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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:33 AM
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Meet the Billionaire Brothers Funding the Right-Wing War on Obama
http://www.alternet.org/politics/144455/meet_the_billionaire_brothers_funding_the_right-wing_war_on_obama?page=entire

Meet the Billionaire Brothers Funding the Right-Wing War on Obama

Think Progress. Posted December 9, 2009.

They're the 9th richest people in America and they're pushing hard to upend President Obama's progressive agenda.

by Faiz Shakir, Amanda Terkel, Matt Corley, Benjamin Armbruster, Zaid Jilani, Lee Fang, and Alex Seitz-Wald


Billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch are the wealthiest, and perhaps most effective, opponents of President Obama's progressive agenda. They have been looming in the background of every major domestic policy dispute this year. Ranked as the 9th richest men in America, the Koch brothers sit at the helm of Koch Industries, a massive privately owned conglomerate of manufacturing, oil, gas, and timber interests. They are best known for their wealth, as well as for their generous contributions to the arts, cancer research, and the Smithsonian Institute. But David and Charles are also responsible for a vicious attack campaign aimed directly at obstructing and killing progressive reform. Over the years, millions of dollars in Koch money has flowed to various right-wing think tanks, front groups, and publications. At the dawn of the Obama presidency, Koch groups quickly maneuvered to try to stop his first piece of signature legislation: the stimulus. The Koch-funded group "No Stimulus" launched television and radio ads deriding the recovery package as simply "pork" spending. The Cato Institute -- founded by Charles -- as well as other Koch-funded think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, produced a blizzard of reports distorting the stimulus and calling for a return to Bush-style tax cuts to combat the recession. As their fronts were battling the stimulus, David's Americans for Prosperity (AFP) spent the opening months of the Obama presidency placing calls and helping to organize the very first "tea party" protests. AFP, founded in 1984 by David and managed day to day by the astroturf lobbyist Tim Phillips, has spent much of the year mobilizing "tea party" opposition to health reform, clean energy legislation, and financial regulations.

STOPPING CLEAN ENERGY: David Koch presents himself as a champion of science. Next year, because of his donations, a wing of the Smithsonian will be named after him. Nevertheless, Koch has done more to undermine the public's understanding of climate change science than any other person in America. The Competitive Enterprise Institute, funded in part by Koch foundations, has waged an underhanded campaign to falsely charge that a set of hacked e-mails somehow unravels the scientific consensus that global warming is occurring. Koch finances the "Hot Air" tour, a nationwide roadshow using a balloon to depict climate change science as "hot air." Despite the brothers' extravagant wealth, Koch's Americans for Prosperity has run populist ads mocking environmentalists as spoiled brats more concerned about their "three homes and five cars" than about economic conditions. In addition to its efforts to misinform the public, Koch Industries has spent nearly $9 million dollars so far on direct lobbying, much of it on climate change legislation. With a team of Koch-funded operatives going as far as attempting to crash the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen this week, the brothers may succeed in scuttling any prospect for addressing climate change.

STOPPING HEALTH REFORM: Much of the fierce opposition to health reform can be credited to Koch organizations. As the health care debate began, AFP created a front group, known as "Patients United," dedicated itself to attacking Democratic health care reform proposals. Patients United has blanketed the country with ads distorting various provisions of the health reform legislation, particularly the public option. Patients United even centered a media campaign around Shona Robertson-Holmes, claiming she had a brain tumor the Canadian system refused to treat. However, the Ottawa Citizen reported that Patients United has been exaggerating Holmes' case, and that she in fact had a benign cyst. In their quest to block health care reform, Koch-funded groups have fostered extremism. A speaker with the roving Patients United bus tour repeatedly compared health reform to the Holocaust while an eight-by-five foot banner at an AFP health care rally with Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) read, "National Socialist Health Care: Dachau, Germany" superimposed over corpses from a concentration camp. Although many were surprised at the level of anger AFP channeled into Democratic healthcare town halls in August, it wasn't the first time Koch groups have helped to hijack the health reform debate. Back in 1994, Americans for Prosperity, then known as Citizens for a Sound Economy, worked closely with then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich to bring mobs of angry men to health reform rallies with then-First Lady Hillary Clinton.

A LONG HISTORY OF STOPPING PROGRESS: The Koch brothers clearly have a financial stake in blocking reform. Koch Industry oil refineries are major carbon dioxide polluters, and George-Pacific, a Koch Industries timber subsidiary, is one of the largest contributors to the loss of carbon-sink capacity. According to the EPA, Koch Industries is responsible for over 300 oil spills in the U.S. and has leaked three million gallons of crude oil into fisheries and drinking waters. So there are clear business-related reasons why Koch would want to block regulatory enforcement, clean energy, labor, and other reforms. But part of their opposition stems from a long family tradition of funding conservative movements to shift the country to the far right. Fred Koch, father of Charles and David and the company's namesake, helped to found the John Birch Society in the late 1950s. The John Birch Society harnessed Cold War fears into hate against progressives, warning that President Kennedy, Civil Rights activists, and organized labor were in league with communists. By presenting progressive reform as a capitulation to the Soviet Union, Fred Koch and the other industrialists bankrolling the Birch Society were able to galvanize hundreds of thousands of middle class people into supporting their narrow agenda of cutting corporate taxes and avoiding consumer regulations.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:35 AM
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1. k&r (no b!) :)
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:06 PM
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52. Faces of Evil
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 06:07 PM by Froward69
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:20 PM
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53. Obviously they can afford dental.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:41 PM
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79. True
But what the heck is wrong with David's eyes? A doper?
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BluDemocratGirl Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:37 PM
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57. Frick-N-Frack
stealing money from the American people. Declaring the war on Obama? Please!
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:44 PM
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60. These are the guys
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 06:51 PM by mojowork_n
...who bet a $1 that they could take a perfectly loyal employee like Winthorp, and swap him for Billy Ray? The guy on the right shaved his mustache but it still sort of looks like the two old rich guys in that movie with Eddie Murphy. (Clarence Beeks gets locked in the lovesick gorilla's cage at the end, my favorite part of the film.)

.....No, seriously, who are these people? Where are they from and what kind of organizations/businesses are they involved with?
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AusDem Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:07 AM
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86. sorry, didn't even read further down when i saw their pics
but yeah, you're right! they look exactly the same!
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 11:47 AM
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91. Future Senator Al Franken
was in that move. "Trading Places"
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AusDem Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:05 AM
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85. reminds me of the two brothers from "Trading Places"
one of my all time favorite movies
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:20 AM
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87. 97 environmental indictments pre-Bush, 9 after
Once Bush was elected, they went from 97 to 9 indictments, then 7, then finally they settled with the federal government.

Source: http://www.nndb.com/company/920/000058746/
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:40 AM
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2. Obama's Progressive Agenda
That was shuttled out the door when Rahm came in. We don't need no stinkin' progressive agenda!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:44 PM
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49. No doubt they consider anyone to the left of the extreme far right "Progressive"
in other words, everyone who isn't them or their closest cronies.
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Andronex Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:40 PM
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58. right ! "Obama's Progressive Agenda"...
...for this two corporate party scam to continue there needs to be an extreme RW opposition to give Obama some credibility on the so called left, his base, so I would not count these guys on the anti Obama team on the contrary, buffoons like Glen Beck serve a purpose, they even make Obama's RW policies look good. That is why it's 24-7 with Palin and Beck or some other extreme RW lunatic at DU, so the choice is not between a progressive agenda and the RW but instead between the RW and insanity, now choose...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:20 PM
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63. Obama DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO HAVE A "PROGRESSIVE" AGENDA!!!
at best it's a slight deviation from the fucking bush CONSERVATIVE ASSHOLE agenda!!!

These idiots are so far to the right wing, that anything else is considered "liberal" by comparison - even if it isn't so!!!

These idiots are NUT JOB RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:44 PM
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Andronex Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:39 PM
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66. The teabaggers and people like Beck...
are quite convenient to RW democrats, they shift the debate further to the right where Obama is more than willing to compromise while he turns his back on progressive democrats. The loony right gives cover to the Obama administration to pursue it's true objectives.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:56 PM
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67. They want dollars to count as votes. They promote the propaganda machine.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:57 PM
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68. No one can stop them but we can counter them by being better informed and sharing the knowledge
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:47 PM
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80. start with the people upthread
There's a significant lack of anything substantial in their pronouncements, almost like they feel obligated to do the Koch's work for them. I often find myself wondering if this is not the case.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:41 AM
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3. Greatest Page for sure
K&R
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:45 AM
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4. I am embarrassed to report the Kochs are from Kansas
They are evil beyond belief. We have been dealing with this family for decades. I truly despise them.

When I was in college I had a classmate named Koch. She would introduce herself and say "No I'm not related to the evil Kochs."
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:21 PM
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70. neither am I
although I call them my uncles David and Charlie.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:36 AM
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5. Recced
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 08:37 AM by JoeyT
Somehow I knew you were talking about those Kochs before I even clicked into the thread.
Asshole billionaire brothers? Must be that pair of Kochs again.
It's so hard not to make bad puns with their last name. ;)
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grahampuba Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:41 PM
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33. two guesses..
this was my thoughts exactly,.. Koch Bros. perpetual fuckstains.

as Libertarians, they consistently destroy the environment and then wait for Superfund money to come clean up their messes.

these two are in the 'Die Already' list.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:43 AM
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6. K&R n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:52 AM
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7. k&r
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:00 AM
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8. I say declare them "Domestic Terrorists" and send them to Gitmo.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:04 AM
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11. +1
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:48 PM
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24. Are they involved with PETA?
;)
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:53 PM
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35. I wish there *were* some way to effectively counter their poison!
Murdoch and all the rest of their ilk too.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:20 AM
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9. Royalty
:grr:
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:27 AM
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10. one way to stop them is to take their wealth ...legally.....
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:33 AM
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12. And who's funding the Left-Wing war against him?
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:54 AM
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17. spacemen. the kind from mars. they're commies, ya ' know!
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:08 PM
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19. the same two guys
a right wing war will look like a left wing assault and it already does.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:04 PM
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25. Spot on
Right out of the Straussians playbook. Hermann Göring and Leo Strauss are sitting in a warm place laughing and discussing Plato's myth and how the deception works every time.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:44 PM
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23. I guess this whole thing was phony to begin with
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 12:45 PM by fascisthunter
right wing assholes with no clue... not very clever for a billionaire.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:58 PM
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31. The left-wing gets funded by you and me -- mostly in the cost of shoe
soles.

The center-left is doing OK financially now because the right is just so fundamentally crazy at the moment. We have some sane rich people on our side.

The Kochs have done their share to contribute to the insanity on the right. The center-left has to appeal with good ideas. The right can appeal with slogans and ads. We in the center-left are just learning to create effective ads.

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W T F Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:37 AM
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13. So, why isn't the left demonizing these guys like the right demonizes George Soros ?
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:48 AM
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16. Because not playing "nice" would anger the concern trolls
the left, in this country, has devolved to the point that for a big chunk of so-called liberals in America taking the high road is not a means to an end, but the end itself.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:52 PM
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61. George Soros is pretty public. These guys
I think fly more under the radar.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:56 PM
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76. Way, way back in Hillary's time, she dared to mention the "vast right wing conspiracy" and then
Scafie's name came bouncing out for one --

there's an excellent book -- I think it's the "Right Wing Noise Machine" which

tracks all of the right wing investments in creating chaotic opposition to a people's

government --

Keep in mind religion is one of their main political tools -- first they turn to!

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:40 AM
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14. They want to defeat climate change and renewable energy
For 10 years they've been providing millions to block the offshore wind farm in Nantucket Sound - everything they do should be seen in terms of how it obstructs the move away from carbon.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:42 AM
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15. No matter how many FACTS you place in front of the non-billionaire rightwing voters,
no matter how OBVIOUS it is that the ordinary people are being used and conned and duped and tricked into supporting the rich elite's agenda, no matter how often it's shown that the ordinary people are supporting agendas directly against their and their families' own best interests...you will never ever get that through their closed minds.


Multi-billionaires fund "grassroots movements", multi-billionaire media claims the movements to be "grassroots"...and the ordinary people, so totally gullible, swallow it whole and march in lockstep.


Thing is, sometimes some of them DO wake up to the facts; Americans who identify themselves as Republican,18%.

And dropping.

Sometimes the rich elite rightwingers can't fool rightwingnuts all the time.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:02 PM
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18. And DUers are funding the left wing war on Obama :)
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 12:06 PM by BREMPRO
The Koch Bros are the real enemy of the people.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:13 PM
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20. They've screwed over Indian tribes, too.
Sorry, can't explain how I know that.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:29 PM
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21. K&R
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:37 PM
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22. waitaminnit!
I thought this was a grass-roots popular revolt. :sarcasm:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:09 PM
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26. And who is funding the left-wing war on Obama?
Hard to get worked up over right-wingers trashing Obama when the lefties are doing the same thing.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:23 PM
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32. "left-wing war on Obama" What a CROCK!! There is NO left-wing war on Obama, Phx_Dem.
There is criticism of him and disappointment in him, that is being legitimately voiced by many of us left-wingers, including a lot of folks on DU. That's our right and our obligation as citizens of a democratic republic.

Perhaps you'd like to explain to me how that is "war on Obama".

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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:33 PM
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39. Read Democratic blogs, read DU, listen to what Dems are saying Bertman.
Open your ears and you might hear something.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:53 PM
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44. I've been reading and listening, but nothing I hear or see equates with "war" or even
comes near to "war".

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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:42 PM
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34. Demagogic deflection
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:10 PM
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27. Here is one of many, many favors granted to Koch from George Bush
"Koch Industries, the largest privately-held oil company in the United States, has frequently been taken to task for its environmental infractions. In September 2000, the United States government brought a 97-count indictment against the company; after the inauguration of George W. Bush, the number of counts dropped from 97 to 9; two more charges were dropped in March, and the case was finally settled by the Justice Department two days before it would have gone to trial."

Source:http://www.nndb.com/company/920/000058746/
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:15 PM
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28. Now you know why Koch declares war on President Obama.
Apparently, Koch feels he deserves to be treated as royalty.

The brothers who inherited billions not only want to steal YOUR money...they want the air you breathe too. Disgusting.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:36 PM
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29. not terribly surprising, I suppose. K&R nt
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:42 PM
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30. Not forgettting the key part AFP played in bringing down Green Jobs Advisor Van Jones
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:04 PM
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36. Draft them and put them in Iraq.
Protect them there oil fields boys while our military enjoy life back in the US of A!
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KrazyinKS Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:14 PM
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37. They used to call it BS & water
I am from Wichita. My husband hauls oil for 30 years. (not for the Koch's) When they pick it up it has water in and and they have to measure how much water in it. For years the Koch's saidit has much more water in it then it really did. They used to call it bullshit and water. They ripped off the Indians in Oklahoma for years, Bill Koch had a lawsuit against his brothers, it went on for years. I don't know if someone got paid off or what but the Osage nation wouldn't sue. For years (maybe not now) but the Indians didn't understand the concept of money it wasn't in their culture. So they got screwed a LOT. There are a lot of good articles online on the lawsuit. Bill Koch accused his family of participating in organized crime, it went on for quite a while and got really nasty.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:29 PM
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38. Who's funding the left wing war on Obama?
Just asking.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:12 PM
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45. "left wing war on Obama", a.k.a. particpatory democracy
:eyes:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:37 PM
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40. They deserve side-by-side guillotines
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:47 PM
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41. their most important tool is a monopoly of 1000
UNCONTESTED radio stations that their think tanks launder their talking points through.

it's their most important weapon and until the left stops ignoring it it's going to keep enabling the obstruction and compromises we can't afford.

what is happening now is like a bunch of jerks on soapboxes on every corner yelling that the left's mother is a whore and the left ignores it. those limbaugh megastations in every state need to be picketed and their local sponsors asked WTF.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:50 PM
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42. It's important to remember who the real enemy is
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:51 PM
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43. If they hung out here a little they'd realize Obama is a weak-kneed corporate sellout
Save'em some money.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:14 PM
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46. Spoiled parasites who never worked for a thing in their miserable lives.
Walking advertisements for a 100% estate tax.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:25 PM
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47. They're still Birchers as far as I'm concerned.
And slowly & quietly the Birchers are gaining more and more disciples in small towns across America
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:26 PM
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48. What a Futile, Stupid Way to Go Broke
cocaine for the political soul.

More power to them. I hope they blow it all on wasted effort.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:00 PM
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50. Couple of kochsuckers, sounds like.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:01 PM
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51. These P'sOS live in my hometown. And, yes, they DO suck. nt
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PJPhreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:46 PM
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73. As a ex-Wichita resident,
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 10:52 PM by PJPhreak
These clowns more than suck.

Tomorrow I'll get out of the house and shoot some photos of the mini oil tank farms and Oil Pump Jacks all over Greenwood County Ks...more than likely owned by Frontier Refineries of Eldorado Ks.and backed by Koch Ind.Financing.

These mini Tank farms should be "Superfund" clean-up sites,the environmental damage that their existence creates is beyond belief!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:59 PM
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77. Aren't they personally some really nasty people? Remember reading about them
in years gone by --

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:23 PM
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54. exposure is a start
good post
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:25 PM
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55. Let's make these guys better known than George Soros
Every time anything happens, the Freepers attribute it to George Soros. These two have painted even bigger bull's eyes on their asses.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:28 PM
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56. And since organizations such at the Cato Institute are 501(c)(3)...
All of their fundings are tax deductible.

Like a religion.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:41 PM
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59. "Americans for prosperity" translated means only if your willing to say and
do whatever it takes to make " money trumps peace" successful..... No thank you....
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:17 PM
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62. KICK and REC n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:46 PM
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65. The old phrase "follow the money" always gives you the answer K/R n/t
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:13 PM
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69. Everytime I run into a RW front group, if I dig far enough I run into the name "Koch".
Name a right wing cause. Someone named Koch has probably helped to fund it.

People like this are the real problem. Money brings power, but it doesn't bring wisdom.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:22 PM
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71. Names to the unknown power that we knew
was behind the power structure to stop People's progress in the USA.

Thank you, babylonsister.

Thank Goodness we have Pres Obama and his crew on the job..mcpalin would be asking how high.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:46 PM
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72. Koch is a cult
I used to work for Koch. It's like a cult, with market-based management as their religion. The kind of country they want to build is one where everybody knows their place, with the majority being at the bottom.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:53 PM
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74. It's all fake opposition . . . r-w elites also created the r-w religious Fundi movement ....
Here in America --

And in Afghanistan - Middle East --

Same as the FreedomWorks/Teabaggers . . .

It's all a "reality" created by the right wing --

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:54 PM
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75. This is also why we have to re-regulate capitalism . . . and stop making our corp enemies rich...!!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:30 PM
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78. They're batshit crazy and also went after the Clintons. nt
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:50 PM
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81. The guillotine has seen classier necks than these hillbilly rednecks.
Living proof money does not have a lot to do with class.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:14 AM
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82. K & R !!!
:kick:
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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:31 AM
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83. What do you expect from BUSH in-laws and Bayh contributors?
The only other other corporatista who flies lower under the radar is Pete Peterson and his Blackstone outfit...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:07 PM
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92. I don't think they are Bush In-Laws
Edited on Fri Dec-11-09 04:08 PM by karynnj
If you mean GHWB's daughter, Dorothy, who is married to a Koch, he is not THOSE Koch and is even a Democrat per Wiki. Though they are evil.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:00 AM
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84. Nice find - Great investigative reporting by alternet. Too darn bad the MSM doesn't do that.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:08 AM
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88. HOW MUCH MONEY IS ENOUGH????
"Koch Industries has spent nearly $9 million dollars so far on direct lobbying"

GO FUCKING BUY AN ISLAND AND RETIRE ALREADY!!!! WHY THEY FUCK DO YOU HAVE TO KEEP ON GOING???
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:35 AM
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89. Ironic that; I remember thinking the same thing about cheney
when he was awarding all those contracts to Halliburton. What would be enough? I never did find out and still don't know.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:03 AM
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90. K&R
I hate these people. :grr:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:21 PM
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93. Great article.
We need to expose these guys.
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