Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 126

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
nmbluesky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 05:56 PM
Original message
Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 126
Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq

"Barack Obama will work with military commanders on the ground in Iraq and in consultation with the Iraqi government to end the war safely and responsibly within 16 months."



Last of the "combat" troops leave Iraq; peacekeepers stay behind
Updated: Friday, August 20th, 2010 | By Angie Drobnic Holan

The last of American combat troops are leaving Iraq, and journalists on the ground have been documenting the departure of the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division. "Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home," reported the Associated Press. "Iraq in the rear-view mirror; Final combat brigade exits through a landscape littered with memories," said the Los Angeles Times. And "U.S. mission in Iraq switches from combat to assist," said the report from Reuters.


It's important to note here that the description "combat brigade" is critical. About 50,000 troops will remain in Iraq as a transitional force.

Obama described what those remaining troops will be doing in a speech on Aug. 2, 2010: "As agreed to with the Iraqi government, we will maintain a transitional force until we remove all our troops from Iraq by the end of next year," he said. "And during this period, our forces will have a focused mission -- supporting and training Iraqi forces, partnering with Iraqis in counterterrorism missions, and protecting our civilian and military efforts. These are dangerous tasks. There are still those with bombs and bullets who will try to stop Iraq"s progress. And the hard truth is we have not seen the end of American sacrifice in Iraq. But make no mistake: Our commitment in Iraq is changing -- from a military effort led by our troops to a civilian effort led by our diplomats."

This is consistent with Obama's promises from the campaign, when he emphasized removing combat troops but keeping other types of troops. Here's what Obama said at debate on Jan. 15, 2008: "We are going to have to protect our embassy. Were going to have to protect our civilians. We"re engaged in humanitarian activity there. We are going to have to have some presence that allows us to strike if Al Qaida is creating bases inside of Iraq. ... but it is not going to be engaged in a war, and it will not be this sort of permanent bases and permanent military occupation that George Bush seems to be intent on."

We should note that the present agreement between Iraq and the United States calls for all troops to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011. The New York Times recently outlined a State Department plan to use private security contractors for diplomatic personnel, and some observers have questioned whether the 2011 deadline for troops leaving is realistic.

Here, though, we're rating Obama's promise to remove combat troops within 16 months of taking office. Technically, he's a few months over the deadline, but he often said "about 16 months" on the campaign trail. In February 2009, shortly after taking office, he set a deadline of August 31, 2010, and he's making that goal. Given the scale and complexity of removing combat troops from Iraq, we think he is substantially meeting the terms of his promise. We rate it Promise Kept.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/126/begin-removing-combat-brigades-from-iraq/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. This is a BFD.
I've waited for this day since March 19, 2003.

Thank you President Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:35 PM
Response to Original message
2. It is only partially kept.
The promise was that he would begin removing troops in his FIRST month in office, and that the troops would be continually withdrawn until they were all removed from Iraq, and that they would all be gone from Iraq by the 16th month.

Saying that the promise was ONLY to have troops withdrawn my the 16th month is ignoring half of his promise. He blatantly broke the first half.

He isn't really keeping the second half either. He is leaving 54,000 troops behind permanently, and doubling the number of permanent mercenaries and contractors. So our permanent occupational force isn't gone. We have only shrunk the number of military troops somewhat.

It is merely semantics to claim that the troops that have been removed were all combat troops, and the troops that remain are not combat troops. 54,000 troops remaining behind won't be engaging in combat? Do the Iraqis know that?

Are those 54,000 remaining troops somehow not really in Iraq? Do the mercenaries and contractors not count as an occupation anymore either?

All it is going to take is one major offensive by local insurgents against our remaining troops to show that we still have an army remaining in Iraq, regardless of what the Pentagon chooses to call them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. He's removed 100,000 troops. Are you suggesting all of them left this month?
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 06:48 PM by Phx_Dem
It takes a very long time to remove that many troops, and it's been going on for a long time.

And he promised to remove all COMBAT troops by August 31, 2010, which he has done. Another 6,000 will be gone before the end of this month. The remaining 50,000 will be security for diplomats, working in office jobs and helping to train Iraqis, not engaed in combat.

Promise kept.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Sorry, but so long as those 50,000 troops are getting actively shot at by insurgents...
They are still very much combat troops.

This isn't a situation like it is in post-war Germany where 50,000 troops simply camp out without so much as being harassed.

Iraq is still very much volatile, and I fear we may see more than just mercenaries going back into Iraq if the situation deteriorates much further.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. 50,000 troops as security for diplomats?
Are you kidding?

That is the population of a small city as security for diplomats? How many diplomats do you think our state department has in Iraq?

We are leaving fully manned based behind. That's is what requires 50,000 soldiers. An embassy wouldn't hold more than a fraction of that. The rest would be scattered at bases around Iraq.

Can you even imagine a team of diplomats surrounded by 50,000 soldiers? :P
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. The Mercenaries cover "security" anyway, the 50,000 must be street sweepers
Or janitors, after all why have the Marines provide security when a Merc can do it for only 5 times the cost and none of the moral or ethic codes to impede a good occupation?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. Damn right! After all, we don't maintain thousands of troops in any other country on the planet.
Oh, wait a minute...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. There is a big difference between
a base with a few thousand people on it, and a military presence with 50,000 troops and an increasing number of contractors and mercenaries.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. Really?

Japan:
Army: 2,541
Navy: 3,740
Air Force: 12,398
Marines: 17,009

Korea:
Army: 19,755
Navy: 274
Air Force: 8,815
Marines: 242


Italy: Approximately 16,000 US troops, mainly Army and Air Force

Germany: Approcimately 65,000 US troops
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. See, there IS a big difference
We fought wars against Japan, Korea, Italy, and Germany, so the continued military presence is justified there even 65 years later.

But Iraq is an entirely different situation because...


Um.


Wait a minute, I'm sure it'll come to me....



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Thanks for the facts o' life.
I was in the process of researching that myself when I got called away from my computer. Appreciate your having done this. Don't we also have a presence in the Balkans? The map I was looking at had many, many countries around the world highlighted as hosting US military bases, but as I say I got called away.

Hekate
:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. why do you ignore the other 2 details the poster listed?
training for Iraqi troops and office jobs?

Of course not all of the 50k are protection for diplomats.

You make a false argument.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Do you have anything to post Other than personal attacks?
:eyes:

That's incredibly mature of you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. yes but they think the war is over lol nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #8
24. Promise kept. "War" is never "over" but this one pretty much is. We still have 35K troops in Japan
... and the US has not been at war inside Japan since 1945. Did you ever even notice that we have plural military bases in Japan?

This seems to be our world as it is.

As far as I can tell, President Obama is dealing with it. He didn't cause this war, it is NOT "Obama's War," and he seems to be getting us as disentangled from it as possible. And "possible" doesn't seem to include a parade through either Baghdad or New York City where pretty girls are tossing sweets and flowers.

LOL yourself.

Hekate

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Let me ask you this
Can you say anything positive about the president? All I ever hear is a drumbeat of negativity.

President Obama promised to remove American combat forces from Iraq in an expeditious yet orderly manner, and to redeicate our military priorities to the conflict in Afghanistan.

He kept his word.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Yes, I have a shrine in my house
WTF?

I don't know who you supported in the primaries, but whoever it was lost. Get over it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:25 PM
Response to Original message
12. When did the war end?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 09:41 PM
Response to Original message
16. You really believe this shit?

No wonder we're screwed.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:40 PM
Response to Original message
18. Promise Kept.
:patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:38 AM
Response to Original message
21. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
22. Heh..."Obameter".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 06:10 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC