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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:54 AM
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Study unlocks Latin American past
European colonisation of South America resulted in a dramatic shift from a native American population to a largely mixed one, a genetic study has shown.

It suggests male European settlers mated with native and African women, and slaughtered the men.

But it adds that areas like Mexico City "still preserve the genetic heritage" because these areas had a high number of natives at the time of colonisation.

The findings appear in the journal Public Library of Science Genetics.

The international team of researchers wrote: "The history of Latin America has entailed a complex process of population mixture between natives and recent immigrants across a vast geographic region.

"Few details are known about this process or about how it shaped the genetic make-up of Latin American populations."

BBC
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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:13 AM
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1. And with this rape and murder came a horrible 500 year legacy
And with the European invasion and rape of native women and extermination of native men came a terribly destructive race-skin color class system that has haunted Latin America for 500 years. The Europeans are the architects of this hatred because they knew if black, red, and brown ever got together they would be the ones slaughtered. Cleverly, the Europeans pitted one against another and walked away with the mother lode of Latin America’s treasure. Today,Spanish language TV and soap operas in particular portray the rich and educated with blonde hair and light eyes while the servants appear to be Indians or Afro-Latinos. Univision, Telemundo, etc. are carrying on the proud tradition of white supremacy.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:02 AM
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2. There are a few good soap operas like Xica da Silva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOFf1m720CA

would be great to watch Xica in a 3 hours hollywood movie
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:03 AM
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3. they needed a study to tell us that???
well, no kidding. one of the main reasons for an overwhelming mixed population is many countries in latin america is the Spaniards did not bring women with them while the English colonists did in the US.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:28 AM
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5. and the Catholic church agree to marriage interracial couples
instead of preaching a supposed superiority of the white man with the bible on hand.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:31 AM
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6. not sure what you are getting at, the Spaniards and Portuguese enslaved more than the English
although the church did make conversion a priority as opposed to elimination of the indigenous as in early America.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:38 AM
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7. That is that the Catholic church was more liberal than the purist english Calvinist
So race was not the big deal but class, on the other side the english calvinist saw race as a superior dogma.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:48 AM
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8. well all the slaves in Latin America, Indigenous and African may have disagreed with you
on who was "worse". as far as enslavement of Africans I really see no difference. on the treatment of indigenous the difference I guess was between a policy of annihilation versus partial annihilation and subjugation.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:20 AM
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10. I see a big difference
the barriers between races can be demolish much faster and easier when you have an open dialog between them with out resentment. There is no such a thing like good slavery but the roots of segregations go beyond slavery, while the Spaniards slave masters have the same aims as their english counterpart their religions promoted two different ways of segregation, Mexico had his first indigenous president in 1858 while in America we still discussing Rev. Jeremiah Wright's sermon.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:58 PM
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11. so racial barriers in latin america have been eliminated?
spoken with any indigenous people lately?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:08 PM
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12. I talk to indigenous people everyday.
racial barriers have not been eliminated but there is real progress, look at Hugo Chavez or Evo Morales, they are examples that race is not an obstacle to be president in many countries of latin america, most white people in latin america feel that they have indigenous blood in their genes.
By the way a state that I really would like to see an afro latino governor is Puerto Rico.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:15 AM
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13. so where are you going with this discussion?
you seemed to want to debate the relative cruelty of English versus Spanish colonization and now you want to focus on skin tone. Chavez certainly is no first in latin american politics other than being the greatest idiot. there are and have been various presidents of differing hues. look at Fujimori in Peru. their race or ethnicity is certainly not a reflection of how they will be as president now is it???
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:04 AM
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14. Just responding to your first post about why Spaniards did mix with native americans n/t
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:11 AM
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4. "still preserve the genetic heritage"
Hope the study took in account the retreat of some indigenous pueblos who fleet to the mountains after the invasion and in the XX century start migrating to the big cities.



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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:50 AM
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9. Filthy, brutal, backstabbing, weak, self-seeking assholes. Steal what you can, and kill the owners.
Take their land, steal their labor by force, use them up, treat them like dirt, abuse them, put yourself first at all times, destroy their world, their present, and their future. What an elegant heritage.

Jam yourself into their culture, slaughter the future husbands, fathers, grandfathers, destroy the records of their history so they lose any sense of their own identity, and only know a life of servitude, and degredation.

Can you IMAGINE a world in which a group as filthy as the invaders can force others to live as if they are inferior? It's an evil affliction which will take generations to overcome, but it WILL be overcome.

From the article:
Explaining the fate of native males when the Europeans arrived, Professor Luiz-Linares said: "It is a very sad and terrible historical fact, they were basically annihilated.

"Not only did the European settlers take away land and property, they also took away the women and, as much as possible, they exterminated the men."

He said the findings could help people change their perception of Latin American history.

"It is very important in terms of rescuing the past and recognising the roots of the population, and the living presence of natives within the current population," Professor Luiz-Linares explained.
I couldn't possibly hate these maggots more. They are so lucky the people didn't simply rise up against them and wipe them off the face of the earth. Instead, they abused and exploited people who hadn't studied mass murder and duplicity with the same frenzied, self-seeking obsessive intensity.

Only the fact that when they came they brought hideous, cowardly, cheating powerful weapons to use to steal the world of other people protected them while working their pure, simple, unadorned, grotesque evil.

They have NOTHING to feel pompous about, and as a culture, they should be cursed for hundreds of years to come.

That's just the sugary, superficial view, too. The reality was far uglier, and of course had an endless sea of suffering and sorrow for the entire world of victims who never had a chance, who had no escape from these genuine monsters.
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