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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:47 AM
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FARC implicated in Apure (Venezuela) massacre, Ven. said it was paras
I translated a few paragraphs but essentially the FARC killed some Venezuelan soldiers and the Venezuela government knew about it but then blamed the paramilitaries.

http://www.semana.com/wf_InfoArticulo.aspx?IdArt=111741

Masacre en el computador

La última revelación del portátil de Raúl Reyes es que las Farc mataron a seis venezolanos en Venezuela y Hugo Chávez se puso de acuerdo con esa guerrilla para ocultarlo y echarles la culpa a los paramilitares.

The latest revelation of the laptop of Reyes (FARC scumbag) is that the FARC killed 6 Venezuelans, and Hugo and the FARC conspired to cover it up and blame the paramilitaries.

Semana tuvo acceso a varios correos electrónicos que intercambiaron el 23 de septiembre de 2004 Iván Márquez, el ‘Mono Jojoy’, Rodrigo Granda y el abatido Raúl Reyes. En las comunicaciones los jefes guerrilleros no hablaron sino de un tema que los tenía profundamente preocupados: la masacre de Apure.

The Semana News Magazine had access to various emails that were exchanged on 9/24/04 with Ivan Marquez, (Mono Jojoy), Rodrigo Granda, and the deceased Raul Reyes. In the communications, the guerrilla chiefs only spoke about one theme that had them deeply preoccupied: the Apure (Venezuela) massacre.

El caso al que se refieren ocurrió el 17 de septiembre de 2004, a las 10:30 de la mañana, cuando un grupo de militares de la Guardia Nacional que escoltaba a ingenieros de Pdvsa (la empresa venezolana de petróleos) fue emboscado cerca de la población de La Charca, en el estado Apure. Cinco uniformados y una ingeniera murieron. La masacre causó gran consternación en Venezuela. El presidente Hugo Chávez, gran parte de su gabinete y su ministro de Defensa de ese entonces, general Jorge García Carneiro, se apresuraron a decir públicamente que la masacre había sido perpetrada por paramilitares colombianos . “No sólo se conformaron con dispararles, sino que remataron a los heridos y eso es lo que hace presumir que el grupo que más se identifica con este tipo de operaciones son paramilitares-narcotraficantes que están en el área”, dijo el general García Carneiro en un comunicado el 19 de septiembre. En los días siguientes algunos medios venezolanos afirmaron que los testimonios de los habitantes de la zona indicaban que los responsables habían sido guerrilleros de las Farc y no paramilitares. Luego, el gobierno de Chávez le restó importancia a esa información y aunque anunció exhaustivas investigaciones y castigo a los responsables, el grave incidente quedó en el olvido hasta hoy. Sin embargo, los correos de las Farc encontrados en el computador de Reyes revelan una cosa distinta.

The incident occurred on 9/17/04, 10:30 am, when a group of Venezuelan National Guardsmen who were escorting engineers from PDVSA (ven oil) were ambushed near the town of La Charca, Apure. 5 soldiers and one engineer were killed. The massacre caused great consternation in Ven. Chavez, much of his cabinet, the minister of defenese, were pressured to say the massacre had been perpetrated by the Colombian paras. "They were not just satisfied to shoot them, rather to kill the injured and that type of operation is known as a paramilitary method that are in the area.", said General Garcia Carneiro in an announcement 9/10. During the following days, some venezuelan sources affirmed that the residents' testimonies indicated that the responsable parties were the FARC and not paramilitaries. Later, Chavez's government dismissed the importance of this infomation and announced exhaustive investigations y punishment for those responsible. This grave incident has been forgotten until now. Now, the emails from Reyes reveal something different.

“Hay que ofrecer disculpas por lo sucedido”

"Pardons must be asked for what occurred".

A los seis días de la masacre, en un primer correo, Reyes le comentó a ‘Jojoy’ que los militares venezolanos tienen suficientes pruebas de que los responsables de la masacre fueron las Farc y que es mejor aceptar la responsabilidad. Le dice también que hay que aprovechar la reunión del jefe de la Dirección de Inteligencia Militar venezolana (DIM), general Hugo Carvajal, con Iván Márquez para disculparse con el gobierno venezolano. “El incidente desafortunado con los venezolanos ha creado dificultades en nuestras relaciones político diplomáticas.

Six days following the massacre, in the first email, Reyes commented to Jojoy that the Ven. military had sufficient proof to implicate the FARC and that it would be better to accept responsibility. He told him as well that they need to take advantage of the meeting with the head of the Military Intelligence Directorate of ven, General Hugo Carvajal, with Ivan Marquez to ask forgiveness with the Ven. government. "The incident unfortunately has created difficulties in our relationship."
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:05 PM
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1. As if it's likely the FARC are going to commit massacres in an area the Colombian DEATH SQUADS
have controlled for years! Nice try!

A quick google look produces the following:
~snip~
A recent series of articles in the Caracas daily Ultimas Noticias has exposed the serious situation in Venezuela’s frontier states. On July 9, UN revealed that over 70% of businesses in Tachira state, which borders Colombia, have to pay a vacuna (“vaccine”) as protection money to Colombian paramilitary gangs.

“The crime wave in Tachira began on August 15, 2002, with the death of a police agent, Freddy Sanchez. From that moment, the spiral has been increasing, and it would appear there is no way of stopping it, at least in the short or medium term”, Ramon Buitrago, from the Popular Network for Monitoring Human Rights in Tachira state, told UN.

In 1999, there were 81 assassinations in Tachira, according to Buitrago’s group, and there were 93 in 2001. These figures increased dramatically in 2002, with 212 murders. By 2005 this figure had almost trebled to 566. “Therefore, we’re talking 2037 assassinations in the last seven years. It is clear that this figure much larger because we are only reporting those that have recorded”, said Buitrago.

Buitrago said that there was evidence of both former and active-duty police officers being involved in some of the killings. The crimes were brutal, characteristic of the paramilitaries, who always leave a personal mark to serve as a warning to the general population.

The frontier corridor between the states of Tachira, Apure, and Zulia, and the Colombian regions of Santander, Arauca and La Guajira, has always been an extremely important route for the movement of military equipment, arms, explosives, wounded combatants, and food supplies. For many years, it has also served as a route for the transport of drugs, the paper reported.

“When the Colombian government realised they had lost the battle {against left-wing Colombian guerrillas} in a very important zone, the fumigation of illegal cultivation of coca became worse. They also destroyed many other food crops that had allowed the campesinos and their communities to survive. In spite of this, {the Colombian government} did not achieve control of the territory, so they began to support paramilitary groups, such as the Auto-Defence Units of Colombia (AUC), whom they not only trained but also assisted to do the dirty work of extortion with guns”, an unnamed social investigator told UN.

Little by little, the cultivation of coca in the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta, Arauca, Casanare, Boyaca, and the north of Santander in Colombia came under the paramilitaries’ control.

After a couple of battles, the paramilitaries took almost total control of the distribution of drugs in the frontier, and began to sow terror, carrying out horrific murders in the areas of Colombia very close to Venezuela. An example is the May 1999 massacre of 40 people in La Gavarra at the hands of the AUC. Five trucks full of AUC equipment escorted by the Colombian military was installed at the paramilitaries’ military base on the banks of the river Tarra, which they announced publicly.

As a reprisal against an attack by left-wing guerrillas, and to set a precedent, the paramilitaries took 20 campesinos, cut them in half with an electric saw while they were still alive, and then killed another 20. From this date, life in the frontier zone changed forever, the July 9 UN reported.

Pablo Rodriguez, editor of San Cristobal’s La Nation, told UN: “The paramilitaries began to arrive in Tachira in 2000. Initially, they settled in Urena, then silently they expanded to San Antonio. First, they contacted the business community, from whom they extorted the vacuna, in exchange for guaranteeing their property and preventing them being robbed or assaulted.”

The paramilitaries began to kill people who had a criminal record such as drug-dealers. Bodies would appear in the streets of different cities, horribly mutilated by electric saws, with the aim of spreading terror among the population.

Six years after entering Venezuela, the paramilitaries can be found operating in almost all the municipalities of Tachira, some of Apure, and in areas of Barinas.
“Nobody refuses to pay the vacuna. Everybody collaborates, because the only other option is death, simply because one is accused of supporting the {left-wing} guerrillas”, Rodriguez said.

He claimed that the Venezuelan security forces know the movement of these people and that some security officials are actively involved in these groups, but the government hadn’t done anything to stop this.

Ronald Blanco la Cruz, Tachira’s governor, says that the paramilitary presence in Venezuela is a direct consequence of the US-backed “Plan Colombia” — the military offensive against guerrilla forces in Colombia under the guise of fighting drug trafficking — and of the support that the Colombian army gives to the paramilitaries.

He also said that the “presence of the paramilitaries can be seen as {troublemaking} by a totally weak {Venezuelan} opposition, looking for support to combat the revolutionary process ...”

He accused the opposition of contracting paramilitaries to assassinate campesinos “to create terror, and an atmosphere in which there appears no government, no security, in order to play the game of US imperialism, which does not want any progressive government to exist. And they find in Colombia their best ally.”

Blanco added: “We have consistently asked the National Assembly to approve the Law of Frontiers, and the Law Against Extortion and Kidnappings, and that they modify the Penal Processing Code for the protection of witnesses. We have also asked that attention be paid to judges and prosecutors who are constantly being threatened. Right now, this is not a regional but a national problem, for the entire Venezuelan state, so they try to contain this total explosion of violence that is engulfing us.”
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2006/683/8029
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:23 PM
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2. looks like a big cover up by Hugo, Judi
your war monger, terrorist supporting, traitorous hero is going down.

oh, by the way, you scoffed at the Chiquita story for paying protection money, yet right there in the article you just posted it says that people are paying the vacuna (protection money) specifically the business community and in fact you highlighted it.

“The paramilitaries began to arrive in Tachira in 2000. Initially, they settled in Urena, then silently they expanded to San Antonio. First, they contacted the business community, from whom they extorted the vacuna, in exchange for guaranteeing their property and preventing them being robbed or assaulted.”
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:36 PM
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3. Oh, please! People who know the story, and DISAPPROVE, don't like the idea
Chiquita (formerly United Fruit all over Latin America) hires people to terrorize UNION WORKERS, not protect its workers. Who the #### do you think you're kidding?

It's the UNION WORKERS who are at risk, not the company executives and their absurd possessions. People of character don't approve of putting profits ahead of the lives of the workers.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:40 PM
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4. again, you just posted the business community pays protection money
now you are saying that the business community pays to terrorize their employees.

People of character don't cover up assassinations in their own country, fund terrorist organizations, intervene in other countries' affairs, war monger, or act like a buffoon.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:25 PM
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5. Pays to terrorize their union workers? Now where would anyone get an idea like that?
Jesus H. Christ. Wake the #### up.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:39 PM
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6. executives in Colombia are frequent targets of kidnapping, and they are
the objects of extortion of course. this is where the protection money comes from. both the FARC and the paras do this. once again, you show your complete ignorance of anything related to Colombia.

all death on all sides is reprehensible. yet, the loss of the lives of union workers is no more or less of a loss than any other person regardless of their affiliation with the exception of the members of the FARC and paras of course. and even many of them are conscripted.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:50 PM
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7. Oh, reprehensible, by now! Fabulous.
US Coal Firm Linked to Colombia Militias

By FRANK BAJAK
The Associated Press
Friday, July 6, 2007; 10:53 PM

LA LOMA, Colombia -- The bus had just left Drummond Co. Inc.'s coal mine carrying about 50 workers when gunmen halted it and forced two union leaders off. They shot one on the spot, pumping four bullets into his head, and dragged the other one off to be tortured and killed.

In a civil trial set to begin Monday before a federal jury in Birmingham, Ala., union lawyers have presented affidavits from two people who allege that Drummond ordered those killings, a charge the company denies.

The Chiquita banana company admitted paying right-wing militias known as paramilitaries to protect its Colombia operations. Human rights activists claim such practices were widespread among multinationals in Colombia, and that Drummond went even further, using the fighters to violently keep its labor costs down.

More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/06/AR2007070601630.html

Just one quick grab from google. Everyone with a working brain knows the companies use these monsters to intimidate their union workers, to keep "labor costs down."

As the saying goes, if companies paid people the money they owe them for their labor they wouldn't make huge profits. You're apparently too important to read any history of the labor movement in the United States, but killing union workers and organizers is an ancient filthy, vicious habit by corporations, and that's why, when unions organized in this country, a lot of companies started going to poor countries where they could bribe and control the officials, and exploit their countries resources.

Any noise you can summons to pretend the truth lies elsewhere is laughable.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:57 PM
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8. look I'm sorry your fat moron hero is about to be exposed as a war criminal
but you'll love him anyway.

and you really don't know anything about latin america do you??
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:18 PM
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11. Nah she doesn't
Edited on Fri May-16-08 04:53 PM by Zorro
However, she did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:05 AM
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13. Funny how Zorro & Bacchus always turn up on Latin America threads to post on behalf of Latin Right
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:45 PM
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14. Ahem...
You rang?

You should be careful what you ask for, judas.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:55 PM
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15. Zorro's making a threat? I'm keeping this comment bookmarked
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:50 PM
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16. Ha ha
bookmark away, judas.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:49 PM
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9. this is something Hugo is going to have trouble explaining to the Venezuelan people
the cover up of murder by the FARC of Ven soldiers.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:42 AM
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10. Wow...
Judi totally told you and you still can't see the folly in your arguments. You are quoting a secondary source on the laptops and protecting Chiquita?

I'm not so sure I understand the war mongering statement either. Seems to me Chavez has been the only one defusing the bomb that Columbia and Ecuador seem to be planting in the region.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:25 PM
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12. How about demanding an international investigation?
How about relentlessly promoting that course of action?

I'm sure Chavez would embrace that approach, don't you think?

Oh BTW Chavez' bombastic threats to Colombia doesn't actually qualify him as a regional peacemaker.
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