Venezuelan citizens required to cooperate with intelligence agencies or risk jail

[Bacchus39]

Venezuelan citizens bound to cooperate with intelligence works


Following the entry into force of the National Intelligence and Counterintelligence System Law enacted on Wednesday by President Hugo Chávez, any Venezuelan or foreign individual, corporation or non-governmental organization is bound to "cooperate" with covert agencies as needed.

Anyone refusing to meet the request for help will be "causing damage to security, defense and comprehensive development of the nation." Therefore, under the Organic Law on Security of the Nation, ordinary people are subject to 2-4 years of prison and public servants could be held from four to six years.

The recently enacted legal instrument, composed of 29 articles and two transitory provisions, considers that "national or foreign individuals and corporations, as well as bodies and entities of the national, state and municipal public administration; social networks; grassroots and community organizations, are entities set to back intelligence and counterintelligence activities, where their cooperation to obtain information or for technical support, is requested by the bodies of special competence jurisdiction."


http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/05/30/en_pol_art_venezuelan-citizens_30A1624761.shtml

[JohnnyCougar]

1. Sounds like every other nation on earth.

What happens if you don't cooperate here with the FBI or the CIA? I think there are laws against that.

[Zorro]

2. Can ya cite some of those laws?

Especially the ones about not cooperating here with the CIA.

[EFerrari]

3. You're asking about laws when your government believes

it can pick anyone up anywhere at any time for any reason.

[Zorro]

4. Care to cite that law?

The one that allows the government to pick up anyone anywhere at any time for any reason?

[EFerrari]

5. It's not a law, that's the point. It's Bush's practice

and it has gone completely unchallenged since 9/11.

There were more than 1200 people rounded up after 9/11. They were never charged and they were hidden from human rights organizations. Later, at Riker's, over 800 tapes were found that document their abuse. There have been no charges, let alone, convictions.

Amy Goodman reported this story. I remember a book by two attorneys who had to go from jail to jail looking for these disappeared people that was presented on BookTv. Last week, there was a story in LBN about how the Pentagon also believes it can set up shop in any American city.

The thing is, you're asking for a reference to law when our government has positioned itself above the law.

[Zorro]

6. The law allows detainment of aliens suspected of terrorism

Can you point me to the Amy Goodman article?

I'd appreciate it.

[EFerrari]

7. I'll have to do some looking and apologize for not having the links handy.

The story was really scary because apparently, these people were not all aliens. And that's what the lawyers said, too, in that presentation. That in their conversation with government officials, the attitude was, we can pick anyone up and at any time.

I'll try to get back with you this evening.

[EFerrari]

8. Here's one link:

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/3/1/u_s_agrees_to_pay_egyptian

A link to the Fox defense:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,62195,00.html

[Mika]

9. Executive Order 12333

If an Agent Knocks
Federal Investigators and Your Rights

Center for Constitutional Rights
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/ifanagentknocks.htm#2

Agents who have an arrest or search warrant are the only ones you are legally required to let into your home or office.

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It is a federal crime to make a false statement to an FBI agent or other federal investigator. A violation could even be charged on the basis of two inconsistent statements spoken out of fear or forgetfulness.

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[EFerrari]

10. It's much worse than that.

I'm trying to find a book title whose authors presented their work on BookTv.

They were two defense lawyers who accidently were drafted to help find people rounded up right after 9/11 in New York. I'll never forget what they said even though I can't remember the title.

They had to go hunt for people all over town, and at the same time, try to get through to federal agencies. A man and a woman. I remember the woman describing a conversation where she finally asked outright, "So,are you saying the president thinks he can just pick anyone up for any reason at any time?" and, the answer was yes. Simply, yes. I'll keep looking.

[struggle4progress]

11. Got the actual text of the law?