Cenk you are an A$$HAT!...

[Peacetrain]

Serious asshat... if you think having someone more conservative..and you admit it.. more hawkish.. and you admitted it would give you a different result than what you are carping about with Obama..then you and Ratigan need a brain transplant.

That makes as much sense as voting for a republican to teach the Democrats a lesson. As if we did not have enough to deal with out there.

And trust me, there is no sarcasm in this rant.

(Just finished listening to his nibs yammer away on said same subject)

[asdjrocky]

1. I'd say someone is an asshat-

who thinks there would be a lick of difference between these two corporate candidates that were presented to the American people.

[Peacetrain]

2. You think that way also.. then take it to heart..

[asdjrocky]

10. Oh I'm crushed.

Way to foster peace, train.

[Peacetrain]

13. Then don't start something up with me if you can't stand the pushback

[asdjrocky]

20. Dude, you didn't really hurt my feelings.

You don't really do subtle, do you?

[maxsolomon]

6. there was a 'lick of difference' between Obama and McCain

if nothing else, in their competence in executing a 'corporate' agenda. McCain is senile & Obama is not. that's a 'lick'.

let me know when we get a choice between something other than 2 'corporate' candidates. this is the way America is designed.

[asdjrocky]

12. I really can't find anything to disagree with there. nt

[Parker CA]

3. His two guests seemed somewhat shocked at his rant. And he needs to learn

how to pronounce Kagan's name. Elena. Not Alana

[Peacetrain]

4. Rant is right.. he did not even give them a chance to speak.. just pontificated

[JoePhilly]

5. YUP...

Its funny because at time Cenk screams about the MSM allowing "false equivalencies" ... and yet in cases like this, he creates one, just in the other direction.

[Peacetrain]

7. I could not believe what I was listening too.. and Ratigan

did the very same thing yesterday..

[JoePhilly]

15. I posted about that too ...

Ratigan let some right wing nut pontificate for about 2 minutes ... no interruption, no other guest, no follow up. I might as well have been watching a Tea Party rally.

[Peacetrain]

17. Exactly.. what on earth is he about..

[Uzybone]

8. all these guys are clowns

serious people are hardly found screaming on TV

[Peacetrain]

11. Clowns is being kind...

[jefferson_dem]

9. Cenk is all PUMA today, asking if Hillary would have been better than Obama.

What a disgusting bore.

[Peacetrain]

16. Yep.. that was the first thing that went across my mind!

[Dinger]

65. Wow, That's Brilliant

:sarcasm:

[jgraz]

33. Of course, Cenk was strongly against Hillary in the primaries

But he raises a good point here. If all we were going to get was incremental change, what was the reason for voting against Hillary? (And don't even start on calling me a PUMA. You know how much I dislike Hillary.)

[CherylK]

14. Does not matter

That segment was a waste of time IMO but that does not make cenk an Asshat, it makes him wrong in one case! Overall he has been brilliant hosting this week. Fantastic commentary on gay rights and the war on drugs!!!

:hi:

[Peacetrain]

18. Well on that he was an asshat.. I have not caught anything else he said.. just

came in the office..

[CherylK]

19. Watch the featured video on the du homepage right now about gay marriage.

Brilliant!

:hug:

[jgraz]

21. Must.. attack.. any.. Obama.. critic..

Program complete.

[jefferson_dem]

22. Not any critic.

Only stupid ones.

[jgraz]

23. In your view, is there any other kind?

If so, please name one.

[jefferson_dem]

27. Sure.

Just one? I'll name two. Cornel West and Noam Chomsky.

Curious: When will you actually express support for anything at all this President does?

[jgraz]

30. I've already publicly announced my intention to support him

when he actually completes the tasks he's publicly announced his intention to complete. For example, when the last combat troop leaves Iraq for good, I'll give Obama credit for that. And not one second sooner.

[jefferson_dem]

34. So he hasn't done one single thing yet... that you deem worthy of supporting.

That speaks volumes.

[jgraz]

37. It just strikes me as strange that the pro-Obama crowd needs such constant validation

Why is it important to you that everyone who posts here praise the President in some way? Is it a loyalty test? Does it just make you feel better to see others parrot your views?

I fundamentally disagree with Obama's method of governance, so you're going to see much more criticism than praise from me. He has done many things that encouraged me in some way: his Cairo speech, his dismantling of the House Repukes at their retreat, his direct attacks on Faux News. But none of those actions have led to tangible policy results.

Most infuriating is his almost congenital inability to take a real stand on an issue. His dithering on the Public Option was a major factor in its defeat, IMHO. His almost detached approach to financial reform meant that most real reform proposals were stripped without comment.

And now we're faced with it again. Obama says he supports equal rights for gays but opposes gay marriage. How does that even make sense?

[jefferson_dem]

40. No need to be defensive.

You asked me to name one Obama critic that I don't think is stupid (i.e. that I respect). I named two.

In exchange, I asked that you name one thing Obama has done that you support. You didn't do that before...but now you have rattled off a few tasty items. Props for that.

As for the merit-worthiness of his accomplishments, and his ability to take a stand and make "progress" ... we'll just have to differ there.

Regarding gay rights ... I'm infuriated right now as are you. It would be tragic if we realize full equality without his voice helping lead the way.

[jgraz]

44. It's not defensiveness, it's exasperation.

I've lost track of how many times I've had conversations like the following:

Me: I disagree with what Obama is doing in this particular case.

Response: Name one thing that Obama's done that you approve of.

To me, the response is what's defensive. If Obama is doing something you like, defend it. If he's doing something you don't like, criticize it. Either a particular action is praiseworthy or it isn't. It makes no difference what a particular poster has said in the past.


That having been said, I'm glad we agree in this particular case. Even from a pure political position, a strong pro-rights statement helps Obama, IMHO. This wishy-washy stuff is just further deflating his base.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

79. I really like how you reason, and I agree with you 100% I think the president makes me feel

like a schizophrenic on most days. One day I'm singing his praises. The next, I feel so disgusted with him and the Democrats that I feel physically sick.

[SkyDaddy7]

63. I think you are just as guilty in the opposite direction!

You feel good to be a part the current FAD of criticizing the President 100% of the time so maybe you should take some time in front of a mirror?

Over doing it on either side of this debate is wrong and you are just as guilty as those who you accuse.

[jgraz]

72. I completely disagree

You don't "think" at all.

The current criticism of Obama is a "fad"? That's one of the silliest things I've seen posted here in a while. :silly:

[SkyDaddy7]

74. Thanks!

[vaberella]

49. More and more he's a critic without substance. n/t

[jgraz]

50. You mean he posts context-free namecalling on DU?

Oh wait... that's the OP.

[vaberella]

51. I'm in agreement on what you say about the OP's post.

However, I'm going on past comments by Cenk. Such as his post on DK.

[jgraz]

53. I don't know what post you're referring to

Cenk sometimes make statements without putting them in the proper context (esp wrt trade policy), but he's usually very clear about what he's saying and how he's arrived at his conclusions.

[vaberella]

55. Understood...

However, I've caught him in his off moments where he exaggerates or over-simplifies things to the point of absurdity and moments I find him to be just wrong.

However in reference to what I mentioned in my earlier post it's here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/7/8/882569/-Who-is-More-Conservative:-Ronald-Reagan-or-Barack-Obama

[jgraz]

57. Oh yeah, I remember that one.

Cenk gets a little carried away sometime. However, most of his posts and rants are extremely well-supported.

In the Reagan/Obama post, he was going for the double-tweak -- both pissing off Reagan worshippers and those who insist Obama is a leftie. I think it was much more targeted at teabaggers than gung-ho Obama supporters. I gave him points for the effort, but the execution left a bit to be desired.

[zulchzulu]

24. Cenk has been off the rails and in the weeds many, many times

He's civics-challenged. He's also a former Republican.

Combine the two and you have the brain of Joe Scarborough. Add a little desperation and you have Cenk.

[CherylK]

26. He has been on the rails many times!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x492068

Case closed!!!

[jefferson_dem]

28. Remember...he tried to argue that Obama was more conservative than Reagan.

Beyond buffoonery ... :crazy:

[flpoljunkie]

38. But better than CNN's Rick Sanchez, no?

[zulchzulu]

59. It's impossible for me to watch Rick Sanchez

He's trying too hard or something and he's utterly predictable. Like Cenk...

[Ramulux]

25. Sigh

Why dont one of you explain what was wrong with what Cenk said instead of just calling him names.

[JVS]

31. Or even a coherent explanation of what Cenk said would be a good start.

[flamingdem]

29. He was on MSNBC claiming Hillary would have been more effective ... AS IF

Kind of forgetting the dirt they would have thrown at her... 10 times more! Reliving Monica! etc!

[CherylK]

32. Major oversimplification

He said Obama promised big change but Hillary didn't, and MAYBE Hillary would fight more for the incremental change instead of using bipartisanship over and over again. I don't know about that but who will argue that our president hasn't gone too far trying to work with the repugs?? Waste of a segment IMO but I still love Cenk!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x492068

[bvar22]

46. Oh Bad.

You are using nuance and intelligence.

[Born_A_Truman]

35. He's painful to watch ...

I got the feeling his "dime instead of a nickel" slipped out. Not that he didn't mean it.

ETA: Can't spell today.

[Yavin4]

36. A President Cannot and Should Not Govern Like A Blogger

Cenk makes the left look shrill and hysterical which defeats the overall purpose of moving the country in a progressive direction. Cenk, and a lot of people on the left, want Obama to rant and rave on a daily basis, pick fights with Republicans, pick fights with conservative Dems, pick fights with Fox News, pick fights with corporate America, pick fights with the religious right, and on and on and on. They want him foaming at the mouth, ranting, and raving 24/7.

To most of America, Obama is seen as very Liberal, which should give you an idea of how America thinks politically.

[flamingdem]

39. Exactemundo nt

[JTFrog]

43. +1 n/t

[30rock]

41. can you tell us what Cenk said...

So we can give an opinion regarding whatever you are criticizing? Exact quote please.

[bvar22]

45. No. They are going to stick with name calling and hyperbolic invective.

Thats what they do.
Thats ALL they do.

[fogonthelake]

48. but it would be great if someone was polite and state what was said.

[JTFrog]

42. Lol, I've been saying that for a while.

An ex-puke who voted for Reagan and Bush has been united with the "far left" in his disdain for Obama. :eyes:

Best put your flame suit on and get ready to be called a freeper.

[boppers]

47. I stopped paying attention to Cenk ages ago.

I find myself better informed that way.

[Warren Stupidity]

52. Hillary Clinton? You couldn't make that clear?

Then again you spelled asshat a$$hat.

An opinion that Clinton might have been more effective than Obama does not make him an asshat. Nor is your assertion that Clinton is more hawkish than Obama convincing.

[depakid]

54. Waaah, he criticized Obama!

Cenk has gone up in my estimation for actually telling it like it is and making sense since Obama was elected.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

56. Yes, Cenk has been ticking me off for a while. I'm glad I'm not a voice in the dark...

I'm with him on accountability but he takes it over and beyond and even disrespects his audience at times. This doesn't work for me at all. There are plenty of forces to make it hard in November I'm at a loss when a commentator on our side makes it harder too. I did mention him to be in the line up but only after Sharpton was talking about diversity. Ironically one of the best pro Obama commentators is Alan Colmes he's a new person on his radio show after leaving Faux fax.

[Ramulux]

58. I dont understand

Explain what was wrong with what he said or how he has disrespected anyone.

[Dinger]

60. I LIke Cenk

A lot.:)

[Beacool]

61. Et tu, Cenk?

He'll be summarily thrown under the bus.

:7

As for the "other candidate", she's not more conservative than Obama. Remember the FISA vote? She probably would have also fought harder for the public option. The major difference between the two of them would be in implementation. Hillary is tough and a fighter, she wouldn't have been rolled over as easily by Congress. Experience does matter in life.

Funny how there seems to be a steady drum roll from both sides of the political spectrum about Hillary. Buyer's remorse?

:D

[JTFrog]

62. There is no steady drum roll.

Except the one inside your head.

Experience sure does matter in life. Hillary had plenty of experience handing the neocons her votes on a platter.

And Cenk crawled under the bus all on his very own. Hillary is just another tool in his box to toss out there to make the pretty heads explode.

[denimgirly]

66. I doubt Hilary would have been better

I am no fan of Obama but based on observation and record it seems AT BEST Hilary would have in the end accomplished the same things as Obama, just as willing to sell her vote for corporate America. I think the difference is that YES Hilary is a fighter but she is also a Corporate democrat. Obama at his core is a progressive but is scared of his own shadow that he will look to appease ANYONE so he can have peace again...even if it compromises his own values. My hope is that Obama gains a pair over the years and not look more and more into the dark side of easy money as the Clintons have done over the years. But from what i see Obama is becoming more corporate friendly and on the path to yet another lost cause.

[Dinger]

64. Energizer Bunny

Yeah, that's it.

[denimgirly]

67. NEITHER of them -- Can we have a REAL Democrat in Office?

Such as Alan Grayson or Anthony Weiner would be fantastic. I feel Obama AND Hilary care too much about making corporate camapaign money or setting themselves up for a big payday that they arent 100% for the people. Yes they are democrats which just means they will help the people about 50% of the time but i am tired and want a real democrat that is willing to help the people 100% of the time.

[LatteLibertine]

68. Nothing wrong with being

critical of President Obama. I feel that can be done in a constructive manner though. I seriously doubt McCain would have tolerated working towards; health care reform, wall street reform, the stimulus, jobs bills etc etc.

Hillary wouldn't have been bad and I'm glad I was able to vote for President Obama and that he won.

[Phx_Dem]

69. Yes, there is. If that is all you can do.

In the case of many progressives, they seem to be obsessed with finding fault with Obama. It started within weeks after he was elected -- with them bitching about him not appointing any gays to his cabinet. It didn't matter that he hadn't appointed hardly anyone at that point. But that's when they started in, and they haven't let up for a second. They bitch about anything and everything. They're assholes.

[Spazito]

70. I've never been a big fan of Cenk...

His only REAL goal is to get more airtime to increase the paycheck along with his profile and it seems he thinks shit like this does it. Maybe for some but not for me.

[Spheric]

71. Obama is far more conservative now than Clinton was during the campaign.

I'm doubtful that Clinton would have changed her positions after being elected like Obama has.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. No surprise you' take issue with an actual supporter of equality

I assume that is what you are raving about. Not everyone is as bigoted as the president, get over it. Most media folks are not anti gay, so deal with it. Not everyone is like a 90 year old baptist deacon. Learn to cope.

[Peacetrain]

78. So does Liz Cheney ..what has that got to do with the price of tea in China?

Learn to discern.

Edit to add.. nothing and I mean nothing drives me to distraction more than a damn libertarian.

[CTLawGuy]

75. I don't watch

MS-Fox anymore, so I didn't see his TV appearance.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

76. Why dont you ever

call out Republicans? It seems like all you ever do is call out fellow Dems in OPs. Talk about a fucking asshat!

[Peacetrain]

77. Bull hockey..

if I stand up for Democrats in here.. then GOD forbid.. I am stifling discussion..

I am a Democrat and I make no bones about it.. I support my party and try and get Democrats elected.. I do not play pitty pat one day for one thing.. and something else the next.

Edit to add.. posting piss ant attacks at me, when I call out a media slap down of Democrats does not impress me one bit.

I live out here in Iowa.. and if we do not have a full boar push on getting Democrats out to the polls even midterms.. all the progress we have made here is in jeopardy.

We have been targeted by the religious right and the tea parties.. and little support of those of us on the ground instead of constant knee capping .. God do you think you could pull that out for a second?

[Dinger]

80. +1

[Peacetrain]

81. knife in back.. thanks .. is the whole gang here to try and get the job done?