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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 06:11 AM
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Mourning Joe: "A lot of people outraged by the president stating what is constitutionally obvious"
Edited on Mon Aug-16-10 06:16 AM by jefferson_dem
Scarborough: "A lot of people outraged by the president stating what is constitutionally obvious"
24 minutes ago

From the August 16 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:

VIDEO at LINK: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201008160001?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Former Bush speechwriter, Michael Gerson:

Though columnists are loath to admit it, there is a difference between being a commentator and being president. Pundits have every right to raise questions about the construction of an Islamic center near Ground Zero. Where is the funding coming from? What are the motives of its supporters? Is the symbolism insensitive?

But the view from the Oval Office differs from the view from a keyboard. A president does not merely have opinions; he has duties to the Constitution and to the citizens he serves -- including millions of Muslim citizens. His primary concern is not the sifting of sensitivities but the protection of the American people and the vindication of their rights.

By this standard, Obama had no choice but the general path he took. No president, of any party or ideology, could tell millions of Americans that their sacred building desecrates American holy ground. This would understandably be taken as a presidential assault on the deepest beliefs of his fellow citizens. It would be an unprecedented act of sectarianism, alienating an entire faith tradition from the American experiment. If a church or synagogue can be built on a commercial street in Lower Manhattan, declaring a mosque off-limits would officially equate Islam with violence and terrorism. No president would consider making such a statement. And those commentators who urge the president to do so fundamentally misunderstand the presidency itself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/15/AR2010081502151_pf.html


Toolish Mark Halperin:

Yes, Republicans, you can take advantage of this heated circumstance, backed by the families of the 9/11 victims, in their most emotional return to the public stage since 2001.

But please don't do it. There are a handful of good reasons to oppose allowing the Islamic center to be built so close to Ground Zero, particularly the family opposition and the availability of other, less raw locations. But what is happening now — the misinformation about the center and its supporters; the open declarations of war on Islam on talk radio, the Internet and other forums; the painful divisions propelled by all the overheated rhetoric — is not worth whatever political gain your party might achieve.

It isn't clear how the battle over the proposed center should or will end. But two things are profoundly clear: Republicans have a strong chance to win the midterm elections without picking a fight over President Obama's measured words. And a national political fight conducted on the terms we have seen in the past few days will lead to a chain reaction at home and abroad that will have one winner — the very extreme and violent jihadists we all can claim as our true enemy.

As I said, Republicans, this is your moment. As a famous New Yorker once urged in a very different context: Do the right thing.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2010923,00.html#ixzz0wlaes45O
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 06:52 AM
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1. republicans? Do the right thing? What a hoot.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:29 AM
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2. I'm glad to read/hear pushback against the rethugs.
Cooler heads are prevailing; I hope the rethugs take it to heart. (Yeah, I know :rofl:)
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:06 AM
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3. About once a month, Joe says something sensible....
The rest of the time he's a friggin' tool -- but it's nice to see even a Republican sees the plain facts of this issue.

If the Mosque meets local zoning requirements, it's good to go.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:28 AM
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6. It already passed the community board 29 - 1. (with 10 absentions)
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:23 AM
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4. GOP Do The Right Thing

As I said, Republicans, this is your moment. As a famous New Yorker once urged in a very different context: Do the right thing.

When pigs fly...

Exception, all Bush's would agree with POTUS
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:27 AM
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5. What goes unsaid is that this was approved 29 - 1 by the Manhattan community board
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/nyregion/26muslim.html

Now, no red state is going to allow me - a liberal NYC area resident of NJ - to have ANY say on what happens in their state. They will be far away from the Manhattan Mosque, which would have been pretty unnoticed in Manhattan without the RW loonies making it an issue. They need to go away and leave Manhattan alone.

It is really strange that they think that 911 happened more to them - than to the NYC and DC area. It didn't. The people who died were mostly from NY, NJ and CT - and they were far more likely to be Democrats than Republicans. They were of all faiths - including Muslim - and they likely were far more tolerant of diversity than Boehner and co.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:52 AM
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10. Great Point...
Most of the people who are opposed to this are people who will gladly express their disdain for "New York City Liberals." Fuck 'em all. It's your town, and New Yorkers should be allowed to build whatever and wherever they want.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:34 AM
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7. Joe Madison is talking about this on his show he stated that first of all
the center is NOT near ground zero where they want to build it.It is 2 blocks from ground zero plus he said there is a Muslim center 4 blocks near ground zero that's been there for YEARS and the media and the RIGHT WING NUTS don't mention it.He also made a good point that people forget there were Muslims that were killed in the world trade center.And he said that if that Muslim center isn't built there we might as well get our troops out of Afghanistan because how can we talk about trying help the Afgan people and at the same time have this attack on Muslims in this country
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:49 AM
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8. I hope you noticed he had a Romney fan on later agreeing with him.
And Joe was tearing old Newtie up this morning. The establishment GOP, the connected GOP, wants Romney. A concerted effort is going into not making Mormons seem like a cult but a mainstream religion right now and you are starting to see Romney people surfacing. Romney will be painted as the reasoned and sane R. Romney needs to be pushed to be on the record sooner--himself. Then we can watch him twist himself in to a pretzel many times over.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:19 AM
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:16 AM
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11. Wow! I got bit by a troll for this???
Missed it. I always miss the trolls. Anyone care to fill me in on what the varmint said?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:50 AM
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12. Not just opinions?
But the view from the Oval Office differs from the view from a keyboard. A president does not merely have opinions; he has duties to the Constitution and to the citizens he serves -- including millions of Muslim citizens. His primary concern is not the sifting of sensitivities but the protection of the American people and the vindication of their rights.


He has a duty to the people he serves to manage the government in a way which is consistent with their constitutional rights.

He doesn't have a duty to wade into every single local and state government issue of controversy to pick a fight on behalf of every unpopular minority. He's not supposed to be a knight in shining armor, he is supposed to administer the federal government... which has no duties regarding a church in NYC.

If the city acts in an unconstitutional way, it's up to courts to sort it out.

There are a great many important issues which are being ignored because of the outrage d'jour.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 12:03 PM
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13. Yet, MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell just tried to ratchet this up by calling it a 'firestorm.'
Edited on Mon Aug-16-10 12:10 PM by flpoljunkie
If it's a 'firestorm,' it's a media drive one. She's now interviewing Chuckie Todd, who, to his credit, suggested this 'firestorm' was created by conservatives.

Michael Gerson, Bush speech writer, is now on with her. He has criticized Republicans for their stance on this in an op-ed in the Washington Post.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:17 PM
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14. it is pitiful
do repukes have any clue what "Land of the Free" truly means?
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 12:59 PM
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15. And alot of people think you're a huge DICK, Joe. So what's your point?
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