If you were an embryo used for in vitro fertilization and rejected, what would you like done to you?

[zulchzulu]

Poll question: If you were an embryo used for in vitro fertilization and rejected, what would you like done to you?

OK. You're an embryo that was originally intended for in vitro fertilization and it just didn't work out. What would you like your next step to be?

[RandomThoughts]

1. I have had that exact thing said to me before.

I would defeat the thing that thinks they can make that decision.

In other words, that concept is giving someone else the decision if you are 'accepted' or 'rejected'

Anything that would reject me, obviously is not capable of making the best decisions.


Then after that, I would find a way that is better and not in need of rejections by unjust evaluations. Or at best a more accurate way to evaluate. Maybe even a way where there are no rejections.


Side note, that doctrine is proven wrong by mean spirited jokes by the 'things' that would be said to be doing that testing, and if mean spirited, then you wouldn't want them to accept you anyways, instead you would remove them, or help them to make better decisions with better methods. I have observed many mean spirited jokes on me and other people that are uncalled for.

Matter of fact, the entire 'testing' to get into something was proved wrong years ago, I clearly stated if that was the case and they let me in, I was going to change their entire system, and if they did not I would still do that, since the methods are not what I approve of.

[CTyankee]

15. It sounds like you have felt some real pain in your life. I am so sorry.

It is not good to feel rejected, but remember that "mean spirited jokes" often come from people who have felt rejected themselves and can't respond in any other way.

[RandomThoughts]

17. I have not been rejected, some people have claimed to be able to reject.

See the difference.

So I don't feel rejected, but I also think other people should not also.


And I have had very little pain in life, compared to some that need help, including some that as you say are hurting. So I do not hold it against them.


And thanks for the kind comment. :hug:

[CTyankee]

19. Of course, you can't hold stuff against them.

I struggle with emotional betrayal myself...I wouldn't be human if I didn't...so I am aware of the corrosion in your life it can cause.

Whenever I feel down about it, tho, I think about a really good friend of mine whose wonderful, kind, smart, husband, who had just been named Managing Partner in his law firm where he was a star, was suddenly hit by a car while he was out jogging. The Docs at Yale-New Haven saved his life but he was in a nursing home, brain damaged, for 3 years before dying of an infection. He had two teen aged daughters. So I think of the pain my friend had to go thru,just to give myself a reality check. Thank god my kids and grandkids are OK and my husband OK (recovering from back surgery but OK). And that's what really counts...

[renate]

20. I am so sorry for your friend

That is truly awful. So painful, so pointless, and such a terrible waste and a terrible loss. :cry:

[CTyankee]

21. It was a real shock to all their friends, most of whom were discouraged from coming

to visit him in the nursing home. The brain damage caused a great deal of drooping in his face and he wasn't the man who we all remembered...my poor friend was "a widow before she was a widow" since he never came home to be a husband and a father after the day he was hit...

[Milo_Bloom]

2. I'd like to be placed in the body of a bull.

And allowed 20 minutes to rampage in a china shop!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I would distinctly want to be put to the greater good use...

Obviously, as an embryo, I would not have any realization of my fate. I feel this way as a natural outcropping of what I want done with my remains once I die:

Harvest whatever is useful from my body, and discard the rest.

Recommended.

[Twillig]

4. If I don't have a nervous system,

I don't give a damn.

[AtomicKitten]

5. The AntiChoice choice: Funerals for random spooge!

[meowomon]

6. I picked "other" because at the embryonic state of development, there is no brain activity

So, I wouldn't be able to care one way or another.

[FSogol]

10. No Brain Activity? So you are saying those Embryos are Republicans?

:shrug:

[Alcibiades]

12. +1

Same here.

[boppers]

7. I don't exist. Loose collections of cells aren't people, so there's no "you" in the question.

Are you advancing the idea that an embryo should have to sign an organ donor card?

That seems to be the implication.

[Honeycombe8]

23. There's always one in the crowd. Go with the flow. Pretend there's a "you."

Or better yet, pretend you're a Native American, and all things have a "you," a spirit (even rocks).

[Hekate]

8. Zulch, a zygote can't determine its fate one way or the other. Both Mother Nature and IVF have...

... a certain failure rate when it comes to the little things. Women with natural cycles (i.e. they're not using IVF hormones) can shed an unimplanted zygote with their menstrual lining and never know it, and this happens quite often. Women using IVF will be well aware that it didn't "take" but still would be unlikely to see it with their naked eyes.

I'm just trying to reframe this for you. I'm not trying to be argumentative or mean.

Having said that: There are a great many excess fertilized eggs left over from fertility treatments. Women have been known to produce as many as two dozen eggs that get harvested, fertilized, and stored. (I have a friend that only produced 3 eggs after huge amounts of hormones and tens of thousands of dollars. None "took" after implantation. As you can imagine she was devastated.) No sane person is going to try to gestate dozens, but couples put so much into trying that they are reluctant to discard the excess and continue to pay to have them stored.

I think Britain time-limits the storage to 5 years. I don't know what other countries do.

For me, I would say this: just as I am an organ donor and have directed that anything I have not personally used up or worn out should be harvested to make a living person well again, so I would prefer that excess zygotes that will only slowly decay in cold storage be used in research to bring health to the living.

Time to put Bush's "snowflake babies" to rest and go with the science.

Hekate

[zulchzulu]

13. It was meant to be a fairly simple hypothetical question with...

...a little sarcasm on the side.

Thanks for your input.

[old mark]

9. Other - since there IS no brain activity, I'd want to become a republican,

join a church and eventually be home schooled, maybe run for elected office...


mark

[lunatica]

11. I would like to be adopted as a snowflake baby

By Christian Teabaggers.

[progdog]

14. Has anyone investigated this?

Do the pharmaceutical companies have an interest in seeing stem cell research fail?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. No.

It's the chemtrail companies. Like Boeing and Southwest Airlines.

Think about it.

[slackmaster]

18. Other - Get freeze-dried and embedded in clear plastic resin

As a nifty paperweight.

[TheKentuckian]

22. I voted research but I don't think such cells "care" at all. The every sperm is sacred crowd is nuts

[Honeycombe8]

24. I chose to be researched. Caveat: Only if it doesn't hurt. nt