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El Tiempo, Bogota, Colombia
'I am not a criminal , "said the secretary general of the Presidency to discuss the ' pikes '
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Secretary Moreno believes that the alleged illegal interception of DAS were never made
and that everything was "morbid media activity."
In addition , Bernardo Moreno told Yamid Amat will not return to public life .
As he says, was "one of the most beaten up in this government. " It Bernardo Moreno , the outgoing secretary general of the presidency.
For many, was the man who ordered ' pikes ' and follow-up to the judges of the Supreme Court. "I never did . I'm not a criminal , "he says forcefully. Furthermore, believes that " it appears that the ' pikes ' even existed, but were " morbid media . " Moreno announces he will not return to public life " by wear and ungrateful . " instead reveals that President Uribe will continue in the life of the country. Moreno was interviewed the week ending by the Prosecution.
How did it go ?
It was an opportunity waiting to tell my truth, to give our version and our arguments against so many rumors that have been launched , sometimes absurd and malicious . I tried what we have done from the presidency in a transparent, tailored to the law, and have never ordered to pursue , discredit or interfere with any citizen.
What is specifically investigating what the prosecution ?
It is concerned about an article over a year and a half published by Semana, which claims that since the DAS was ordered interceptions of a large number of citizens. It follows events during this year and a half have led to arrests of members of DAS , under the charge of having , allegedly , made interceptions , surveillance , illegal or irregular activities and release of some of them ensures that instructions were issued from the Chair.
What versions according to which judges were ordered to follow , from the presidency ?
Never gave instructions to intercept, pursue or discredit any citizen. In 2007, they started to get a series of releases to the President, officials and media on the payment of a charter flight Satena from people who have alleged ties to drug trafficking, asked the director of DAS find out who that person was. He never asked to prosecute or investigate judges.
But former DAS officials have complained that they were made interceptions and many versions point out to you as the author of the order ....
I never follow instructions , interceptions or smear campaigns . First , I have no authority to do so , and second , I do not how to proceed.
How do you explain the statement of former DAS intelligence director Fernando Tabares, who said at a breakfast that you instructed him to Maria del Pilar Hurtado for follow-ups ?
The story is not like Mr. Tabares and account for a year before the Attorney narrated what had been to that breakfast and what topics had been discussed. It is strange that a year later he remembers the breakfast , to misrepresent what happened. At that meeting we told the director of DAS out the concerns of the Government on issues of public order , problems with smuggling in La Guajira , the resurgence of paramilitary and drug trafficking in the Sierra , etc. , and we did an x-ray across the country , there was talk of corruption in some state entities and kidnapping in some areas. He never spoke of judges or senators or journalists, such as falsely said Tabares.
Or how about the visit of alias' Job 'to the Presidency?
Neither was at that meeting , nor know the details.
What do you think that a man of the conditions of 'Job 'has gone to the Palace to meet with government officials ?
I understand that the appointment was never given to him, but that it came with another person, and that this meeting was presented as spokesman for the peace process and no warrant for his arrest . Edmundo Del Castillo told me that he only learned who he was three months after his death.
What is the episode of Ascencio Reyes?
We ask the DAS to establish who he was, with versions that existed on his alleged links with a drug dealer . In the files of the DAS did not show anything about him.
" But there was apparently an investigation ordered by the President on who the judges were to travel to a tribute offered by Kings in Neiva and how funds are financed the trip?
It is true that an investigation was made on the judges who have used the charter flight . It was informed UIAF Unit ( Financial Information and Analysis ) provided by Satena response . Act 526, the Statute of the Financial System allows an individual to inform the UIAF any suspicious activity. What was received Satena is what gave his director, Mario Aranguren, for analysis. The matter was there. Only five months later he presented a progress report.
And what does the Secretary General of the Presidency to investigate funding for a charter flight hired Satena ?
He gave information to the competent body to discuss the contractor 's alleged links to drug trafficking charter .
But research was not to accuse judges of the Court to be accepting tributes from an alleged drug dealer and traveling on charter flights for him?
No. A UIAF asked for a report on the financing of the flight. Not on the lives of the judges or their bank accounts. UIAF handed me a report stating that there was nothing irregular in recruitment.
Is not it true the Government's belief that judges of the Court were attending tributes from suspected drug traffickers ?
The investigation focused on the payment of charter flights , not judges.
Was not seeking to discredit the Court?
No. It's what maliciously and wrongly told journalists.
Not only journalists. Human Rights Watch said it was in Colombia a government campaign to discredit the court ...
That was the version of Human Rights Watch obtained by the release of some of these journalists.
In the case of UIAF , its owner , Mario Aranguren , is being held to obtain and deliver sensitive information to the presidency on account of the judges , without judicial powers , or order of a judge ....
Aranguren was doing its work , never gave reports to the Presidency on judges.
What kind of income could have suspected the judges of the Court?
Nobody asked that. Only to find out how he had paid the said charter . He never asked to find out the life, works and miracles of the judges.
But how is that two officials of the Presidency , you and Aranguren , end ordered investigations to find any suspected acts of judges ?
I repeat, not true. In addition, officials who advanced this analysis UIAF said they never asked them financial information of the Presidency of the judges , never carried any report . I recall that Aranguren not an official of the Presidency.
Was not there during any investigation against Uribe government to court?
There was not . The President is a deliberative man , frentero , but not malicious . It has never been instructed to violate the law.
What could not be automatically efforts of some officials to ' serve ' the President?
I can speak of my conduct and so far I have no knowledge acted outside the law.
How far does the President Uribe was interested in knowing information that was offered on judges of the Court?
One thing is that the President likes to be informed of the progress of the country, security, economic growth , infrastructure, agriculture , medicine, etc. . Another , very different, that never happened , is that it had ordered ' pikes '.
If there were no orders, as you say, why did the ' pikes ' and follow-ups ?
To our knowledge there has appeared a single recording or interception of telephone communications in the files of the Office and the Attorney General, is that such ' pikes ' never existed. And as far as I know no one ordered from the Presidency to follow up on anyone.
You specifically accused him of that ...
There have been media morbid and false accusations .
In a country like ours, with such impunity and justice so slow , the media fill the void ...
The media have a responsibility, we understand that. But do not create all sorts of speculation , with claims often badly involved.
" On the ' pikes ', the Prosecutor and the Attorney will believe in his innocence?
I provided all the documents that prove it. I gave my explanation and I have provided the evidence for the researchers are satisfied that from the presidency, and specifically in my case , never gave any instruction to ' pike ' , prosecute , or disparage any Colombian .
Why do you think the dialogue was interrupted by the President with the courts ?
Faced with various issues of national life , they may have different assessments to which he is the President.
His tenure ends next week. Are you going alone?
I'm happy to have accompanied a great president , a huge man like Alvaro Uribe. I'm happy for having made and served the country , having grown up professionally , having helped build and restore to the nation. My reward is the satisfaction that are popular expressions of affection and support the government of President Uribe , that's comforting . Over there , in the depths of the soul , there is the pain of the injustices done to him and me. He had wanted to get out more calm and not under this shadow of doubt on my name. Those who know my life and transparency, my honesty and my honesty , they know that I am not a criminal and I have always been in the path of legality .
" Among the hundreds of reports that you receive every day, never gave anyone the President on track?
Mal could have delivered something that I never received .
What will be done outside of government?
Rest a little, back to the family. I've been working six years without a vacation .
And do not return to public life?
I am very tired of public life , tired of politics. Not anymore.
Why this decision?
Public life is very worn , it is very ungrateful , is complex. I am disappointed to leave under these conditions as beaten. I am proud that my forehead is high and I have nothing to hide. My gray is the work I have no concerns .
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