So I'm thinking it was all mapped out in 2008

[WeekendWarrior]

Hillary dropped out of the race with an agreement that she'd snatch the SOS job, then move into VP position in 2012. Winning combination, no doubt about it.

Biden agreed to only do one term.

I know, everybody's denying it all, but what better way to position Hillary for 2016?

EDITING TO SAY -- Okay, I GET it. She didn't "drop out." She just remained a pain in the ass until the very last moment.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. what does Biden get out of it?

:shrug:

[WeekendWarrior]

2. Keeping his party in power

and he retires a V.P. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. You might not...

I can see where Biden would however.

[WeekendWarrior]

15. You may well be right

But Biden doesn't strike me as a guy who gives that much of a shit. I think he's a great VP, but I don't see him as having a problem with dropping out.

Then again, I could be wrong.

[CJCRANE]

3. ...

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. Hillary didn't drop out. She stayed in until the last primary

[WeekendWarrior]

6. I think you get the idea. I mean, really? nt

[tabatha]

12. Hillary would not drop out

even after it was clear she had lost.

Remember, there was a lot of speculation that she knew something, and that is why she stayed in, even after the bitter end.

[liberal N proud]

5. Can we focus on the election at hand and not dwell on this idle shit?

It is a nice little diversion generated through the M$M to keep the Democrats occupied while the republiCONS finish their purported historic sweep into power to finish what that bu$h cheney cabal nearly completed in their reign of terror.

[WeekendWarrior]

9. If that's what you want to do, why are you even commenting?

Are you the thread police?

[liberal N proud]

11. To try and stop this idle shit

[WeekendWarrior]

14. You're objection makes no sense. Why don't you simply ignore the thread?

It is some kind of threat to you?

[liberal N proud]

18. I will put you on ignore

[WeekendWarrior]

24. Whatever makes you happy. Sorry if I offended you by speculating.

..............

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. +1

[Ozymanithrax]

7. Or it is just another silly rumor...

Hillary did not drop out of the race. She lost.

[WeekendWarrior]

13. Could be a rumor, sure

And -- okay -- she didn't DROP out. But she made a lot of noise when she lost and could have not played along. Are you forgetting all that?

Anyway, silly rumors in Washington often have a way of turning out to be true.

[Ozymanithrax]

16. For the good of the Party she did not play a Reagan Pouty Puffer...

as he did when he ran against Ford and lost a primary.

If she intended that route, she could have run as Vice President in 2008, rather than come up with some long and convoluted way of getting her into the white house.

I don't buy it.

[WeekendWarrior]

20. Good point but

I think she a) really wanted to be president at the time and wasn't ready to play second fiddle just then; and b) her being on the ticket would have taken some of the spotlight from Obama and his message.

I don't remember exactly when McCain announced his VP, but imagine what that would have turned into if Hillary was VP candidate then as well. Obama and McCain would have been lost in the media frenzy over two women facing off.

[Ozymanithrax]

32. McCain announced his VP by surprise on August 28.

The Democratic Convention was August 25th to August 28th. Many thought McCain nominated Palin for two reasons: (1) to shore up his base among Evangelical Christians that detested McCain; and (2) to get all those women who voted for Hillary to vote for a woman Republican. With Hillary as VP, McCain would have chosen another strategy. There was a lot of disappointment by Hillary's followers that Fox and the Right wing talking heads tried to use to drive a wedge into the electorate, but she worked hard to get Obama elected.

Yes, I think Hillary wanted to be President. There is no other reason for her to put herself through that kind of torture if she didn't want it.

But the whole Biden will change to SOS and Hillary run as VP is too convoluted.

[WeekendWarrior]

17. Wow, why the hostility here?

I really don't get some of you people. I'm merely opening a discussion and you'd think I shot somebody.

[CJCRANE]

19. Where's your evidence

for this theory?

It's a nice enoungh theory but I think Occam's Razor applies in this case.

[WeekendWarrior]

22. We have to present evidence, now?

I wasn't aware of that rule. Yes, it's just a theory and you may well be right.

Obviously, I'm just speculating based on the rumors we've been hearing.

[CJCRANE]

28. It helps to have evidence, quotes, links or inside knowledge

if you want to persuade others to believe you.

I like speculation, gossip, rumors, hunches etc. as much as the next person but it doesn't make for much a discussion if that's all it's based on.

[WeekendWarrior]

31. Really?

I'm speculating, that's all. A springboard for discussion, not flame bait.

I'm probably as guilty as the next guy for getting riled up, but is it impossible to have a CIVIL discussion around here?

If you don't agree, just say so. If you don't like the thread, don't participate.

[ieoeja]

34. Because the GOP, and that very small number of actual PUMAs, do this routinely in an effort to drive

... a wedge between Democrats. It keeps failing. But Rightists are persistent.

99% of DUers reading this thread believe you are probably a Rightwing troll.

[HughMoran]

21. I'm not hostile to the idea

I don't know and don't care to speculate, but I would be happy in either case.

[WeekendWarrior]

23. So would I.

I just think it makes an interesting scenario. And I honestly don't think any of the stuff that goes on in Washington is random.

[AtomicKitten]

25. Your theory is pure delusional fiction.

Dropped out? LOL. She lost and even then wouldn't concede.

You apparently missed yesterday's discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=466711&mesg_id=466711

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=467290&mesg_id=467290

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x467191

[displacedvermoter]

26. You still angry?

[AtomicKitten]

30. So, did the "LOL" tip you off?

:rofl:

[Lord Helmet]

35. You still impotent?

[AtomicKitten]

37. !

:rofl:

[CakeGrrl]

27. Why would she need to be "positioned"?

Her most ardent supporters claim that she was better qualified in the first place. If she wants to run in 2016, she can just do it, and presumably her support base will be at the ready.

As someone else already pointed out, the last VP in recent years to assume the mantle (excluding the exceptional resignation of Nixon) was GHWB, and he was a one-termer.

[WeekendWarrior]

29. Except you're forgetting

that Gore would have been president if it hadn't been for election fraud in Florida and Cheney chose not to run.

[CakeGrrl]

33. But aside from VP history, why would she need a lead-in?

Why would or should they change up? She still wouldn't be President, and what would she gain over and above the cachet of SoS that she has now?

She doesn't get an automatic shoo-in for President. She still has to run and be elected whether she's VP or not. I just don't see this as being necessary except to appease those who thought she "deserved" something for the wins she racked up in the primaries.

[Lord Helmet]

36. this is a lame distraction

[Beacool]

38. Why would Hillary want to be Obama's VP?

If she does choose to run in 2016 she doesn't need to be his VP. She has more than enough credentials to run in her own right. Heck, she had them in 2008, let alone now that she's SOS.

As for the primaries, why would she have dropped out when after February she won most of them? Too bad if some didn't like it.