So when James Carville pooped all over president Obama

[impik]

You couldn't miss it. HUGE HuffPost headlines, Dozens of Daily Kos diaries, DU front page headline for a whole day.

Now, that Carville is eating his hat, looks who's completely silent: HauffPost teabaggers, Daily Kos "progressives" diarists, and of course, no way this would be DU front page headline. That's not good for the narrative.


Disgusting. So many on the Left simply deserve a Republican president.

[tallahasseedem]

1. Exactly...

I will continue to support the President and do all that I can to keep the Republicans from gaining majority. It seems a lot on here would like them too in order to "teach" the Dems a lesson. Mind boggling.

[TheWraith]

2. Kicked and recommended.

The only people better at tearing down Democrats than Republicans are Democrats.

[jgraz]

7. As proven by the OP. Unrec.

[impik]

10. Oh, you hurt my feelings.

[Luminous Animal]

63. There are 2 highly recced posts on DU & DKos happy with Carville's mea culpa.

So, yes, you are right. Democrats ARE tearing down Democrats. But it is not the progressives who are doing the destruction.

[niceypoo]

3. "Disgusting. So many on the Left simply deserve a Republican president"

Angry?

[impik]

6. Yes, actually. You have no idea what you're doing, but you will in November 2010 and 2012

[niceypoo]

12. It shows

Anger is a corrosive emotion. You should do something about that.

[CakeGrrl]

43. You mean like the people on this site who've said they "despise" President Obama?

That anger seems pretty corrosive as well. I think that crosses the line from righteous indignation to something more off the rails.

[frylock]

46. links?

people on this site state that they "despise" president obama? links plz thx.

[jgraz]

50. * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise *

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

[CakeGrrl]

69. One example was in the thread you created yesterday about the WH response to Prop 8

You should've seen it, but here you are on the bandwagon suggesting I can't back it up. Ironic.

ps - what you call "crickets" might actually be someone doing other things instead of being camped out at the keyboard waiting for a DU retort.

:rofl:

[jgraz]

71. Link?

Still waiting... :boring:

[CakeGrrl]

73. It's in your PM

Do with it what you will. Or not. I don't give a rat's ass except to back up my claim, which I have done.

[jgraz]

74. Only the one? You're still misrepresenting your case.

If you had said "like the person yesterday who said they despise Obama", I'd give you a pass. But you're trying to excuse continuous, vicious attacks on progressives with a single deleted post. Weak and deceptive.

[CakeGrrl]

75. Wrong. You're twisting the argument to something that didn't even involve you

I was responding directly to post #12 with a counterexample. Done. You're trying to whip this up into another broad-brush attack at which you can be outraged. You're already dismissing and condescending to people pretty full-bore. Why are you trying to start it up here?

[jgraz]

76. What does the word "people" mean to you?

Last I checked, it was plural of person. Deception aside, your post is logically ridiculous. How does another person making another post on another day invalidate the assertion in post 12?

[CakeGrrl]

77. Oh noes, I'm logically ridiculous!!!111!!!!

Someone help me recover from this assault on my logic skills from someone I don't even know in cyberspace.

:rofl:

No one said anything about trying to invalidate. Oh, and oops, I shoulda said "person" so that you could give me that coveted pass.

Dammit, how did I let that opportunity pass me by?!?



This is just silly. If you want to pick fights on messageboards, knock yourself out.

[jgraz]

84. So... your post had no relevance to the discussion whatsoever.

Good to know.

[CakeGrrl]

87. No relevance as far as *you're* concerned...so what?

I made my point and there will be agreement from some and disagreement from others. And it hasn't been deleted, so it's all good for me!

[jgraz]

88. Remind me what your point was again?

:shrug:

[Luminous Animal]

82. That is your proof? One anonymous person who may or may not be a right wing troll?

Unbelievable.

[niceypoo]

60. I have been here almost 9 years and Ive never heard anybody say that

The OP is lashing out at imagined foes

[bvar22]

62. lashing out at imagined foes

..and building memes and Strawmen to further marginalize the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

[jgraz]

67. Don't worry. We'll be front-and-center in November

when they need someone to blame for losing Congress.

[CakeGrrl]

70. I saw the comment with my own eyes yesterday

And if you care to see it, I'll send it off-thread.

[laugle]

90. I don't like

pile-on's, but that really is a nasty accuasation. People may despise some of his policies, but I don't believe anyone here personally despises the POTUS. Comment's like that are so non-productive and only cause more division............

[CakeGrrl]

94. It's not an accusation. It was a post. One single sentence.

I read it. It was obviously deleted before others read it. If you read the sidebar exchange above, I PM'd it to another poster. I'm not sure why people have such a difficult time understanding that some people see things written that they miss.

[jgraz]

16. Yes, god forbid we blame the actual politicians for their losses

... or the political idiots who egged them on while they were alienating their base.

[K8-EEE]

4. K&R. Scream accusations, whisper retractions

The corporate media's M.O.

[Forkboy]

5. It's also funny how Carville was attacked back then and praised now.

But that's not good for your narrative either.

[impik]

8. I didn't praise him back then, and most people who were angry back then, are still angry now

Your spin can't work this time.

[Forkboy]

13. Well duh, of course you didn't praise him then. He was attacking Obama.

[impik]

23. And now he admit he was wrong

He could have wait a little bit, but why do it if you can get your 15 minutes of fame. Now that it's obvious how wrong he was, no one cares. The damage was done. And he suppose to be a Democrat. And this is suppose to be a Democratic site.

Bunch of losers.

[Forkboy]

25. I'm surprised he said he was wrong. He's wrong all the time and usually says nothing.

[Dr.Phool]

38. Bingo!

We have a winner!

[jgraz]

9. That is funny, isn't it?

I guess some people simply deserve a Democratic president who acts like a Republican.

[impik]

14. Heee. You continue to spill this demagogic baseless BS. Time to ignore your stupidity. Bye bye.

[jgraz]

18. projection, thy name is impik.

:rofl:

[VMI Dem]

24. You just got what you deserved.

You'll miss him in 2012.

:rofl:

[jgraz]

26. I miss impik already.

I'm gonna go cry in a corner now.

:D

[sharp_stick]

11. Why is that funny?

Carville was attacked for a stream of reactionary comments said before he or anyone else really knew what was going on. And now he is coming out and admitting publically that his first reaction was incorrect.

Being able to admit you were wrong in a very public forum is kind of praiseworthy.

[Forkboy]

17. Just noting human nature.

Say something people don't like one minute and you're the villain. Say what they want to hear the next minute and you're a good guy again.

I think he's a fuckhead, then and now. A political weasel of the highest order, who I wouldn't leave my grandmother alone with for fear of coming home to find her dentures sold.

[Jennicut]

19. LOL! He has always come off as slimy, hasn't he? He and his lovely wife deserve each other.

At least he admitted his first reactions were wrong.

[stevenleser]

20. So its wrong to criticize someone when they are wrong and then praise them when they reverse their

opinion and then become correct? Is that what you are trying to tell us?

[Forkboy]

22. Your post goes to the heart of the matter.

Too often someone's idea of "become correct" really just means "now that they agree with me". Happens all the time right here on DU, from all sides. Surprised you haven't noticed it yet.

[stevenleser]

33. You are interpreting it that way, because you are upset Carville isnt still attacking Obama

The reality is, this is normal behavior. When we vigorously disagree with what someone says, we criticize them. If they come around to the opinion that we think is correct, we praise them.

I criticized people who were for the Iraq war when it started. When they came around to realizing it was a mistake and something that we were lied into, I welcomed them into the fold and praised them. Is that supposed to be wrong now because it involves someone agreeing with Obama?

[Forkboy]

37. No, you're already wrong and you're not even past the subject line.

I didn't even pay much attention when Carville attacked him. I hate Carville, way more than I dislike Obama. I disagree with Obama but respect him. I wouldn't piss on Carville if he was on fire.

You are interpreting it that way, because you are upset Carville isnt still attacking Obama

When you're mature enough to move beyond this tired old chestnut get back to me, and maybe we'll have a normal conversation.

[impik]

27. No. It is wrong for Democrats to eat their with knee jerk reactions and by using

right wing talking points. That is why those lunatics control this country. They stick together and we are bunch of losers, destroying our own president for no reason.

[Luminous Animal]

32. You start with the assumption that "lefties" supported Carville. Can you prove that?

[stevenleser]

35. You mean like with posts here, for instance?

Of course, then we could get into a whole philisophical discussion of "what is a lefty".

[Luminous Animal]

40. Which ones support Carville's attack on Obama?

[stevenleser]

36. I agree 100% n/t

[vaberella]

42. He is...? I still think Carville looks like Skeletor or Red Skull (same difference). n/t

[Luminous Animal]

15. It's been on the front page of DKos since yesterday afternoon...

with a highly recommended diary.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/5/890533/-James-Carville-eats-his-hat,-and-the-president-just-keeps-going-and-going

On DU's Greatest with 109 recs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads

[frylock]

48. don't piss on their parade..

takes a lot of energy to work up to a froth over nothing.

[Phx_Dem]

21. No shit. Progressives love to call wingnuts haters, but they're not alot better.

Edited: typo

[Forkboy]

31. Then you won't be needing them in November.

And I agree, besides the fact that progressives stand for equal rights while wingnuts think gays should be strung up to barbed wire fences, besides the fact that progressive would like to see our soldiers and innocent civilians stop getting killed while wingnuts cheer on war and death from their comfy chairs, besides the fact that progressives would like to see us take better care of the Earth while wingnuts prefer to use it as a personal outhouse, and besides the fact the progressives think the poor deserve respect while the wingnuts would just as soon spit on them, there's nary a difference between the two....

I'm curious, you wouldn't happen to be one those centrists who mocks others for not being reality based, would you?

[jgraz]

34. They certainly act like they don't need us

Of course, if the Democrats lose, it will be all our fault. :eyes:

[SwampG8r]

66. when...not if

when

[frylock]

47. back back back...

and it's outta here! another homerun!

[frylock]

57. you're getting your panties all wadded up over some fake-ass bullshit..

but haters gotta hate.

[jgraz]

61. Some panties come pre-wadded

Just sayin...

[SwampG8r]

64. actually they are worse

they know better and do it anyways

[OwnedByFerrets]

28. Nobody "DESERVES" a repug president.....

not even those stupid enough to vote for one...and especially not the left, so FO.

[Enrique]

29. i didn't care then or now

Carville is a clown who says what's good for whoever's paying him. It was an act when he criticized Obama and it's an act now that he's praising him.

What's he saying now, that the oil is all gone?

[Luminous Animal]

30. Most of the diaries on DKos were critical of Carville.

http://www.dailykos.com/search?offset=0&old_count=30&string=carville&type=both&sortby=relevance&search=Search&count=30&wayback=262080&wayfront=0

Including the highest impact diary.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/22/869034/-With-All-Due-Respect,-James-Carville-Is-No-Expert-On-Oil-Spills

[Luminous Animal]

39. Why are you calling out progressives and not offering proof that they stood by Carville?

Why are you claiming that DKos and DU have been silent when both sites have high impact diaries about Carville's mea culpa featured on their front pages?

[jgraz]

49. Because the OP will use a hangnail as an excuse to call out progressives.

[frylock]

51. because it's the sensible thing to do

[xchrom]

41. Unrec. Nt

[moksha]

44. Your constant talk of how we deserve this and don't deserve President Obama

is really creepy. It seems like a religion to you. Maybe you shouldn't take national politics so personally.

[felinetta]

45. Thank you. Well said.

[Luminous Animal]

54. What is well said? I've offered proof that the OP is wrong...

Front page recced diaries are on both DU and DKos about Carville's mea culpa; and absolutely no evidence that, on either site, there was significant progressive support for Carville's original tirade.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

52. Speak for yourself

Maybe it is you with your whining OP that deserves a Republican President. Some of us want our President to be the best President he can be, that we know he can be and some people dont want to upset the apple cart.

[frylock]

53. 26 recs over utter bullshit..

there are links on this crapfest to KOS giving props to carville. can't you come up with something REAL to bash progressives with?

[Luminous Animal]

55. This is a pile-on against people for doing something they didn't do.

[frylock]

56. exactly..

fucking pathetic. manufactured outrage.

[alsame]

68. Carville was just the excuse to perpetuate in-fighting on DU. nt

[CreekDog]

58. Must we use *that* word?

by that word, I mean "Carville".

thank you. :D

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

59. Indeed, no one in the M$M is reporting this story. Meet the Press won't have Carville

and his corporate wingnut wife on the Sunday morning show airing his apology. It won't be in the mainstream newspapers or the headline anywhere.

But don't blame this on the Left. What do we have to do with that? Carville is anything but "left."

[bvar22]

65. In case you haven't figured it out yet,

James Carville is a Scam Artist, nothing more.
The White House had to send him a check to shut his ass up.

In his spare time, Carville rents himself out to Right Wing dictators in South America to help them rig elections. (True...Google it.)

The words "Democrat" or "Republican" do NOT apply to James Carville or his family.
"Scam Artist" are the only words that DO apply.
If the White House had gotten a check to him quicker, they could have avoided the whole embarrassing episode.


There is nothing here to celebrate.
Carville did NOT have a transformation, or change his mind.
He simply did what he always does, and said what he is paid to say in front of the TV cameras.

[DFLforever]

79. Exactly

:thumbsup:

[lunatica]

72. All those people you mention were screaming at Obama too

That's why the silence. They'd have to admit they were wrong too.

[Luminous Animal]

80. What people?

Here's a google search of DUer's OP responses to Carville. (If you can do better, please do.) The so-called "screamers" are barely there.

Any intelligent person can read through the following posts and see for themselves that the hordes of screaming Obama bashers is a figment of someone's imagination.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x315353
"It's time to fire at the head politically at James Carville for his careless theatrics on the unfortunate Deepwater Oil Spill."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x468744#468816
Carville's Oil Outburst

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x314790
"Carville should remove his head from his butt long enough to fine out what's what."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8421468#8421468
'Political Stupidity': Democrat James Carville Slams Obama's Response to BP Oil Spill

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x317664#317720
Does anyone remember Carville foaming at the mouth at Bush over Katrina?

[Whisp]

78. thats just normal business.

pound on a lie for days then when the truth comes out, barely mention it.

what puzzles me is so many right here on DU goes along with it, hook line and sinker. Following the media like it's worth a speck of fly shit.

[Luminous Animal]

81. Prove that people were pounding on a lie. Do a DU google search and find the

DU posts that people were pounding on a lie.

Here is the search that I did: carville site:democraticunderground.com. I restricted the dates from 5/12-6/16.

The pounding, quite simply, DOES NOT EXIST.

[Whisp]

85. B

and S

[Luminous Animal]

86. I took the time to try to find the evidence to substantiate the OPs claims but I couldn't.

Apparently, neither can you or the OP or anyone else who agrees with it.

[TheKentuckian]

83. Your point? Why is what anyone thinks tied to a person who articulated it.

If you agree with a speaker on a point you are in no way logically required to tag along for a mind change nor are you stuck with the opinion as long as some speaker you agreed with changes their mind.

I don't understand what one has to do with the other at all. Do you think because Skeletor retracted that anyone that agreed with him has to as well? Do you think no one agreed with him until he went on a tirade? Are you claiming that everyone critical of the handling of the Gulf debacle echoed Carville?
Are you claiming anyone ever gives a crap what Skeletor has to say other than "sensible centrists" and some Republicans?


What is your point and why does anyone deserve a Republican President. If you are getting your way and enacting good policy with the right people in place then why are you fucking hulk like enraged?

[Luminous Animal]

89. I'm glad this made it to the greatest page so that the thorough debunking of the OP

gets a fair airing.

[glinda]

91. I don't like Carville.

[Number23]

92. Wow. Judging by the same 4 or 5 names showing up again and again in this thread

you obviously struck one hell of a nerve.

K&R Your point is true and validated by those working so hard to refute it.

[Luminous Animal]

95. Prove me wrong. Damn right the OP struck hell of a nerve, Truthiness does not sit well with me.

I've sufficiently refuted the OP with facts. Funny that you support the OP when there is ZERO evidence of support but disparage me who has provided plenty of evidence otherwise.

Wow! Judging by the fact that the OP cannot come up with any facts to support his OP, I'd say that her/his accusation is pathetically thin.

[Number23]

96. Hit dog hollering in Post 95

[Luminous Animal]

97. Oooooooo! Dog hollering! You so hip. Prove the OP's accusation.

Not one person has been able to do it as yet. C'mon. It is an easy google search. Prove the OP is right and I am wrong.

[Luminous Animal]

93. Kick again in hopes that the impik...

comes up with some proof to support the OP.

C'mon impik!!! You can do it!!! Hoohooohoohoo!!!!!