What kind of change do you want?

[mix]

Poll question: What kind of change do you want?

[midnight]

1. Full employment......

[mix]

2. Yes, and way less poverty. 40 million people is too many.

one is too many

[vaberella]

4. We need Repubs to lose 4 seats and not gain any.

Then we can discuss that.

[LiberalFighter]

3. Sterilization of all Republican?

[denimgirly]

5. Campaign Finance Reform -- Congress is Broken.

Without Finance reform everything will be half-baked, or nothing that will genuinely benefit the people. It will always favor the special interests.
Google's head talked about this recently and admitted that congress was completely owned by lobbyists and he pittied the people because they were not aware that they're votes counted for nothing.

[mix]

7. That's change I can believe in, great points, thanks. nt

[GoCubsGo]

8. +1 -- for starters

Congress itself needs to be fixed, and campaign finance reform is just the tip of the iceberg. Congressional rules, especially in the Senate, need changing. No more "secret anonymous holds" on bills or appointments, and other such bullshit. Also, there needs to be reform to reduce the overinfluence of our corporate media. I think publicly-funded campaigns would be a great start there.

[Greyhound]

6. ..

[mix]

9. This is your issue Team Obama, chime in! nt

[Nancy Waterman]

10. End the filibuster and the individual hold

or at least make them severely time limited.

Also strong campaign finance reform

And a constitutional amendment that corporations are not people and don't have the rights of people: they can't vote, they don't have free speech.

[mkultra]

11. other: intelligent change.

[mix]

15. meaning? people might understand "intelligent" in different ways nt

[mkultra]

22. those people might be stupid then.

[mix]

23. Or they might not nt

[Aramchek]

12. I guess you should just vote Repuke. Then you can see how radical change can be.

:sarcasm:

[mix]

13. I've seen right-wing radical.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yz7jJwkhkwY/SKIdo7vcd2I/AAAAAAAAABo/Fw8v5NLIdyc/S1600-R/zombie+reagan.jpg
a neoliberal nightmare we're still living

[handmade34]

14. just to begin...

#1 campaign finance reform
housing for every single person that wants it
universal health care coverage
a job that pays a living wage for every person that wants one
a specific plan to replace our oil based energy system with solar, wind and ?
Thomas and Scalia to retire from the SCOTUS
priority to businesses that work in the United States for the United States people- and penalties for all those that don't
more affordable college education...
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[Arkana]

16. I want any modicum of change I can get in whatever area it can be gotten.

I don't turn down a sip of water in the desert because it's not Perrier.

[mix]

17. Nor table scraps it seems. nt

[boppers]

43. Table scraps are better than starvation.

How long did it take us to go from slavery to *full* racial equality?

Oh, wait.... we're at 145 years and *still* not there?

[mix]

44. There's that let them eat cake meme. nt

[boppers]

47. Table scraps are cake?

A brief history lesson:
The reason "let them eat cake" is famous is because the speaker was so disconnected from everyday reality that she didn't realize that people were starving because they couldn't get table scraps OR cake.

[mix]

48. .

edited for historical accuracy, there are too many conflicting accounts of this statement, to post with certainty what was actually said.

What ever the cake was, progressives and liberals have been thrown scraps as an after thought, as have most of the working and middle classes.

Table scraps can be cake, the crumbs our leaders have left for us. I guess we should be thankful.

[boppers]

49. Not everyone should be thankful. The rich are kind of grumpy.

Care to name a group which has not seen *any* change, or *any* scraps?

[proteus_lives]

18. Other-Realistic.

[mix]

19. "Realistic" is not a self-evident answer. nt

[ThomCat]

36. "Realistic" is a euphemism for "whatever the corporate lobbyists will allow."

:(

If that's all you want to accomplish, then you set your sights very low.

Many of us want to achieve more than the token table scraps corporate lobbyists are comfortable signing off on. We want real change that makes the lobbyists sweat.

[mix]

37. It astonishes and depresses me that many see "reality" and the "realistic"

as entirely obvious and clear propositions, when neoliberal ideology and politics filters everything, especially among those who accept the status quo in the White House and Congress to protect the interests of the oligarchs first. Not our schools, not our impoverished, not our unemployed and not our sick and infirm.

And when will the oil wars end? That is our "reality."

Disgraceful.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

20. Other: The kind that actually happens.

You know, like the changes we've been getting. The many, MANY changes we've been getting.

[mix]

21. The leaves are turning, the many many leaves, I'll give you that.

[opihimoimoi]

24. The change of awareness...from neg to pos

[mix]

25. 10% unemployment and 40 million in poverty, good luck.

Obama's fault alone? Of course not, but the neoliberalism that brought this about, lives on in his economic policies despite the tepid stimulus.

[opihimoimoi]

26. Cheer up...evolution works in varying speeds....this one is on slow...

[mix]

28. It's not evolution I am worried about.

It's the world humans have made for themselves thus far. That we can change. Evolution, not so much.

[opihimoimoi]

29. I was speaking of social evolution...sorry...

[mix]

30. Evolution is a poor model for social change.

The rhizome is more suggestive and nonlinear:

[opihimoimoi]

32. Yes...I unnerstan...but...both have a common denominator...diversity leading to survival

The GOP Species showing too many signs of Failure...

[mix]

35. Failure is the GOP's legacy since 1980,

so why cater to these fools? Aggressive vilification, not bipartisanship.

[opihimoimoi]

40. I do not advocate catering to the GOPers..rather, their demise...they are horrid BULLIES

[boppers]

45. Let me guess, you were taught linear evolution...

It was pretty popular for a while, after all.

The "tree" has been changing a bit in the last 20 years. It's starting to look much more mesh-like than previously thought.



More on interpretations at (wikipedia link that DU cannot handle):
http://tinyurl.com/a9nn7k

[mix]

46. Me? No, I just read too much post-war French philosophy. nt

[JoePhilly]

27. Pragmatic, realistic, doable ... that which can be built upon for the long term.

[yurbud]

31. to be fair, I would call the first option ''incremental'' since that's what it's advocates call it

but I still chose radical

[mix]

33. The glacial metaphor is passé anyway since most are melting quickly.

Incremental works for me.

[bigwillq]

34. The Hopey kind

:rofl:

[boppers]

38. I don't like blood in the streets.

Riots of thugs, political purges, and mass (or targeted) murder are too much for me, which is what I think of when I hear about "radical" change... Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Che.

I like my change a little more glacial: Massive, unstoppable, incremental, and non-violent.

[mix]

39. I too hope for your vision of change,

but violence and coercion are parts of our political culture and traditions, mainly because the American state keeps it so. I don't think you need to turn to your rogue's gallery of failed totalitarians to see this. Violence to intimidate and deny rights based on racial and cultural grounds is woven intricately into our country's fabric. So is the urge to fight back.

I am not advocating violence, but I do understand its causes in objective terms.

Democratic/representative institutions atrophy and oligarchs exploit and wage class war against the weak. At some point people will fight back as they are doing across Europe, Iceland being the latest example.

[boppers]

41. Unfortunately, the poll did not define terms.

For my semi-rogues gallery, our (US) neighbors to the south are pushing the envelope: Chavez, Morales, etc. (ALBA folks). They're pushing for change at incredible speeds, but there's a cost, and for some, the change is still not fast enough, and for others, it's too fast...

I will admit to being ignorant about Iceland, what's been going on there?

[mix]

42. here a link, nothing too crazy

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ikamLDTVrWkyqkkLOHx8a89nNPQA?docId=CNG.c41a43301a2a0ba462c063759615c08e.ad1

[boppers]

50. "400 homes will fall into foreclosure this year"

Wow. That's a lesson in scale.

[yurbud]

51. Did you ever notice that when the rich want something, this isn't even a question?

the choice is ''instantly'' or ''faster.''

[verges]

52. I like quarters and dimes. nt

[mix]

53. i need the copper brown uniformity of pennies nt