monsters in this ugly story. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. You know, Bacchus39, no one has ever explained how it is that when Hugo Chavez indicated he'd like |
to run for office again, the entire clavern, or cluster of right-wingers started bouncing off the walls in their feverish excitement, so desperate to post every chance they could on how that was the missing proof that Hugo Chavez intends to become Emperor of Venezuela.
Yet, when we learned that goofy, nasty little Alvaro Uribe bagged a second term, which was not the custom in Colombia, he IMMEDIATELY started his campaign to acquire a third term, and his little peanut gallery took up the chant that the nation's security was at stake, and they NEEDED the little fella to guide them through these perilous times. WHERE ARE ALL THE LOUDMOUTHS who should have come forward to make asses of themselves about this terrifying developement? No one can have it both ways: either it's acceptable for both the Venezuelan President and the Colombian President who has grown accustomed to living on the third largest foreign aid package IN THE WORLD, or its not. Right-winger Congressman David Dreier giving the Colombian Assembly a treat by letting them gaze upon his giant butt,as he parks it in the space where normal folks rest their notes when speaking. He was all the rage. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. third term??? |
well lets see if I can help you differentiate. Hugo was elected in 1998, 2000, and 2006. well, into his second full term and he wanted to rule permanently until the Veneuzuelan people shot him down.
Uribe was just elected to a second term. I have never heard of aspirations for third term like Chavez. link maybe???? I have never heard you express any hysteria over Chavez's current third term and his plans to rule permanently like you have over Uribe's second term. Colombia will continue to receive US aid when a Democrat is elected this year. unfortunately for you, Hugo and Fidel cannot run for US president. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You bet I've got links. I posted them months ago: |
Oct 16
A third term for Uribe? Last week the largest party in the coalition backing Colombian President Álvaro Uribe approved a resolution calling on Uribe to run for an unprecedented third consecutive term in 2010. The “Party of the ‘U’” promised to gather the 1.3 millionsignatures necessary for a petition to amend Colombia’s constitution to allow Uribe to run again. If Uribe’s popularity rating continues to hover at around 60-70 percent, as it has for five years, he very well could win again and serve until 2014. Though he hinted in September that he might not seek re-election in 2010, Uribe has been curiously silent about the “U” Party’s latest move. There are many in Washington, CIP included, who believe that the United States has pursued an unbalanced, reckless, exceedingly militarized and ineffective strategy in Colombia. Most of us believe that as part of that strategy, the U.S. government has been too warm, unquestioning and uncritical in its public embrace of Álvaro Uribe. If President Uribe wants to do us a great favor, if he wants to make our work in Washington far easier, he should absolutely run for a third term.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. oh, so there is some talk about a third term |
and you know what Judi, I would NOT support a third term. the last thing latin america needs is yet another "Commandante". My position is quite consistent, no permanet Chavez or permanent Uribe. You on the one hand are horrified by even someone raising the spectre of a third term for Uribe yet gleeful at the prospect of a permanent Chavez presidency.
I have no idea what you meant by the last statement. who is defending right wing meddling in democratically elected governments?? I will remind you that this is in fact Democratic Underground, not Communist Underground. Democrats as in the US political party not psycho antagonists from other countries in Latin America |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Communist Underground? |
You talkin' to me? As for Democrats, it's really GOOD Democrats in Congress who don't believe in how your Uribe is running things in Colombia. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. do you even have a candidate? |
besides Chavez or Castro who cannot run?? Mine is Obama but something tells me he is too right wing for you.
care to explain your support for a permanet Chavez presidency while being horrified by even the mention of third term for Uribe, which again I would oppose, or can I expect another picture of some right winger from your vast collection, or yet another reference to an op/ed piece written by Rummy??? |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Yup, Donald Rumsfeld made a big mistake publishing his op-ed in the WaPo, |
cuz now we know what the plan is, for Oil War II, in South America, and who's behind it. And, yes, I'm "obsessed" with it--the way others became "obsessed" with the "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC), the NeoCon plan for turning a "new Pearl Harbor" into a war for U.S. military domination of Mideast oil fields and other resources. It was a dead giveaway, in other words, of NeoCon intentions, and it meant that the invasion of Iraq was not a mistake, was no "intelligence failure," but was planned long ago--a war waiting for an excuse (9/11). And those who became "obsessed" with PNAC have wanted desperately for the American people to understand what our war profiteering corporate news monopolies would never tell them: that this was a CONTRIVED war, a corporate resource war that DIDN'T HAVE TO BE.
Yes, I feel the same way about Rumsfeld's op-ed. It slipped by without raising eyebrows, just as PNAC did. It is a declaration of war on the good people in South America--the peaceful, democratic Bolivarians. And I'm going to bring it up, as often as I can, wherever you post comments, Bacchus39, in support of the fascist torturers, murderers and thieves in Colombia--Rumsfeld's "friends and allies"--and against good governments such as those in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, and wherever you revile FARC without telling the truth about why FARC exists. The American people need to know what Donald Rumsfeld is planning in his "retirement." Because we're going to pay for it, and our children are going to die for it--slaughtered in another oil war. Call me Cassandra. I am "obsessed" with stopping yet another ruinous, unjust, insane war. Yup, that's me. I accept the epithet "obsessed" when it comes to Donald Rumsfeld's plans. And what about you, Bacchus39? What are you doing? Covering for Donald Rumsfeld? Minimizing his involvement? Trying to draw attention away from his mistake of publishing his plans? Trying to put blinders on people, and focus on ME, as "obsessed," and not on this alarming Rumsfeld revelation of "PNAC II: South America"? What's your role, hm? Why are YOU so obsessed with aiding the fascist/Rumsfeld cause in South America? Rumsfeld's op-ed in WaPo, 12/1/07, is one of the most alarming developments in national and world events since Bush Jr.'s declaration at West Point, in 2002, that the U.S. was abandoning its policy of war as a last resort, and heretofore would be pursuing a policy of pre-emptive war. That event, too, slipped by with hardly a raised eyebrow. Rumsfeld not only identifies Colombia as the launching pad for aggressive war in South America, and oil rich Venezuela as the first target, he suggests dismantling any remaining "checks and balances"(--such as they are) in our own government, in order to pursue this NEW aggressive war, and he further suggests that the government create a propaganda machine on the internet to counter the spread of real information about South America among free thinking citizens. In other words--much like PNAC--Rumsfeld lays out plans for FURTHER Nazification of our own country in pursuit of the goals of global corporate predators, this time in South America. How can you sleep at night, Bacchus39, while you try to marginalize--downplay, throw attention away from--this fucking war criminal's plans to further destroy OUR democracy, as well as targeting democratic countries in South America with large oil deposits that he wants to control? How can you not oppose his intention to further weaken controls on pre-emptive military strikes? Do you even believe in democracy? I'm wondering. I really am. Rumsfeld's op-ed reveals what's behind all this demonization of Hugo Chavez, and the Bushites pouring billions of our tax dollars into the Colombian military, and why a "free trade" deal with Colombia is so important to them (economic warfare against Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador); and it reveals what's behind all the lies and disinformation we see about South America from our war profiteering corporate news monopolies. All of this has in fact been prep for Oil War II. And that has you worried, I think, because you cannot come here, and post in support of the fascists in South America with impunity any more. Your posts now further Donald Rumsfeld's war plans in South America. You think that by saying that *I* am obsessed with this, you can somehow stop me from bringing up Rumsfeld's op-ed every time you post support for the fascist cause. Nice try. Now I know what's got you worried, and you are going to have Rumsfeld's op-ed tagging you everywhere I can manage it. Bacchus39, Assistant Secretary of War in Exile. And tagging other fascist posters. And mentioned in every relevant news item and discussion on South America. Donald Rumsfeld's "retirement" activities are now the CONTEXT for every fascist destabilization effort in South America, for every exposed coup plot among rightwing paramilitaries, for every attempted or successful assassination of leftist leaders, for every murder or 'disappearance' of journalists, leftists, peasant farmers or union leaders in Colombia, or in border areas with Venezuela and Ecuador, or in the rightwing rural areas of Bolivia, for every strange and suspicious political shooting or bombing anywhere on the continent, for every suspected fascist dirty trick (such as the suitcase full of money caper, and Uribe's abduction of Emmanuel), for every "divide and conquer" spat that arises between friendly leftist countries (instigated by Bushites), for every AP hit piece on Chavez, Morales, Correa or the Kirchners (or other good guys like Lulu), for every hostile move by first world financial institutions, and for everything important that happens that harms good leftist governments and promotes the fascist cause, and for all the billions of our taxpayer dollars that the Bush Junta is flooding into fascist weapons and rightwing political groups in South America through USAID/NED, "war on drugs," Pentagon, and other budgets, Donald Rumsfeld's war is now the explanation, the plan and the context. Theater II of the Oil War: South America. You're stuck with it. Thank Donald Rumsfeld. It is extremely dangerous to presume that Donald Rumsfeld is "out of power" and is living in fantasyland. Some of the good people who read PNAC back when it was first written, more than a decade ago, must have thought that what they were reading was nuts, and could never come true in the U.S. of A. Then it came true--all of it, from the "new Pearl Harbor" to the invasion of Iraq and the oil war. And here we are again. Same players. Same goal. Similar plan. And half the Democratic Party leadership is already on board for this--and that half is likely to be Diebolded into the White House this year. Don't say it can't happen again. It can. Rumsfeld must be mighty frustrated by the world's repulsion of his plan to bomb Iran and grab its oil fields. Plan B: Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia. You heard it hear first--from Cassandra, the "obsessed one." She was the sane one. It was the Trojans and the Greeks who were nuts. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. We were all naive to imagine, when we heard Donald Rumsfeld was FINALLY leaving, |
that he would go quietly, after having been feeding on power in and around the White House for decades.
Now he can apply himself full time to destroying even far more lives than he could have, originally, had he been forced to divide his attention between the MidEast and Latin America. We all have watched carefully as he was used to threaten various countries about what would happen to them should they actually elect their leftist candidates for President. We watched in shock as we learned he got to some high-ranking officers in Bolivia, before the Presidential election, and got them to destroy Bolivia's MISSILES, for chrissakes, leaving Bolivia far more vulnerable. He knew, of course, his chances of getting that accomplished during Evo Morales' Presidency were less than zero, and had to move before anyone would stop him. What a damnable shame. We watched as Rafael Correa said he's not going to renew the lease on the air base at Manta. Then, we were not surprised when we heard the Defense Department was shopping both Colombia and Peru for new installations, and that Uribe has been considering building THREE on the Venezuela border. Sounds as if Rumsfeld intends to be around a long time, just like Uribe. It's either plot against the vast poor majority of Latin America, or go home and ride his unicycle. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Whatever mayhem the FARC and related groups might have perpetrated, it all can scarcely compare to |
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 01:40 PM by Judi Lynn
the absolute evil which is stock in trade for the paramilitaries every single day of their existance. What you claim about the rebels groups barely holds a candle to what Amnesty International and other groups have found repeatedly over years and years:
AMNESTY INTERNATIONALhttp://www.amnesty.org/en/alfresco_asset/19dbdfca-a2c1-11dc-8d74-6f45f39984e5/amr230172007en.html Can hardly imagine that you attempt to continue your feeble railing against the citizens as they struggle to fight against these monsters. News of their actions started getting out of Colombia YEARS ago when Colombians started seeking refuge from their absolutely evil, predictably sadistic growing mountain of crimes against humanity. More from Amnesty International addresses the subject: Colombia |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. AI: who's committing the violence? Gov't/security 92%. FARC 2%. |
"...cases in which clear evidence of responsibility is available indicates that in 2005 around 49 per cent of human rights abuses against trade unionists were committed by paramilitaries and some 43 per cent directly by the security forces. Just over 2 per cent were attributable to guerrilla forces (primarily the FARC and ELN) and just over 4 per cent to criminally-motivated actions." - Amnesty International
http://www.amnesty.org/en/alfresco_asset/26e626d7-a2c0-11dc-8d74-6f45f39984e5/amr230012007en.html I would even wonder about that 2%, given the incentive for Colombian military/security and paramilitary entities (billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars in military aid) to fake crime scenes, and also given their control over crime scenes and information. (I've read accounts of murdered peasants' bodies being dressed up like FARC guerrillas to cover up a massacre of innocents--why wouldn't they also plant evidence to make sure that AI reports SOME violence/atrocity by FARC, even if only 2%? The sentence that says "both sides" are committing human rights violations is extremely valuable to the Bushites and Colombian fascists.) In any case, this report puts the matter of Colombian official violence vs. FARC in sharp perspective. The government of Colombia and its military and paramilitary forces--supported by vast amounts of U.S. tax dollars filtered through Bushite fingers--are responsible for over 90% of the violence and horrors of the Colombian civil war, and are no doubt responsible also for prolonging that war in order to keep the U.S. booty coming in--AND to feed Donald Rumsfeld's "Dr. Strangelove" plans for Oil War II--South America (WaPo op-ed, 12/1/07). The discussion of the impunity for rightwing paramilitary death squads, in this AI report on Colombia, is hauntingly reminiscent of how Blackwater and other Pentagon mercenaries were operating in Iraq. Same M.O. Unofficial armed death squads, immune from the law, but working closely with, coordinating with and taking orders from the U.S. military under the command of Donald Rumsfeld. God only knows what these immunized death squads did to people in Iraq--but torture, murder and every manner of brutality and intimidation against thousands of innocent people, for purposes of political repression, is quite likely, just as in Colombia. That's what "rogue" forces are FOR. And isn't it interesting that Rumsfeld, the chief war criminal of the Iraq War, is now creating policy for South America, on the pages of the Washington Post, with special focus on the country with the most oil--Venezuela. Rumsfeld wants "free trade" for Colombia--to reward them for slaughtering all those union organizers--and he wants any remaining "checks and balances" in our own government (f.i., Congress) removed, so the U.S. can "act swiftly" in support of "friends and allies" in South America. And who he is talking about are the rightwing paramilitaries in Colombia, among whom plots to assassinate Hugo Chavez have been hatched, and who are working with fascist forces in Venezuela, Bolivia and other resource rich democracies, to topple leftist (majorityist) governments, re-install rightwing dictatorships and put Exxon-Mobile and Occidental Petroleum and the World Bank/IMF back in charge of looting the region. It is no accident that Colombia is virtually the Bush Junta's only "friend" in South America. The vast majority of South American leaders, and South Americans in general, loathe the Bush Junta, and are moving swiftly toward freedom from U.S. domination with all sorts of new projects and political/economic developments (--for instance, creation of the Bank of the South, which is freeing them from World Bank loan sharks). Leftist (majorityist) governments have swept the elections in South America over the last half decade--with socialist/progressive governments elected in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil and Chile; also Nicaragua, and, in addition a progressive government was just elected in Guatemala, of all places. Paraguay may get a leftist president this year as well. And Mexico's left lost the last election by a hairsbreadth (0.05%)--probably a stolen election. In this context, FARC's armed rebellion seems rather dinosauric (like the Bush and Uribe regimes), but it is nevertheless understandable, given the horrors of Colombia's fascist regime, and also the lies, hypocrisy, failure and utter corruption of the U.S. "war on drugs," which is closely linked to the injustice and brutality that FARC members armed themselves against. 92% of the violence is the Colombian government's doing, vs. 2% FARC. That's the upshot. (Note: AI states that it is not clear that the FARC incidents were aimed at innocent parties such as union leaders, but may well have been against people colluding with the Colombian death squads. I'm not condoning this frontier justice, but AI's comment is interesting, and explains why FARC, which must depend on the goodwill of local people for its own safety, would be involved at all in such aggravating incidents.) Bacchus39 above, who reviles FARC, and who always defends fascists, and reviles leftists--even peaceful, democratically elected leftists (the vast majority)--leaves out all of this context. What motivates FARC. Who commits the most violence. What Donald Rumsfeld's interest is--and Occidental Petroleum's, et al. Why the Bushites love the Uribe government. The story of vast U.S. injustice in Latin America. And the deviousness, lying, black ops, dirty tricks, torture, murder, blackmail, bullying and egregiously anti-democratic policy of the Bushites and of anyone who allies with them. Blowing up pipelines that profit heinous murderers does not seem like such a great crime to me. I would prefer an orderly, lawful society in which redress of grievances is possible, and in which every citizen, rich and poor, has a say in the government, a fair chance and protected rights. But that is so far from the case in Colombia that it is unreasonable to expect ONLY the leftists to be lawful and peaceful. That is Bacchus39's position. He/she never mentions the Colombian government's vast unlawfulness, brutality and corruption--the REASON for the armed guerrilla resistance of such long standing (30 years!). I would never aver that leftist violence is the answer. It merely feeds the fascists (as it has done in Colombia and Washington DC), and it creates a cycle of violence that is very hard to stop. But failing to acknowledge that this is a civil war, in Colombia--much like the one that Donald Rumsfeld instigated in Iraq, and that Robert McNamara instigated in Vietnam--will lead to an even more immense tragedy: U.S. participation in Oil War II, in South America. We have NO BUSINESS in Colombia--none! We have NO BUSINESS arming one side. Occidental Petroleum's interests are NOT our interests. We should pull out now--all military aid, all support--and let the Colombians and South Americans sort it out. There are sufficient good, peaceful, democratic governments in neighboring countries to broker a peace. I'm sure they want to. Let them do it! Propaganda against FARC, such as Bacchus39 is spreading, is very similar to the propaganda against the "Vietcong," and the propaganda against the Iraqis who are fighting back against invasion, mass slaughter, torture and occupation. This lopsided view is helping turn our country into an aggressive Nazi state operating on behalf of global corporate predators. We need to learn to evaluate things in a more balanced and wiser way, and we need to re-empower OURSELVES as to controlling our own government. As with Cuba, we have got to consider WHY people take up arms and rebel. How long would WE put up with the atrocities of a Batista regime? How long would WE put up with Blackwater mercenaries kicking in OUR doors in the middle of the night, and dragging people out into the street, and shooting people with impunity? What pushed the members of FARC into the jungle? Colombia's rich elite had sold their country out to the likes of Occidental Petroleum and Chiquita, and solicited billions of dollars in U.S. military aid to enforce these and other corporations' ungodly profits from Colombian resources and slave labor. Even if you would not choose to take up arms in that situation, you can understand why others might--especially given the long bloody record of atrocities by Colombia's fascist elite, run out of the U.S. White House. There are two sides to this story, and the U.S. belongs on NEITHER. Don't. Let. Them. Stoke. Up. Another. Oil. War! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It really DOES make one wonder how it is we're supposed to believe Rumsfeld when he said he was |
leaving, and he turns right around and proves he has no intention of leaving!
Really appreciate your points in this post, just read through it, and have to run off again, but wanted to thank you for looking over that material. There's no doubt whatsoever what's going on there. Thanks for the reference to Paraguay's upcoming election: I had forgotten about it altogether, and it's a big, BIG one. I believe it's in April, and will check. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Thanks for point it out, Peace Patriot. A really good reading of A-I's comments |
is just what the doctor ordered!
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. The conclusion is chilling, esp. in the context of Donald Rumsfeld's recent WaPo op-ed |
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 06:04 PM by Peace Patriot
in which he basically declares war on Venezuela.
The conclusion of this article: "Then there is the problem of Colombian refugees fleeing to surrounding countries. There has been an explosion in Colombians seeking asylum in Ecuador. The BBC reported in November 2006 that whereas 475 Colombians applied for asylum there in 2000, by 2003 the figure had risen to “more than 11,000 and those high figures have remained constant ever since.” The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimates that in total there may be around 250,000 Colombian refugees in Ecuador. Assimilating refugees is an arduous task for any state, let alone nations like Venezuela and Ecuador, many of whose citizens live in dire poverty. "To put it bluntly, the United States simply cannot afford to let the war in Colombia further destabilize its neighbors and threaten the flow of oil northward. Roughly 16 percent of the oil imported by the United States comes from Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela. Defeating or at least containing the FARC-EP is therefore of critical significance for US energy security. We can therefore expect that Washington will remain heavily involved in Colombia’s affairs for a long time to come." --Michael Walker -------- "The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html Rumsfeld talks about economic and (somewhat veiled, but unmistakable) military warfare launched from Colombia against Venezuela and other unnamed target countries (--no doubt the ones with gas and oil, and leftist governments, who, like the Venezuelan government, believe that local resources should be used to help the poor--that is, Bolivia and Ecuador, and possibly also against their ally Argentina). Rumsfeld wants to get rid of any remaining "checks and balances" in our own government (f.i., Congress) so the U.S. can "act swiftly" in support of "friends and allies" in South America (i.e., fascist thugs planning coups). Michael Walker lays out why Rumsfeld is interested: It's the oil, stupid. And what right does the U.S. military have to be intervening in Colombia's civil war? None. Colombia has the worst, most corrupt, most repressive government on the continent. It is a government with very close ties to rightwing paramilitaries who chainsaw union leaders and throw their body parts into mass graves, in the name of "anti-terror" warfare, who have slaughtered many hundreds of innocent people--peasant farmers, political leftists--and who engage in big drugs/weapons trafficking--very close ties as in the head of the Colombian military, the former head of intelligence, and many Uribe office holders. It is unconscionable that the Bush Junta has been pouring billions of our taxpayer dollars into this filthy, corrupt, fascist government--but it makes sense, since they are no different from Bushites, who have tortured thousands and slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Iraq, to get their oil. Rumfeld's lying and disinformation are notorious. Just figure virtually everything he asserts in the article, about Chavez, Venezuela, and the situation in South America, is a lie. Michael Walker's lies are subtler: For instance: "...the United States simply cannot afford to let the war in Colombia further destabilize its neighbors and threaten the flow of oil northward." The truth is that the war in Colombia on union leaders, small peasant farmers and political leftists is INTENDED TO destabilize "neighboring countries." Colombian rightwing paramilitary death squads are already operating in Venezuelan border areas--as is the official U.S./Bush "war on drugs"--trying to stir up trouble. Assassination plots against Chavez and other democratic leaders have been hatched in these Colombian fascist cabals. There are operatives in-country in Venezuela (where caches of weapons have been found) and in Bolivia (in support of rich rural landowners who want to split their oil/gas rich provinces off from the central government, in a strategy that was no doubt designed in our White House--or in Donald Rumsfeld's "retirement" office in the Pentagon). So, for Walker to say that the "United States simply cannot afford to let the war in Colombia" spill over into neighboring countries is turning things on its head. The Bush Junta has no other purpose in South America but to make trouble--to empower death squads, to destabilize leftist (majorityist) governments, to topple good democratic leaders, to kill, to torture, and to impose fascist rule, on behalf of Occidental Petroleum and Exxon-Mobile, et al. Walker admits that only 1.5% of U.S. oil is imported from Colombia, yet states that the U.S. "simply cannot afford" not to fight a war for it. That is ridiculous. We certainly CAN afford NOT to fight such a war. But what he really means (the sneaky part) is that Venezuela's oil is the sought-after prize in this civil war in Colombia--the excuse for U.S. military presence in Colombia on Venezuela's border, and the excuse for endless Bushite-instigated mischief and grief inflicted on the people of the region, in order to topple their democracies and grab their oil, leaving them none of the profit. The Chavez government is not denying the U.S. its 12% of oil; it's just extracting a fairer share of taxes from cooperating oil companies, and evicted Exxon-Mobile (nationalized the oil infrastructure, paying them a fair price for it). I think I hate the sneakier lie the more--the lie that emerges from the cushioned chairs of academia. Rumsfeld is dancing as fast as he can, for his war/oil profiteer sponsors, probably in a bargain to avoid war crimes prosecution. ('Regain some ground for fascist/corporate rule in South America, and we may continue to immunize you from Congressional investigation and a trip to the Hague."--that's what I think the bargain is.) Rumsfeld's lies are naked. The man is guilty of some of the most heinous crimes of this era. Walker's lies are...I don't know, nauseating in their smugness. Petty, venal, "bought and paid for" lies of a corrupt intellect. But he is right about one thing: It's about the oil. Rumsfeld has South America staked out as Theater II of the Corporate Oil War, and, as with Iraq, we are already paying for it. And I just had an emotional hit on who FARC is: They are the Vietnamese--people who are sick unto death of being "colonized" and are fighting back--unpeacefully, yes, bloodily, yes--but no differently than any other indigenous group including our own American revolutionaries, who have had it with injustice and take up arms. And, frankly, I'm not sure I wouldn't do the same if I saw union leaders chainsawed to death and their body parts thrown into mass graves--on behalf of Chiquita, and Monsanto, and Occidental Petroleum. People can take only so much before they take up arms in their defense. These people--FARC--are well-organized, well-trained, they control a vast territory in Colombia (a third of the country?), they've been fighting for a long time (30 years!), and they obviously have some local support, or they would long ago have been obliterated by the Colombian army with its U.S firepower. I don't endorse their actions. They are as dinosauric as the Colombian government--and the Bushite government--in many ways. I'm just saying I suddenly understand who they are in relation to US. They are people who BELONG THERE--while we DO NOT. We have no business there. If the Colombian government cannot sustain itself without billions of dollars in U.S. aid, then it should fall. It is not a righteous government. It is brutal and corrupt, and has obviously failed to represent the interests of the vast poor population, and has, indeed, viciously disempowered and harmed the poor majority. We should be trading only with good, democratic countries, like Colombia's neighbors. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. Colombia's oil pipeline is paid for in blood and dollars |
Colombia's oil pipeline is paid for in blood and dollars
Trade unionists are the prime target of the US-funded 18th Brigade Isabel Hilton Friday August 20, 2004 The Guardian If peace ever comes to Colombia after decades of civil war, it will come too late for three citizens of the oil-rich north-east region of Arauca, on the border with Venezuela. They were murdered by the army on August 5. The men were all trade unionists, and their killings bring to 30 the number of unionists killed in Arauca so far this year. I met the men on a recent visit to Saravena, a town in Arauca at the epicentre of the government's security policies. Armed soldiers stood on every street corner. At a packed meeting, they and other trade unionists described the conditions they had struggled with after the President Alvaro Uribe designated their area a special security zone. Armoured cars cruised past the building, as though warning those inside that we were all being watched. The stories they told were of mass arrests, kidnappings, intimidation and murder. On one occasion, in November 2002, more than 2,000 people were rounded up at gunpoint and taken to the sports stadium where they were interrogated, photographed and marked with indelible ink. Hooded informers pointed out individuals, who were then arrested. The codename for this mass abuse of civil rights was Heroic Operation. Heroic Operation was an army undertaking, but civilian authorities cooperated: officials from the attorney general's office issued arrest warrants on the spot, on the word of the informers rather than any judicial investigation. Of the 2,000 rounded up, 85 were arrested. They were taken into detention, during which some were told they would be released if they agreed to become informers. Months later, 35 had been released for lack of evidence. When they finally returned home, many faced death threats from paramilitary groups. About 40 of the 50 who remained in detention were trade unionists. The returnees talked of the harassment they endured and the alarming death rate among civilians in Arauca who assumed any position of leadership. Teachers, health workers and union activists were being killed in appalling numbers. The latest three victims were prominent local union officials. The government claims they were guerrillas, but two had been under the special protection of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1287054,00.html |
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