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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 07:52 AM
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Joe Klein: Ignorance as Authenticity
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 07:53 AM by babylonsister
Ignorance as Authenticity
Posted by Joe Klein
Thursday, October 14, 2010 at 5:51 pm



I was struck by this comment by a voter in today's New York Times account of last night's U.S. Senate debate in Delaware:

While Mr. Coons had broader range on issues and current events, he sometimes seemed mean-spirited. When Ms. O'Donnell asked whether a company he was connected to would benefit from the clean energy bill, he scoffed, “It was difficult for me to understand from her question what she was talking about.”

That could just serve to reinforce Ms. O'Donnell's image, which has had deep resonance this election season — that of an ordinary person trying to bring common sense to Washington.

That appealed to Alexandra Gawel, 23, a sociology major at the university who has worked her way through college as a waitress.

“She is someone I can relate to,” Ms. Gawel said, outside the debate hall in the late afternoon. “She's not had everything handed to her.”


This is a classic American myth, perpetrated by Hollywood, starting with Mr. Smith Goes to Washington--and it's a lovely fantasy. Mr. Smith was an inspired amateur. He followed the news and astonished his local oligarch puppet-master by actually reading the bills he was about to vote on, then making up his own mind. He was part of a generation that took citizenship seriously and kept itself informed--even the "average" folks, our grandparents, who came home from work on the assembly line and read the evening newspaper (which actually had news in it, unlike the crapola sensationalism that passes for news on cable TV). I'd take a couple of average citizens like that in the Senate anytime, especially if they made the effort to learn the issues once they got there.

But Christine O'Donnell is not like that. She is attractive, to some, because she doesn't know anything. She couldn't name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with, not even Roe v. Wade. There is no way she could ever be confused with a member of the elites; there is no way she could be confused with an above average high school student. Her ignorance, therefore, makes her authentic--the holy grail of latter-day American politics: she's a real person, not like those phony politicians. In that sense, she--and the lifeboat filled with other Tea Party know-nothings--follow in the wake of our leading exemplar of ignorant authenticity, Sarah Palin (who seems every bit as unaware of public policy--she certainly never talks about it--as she was when a desperate and petulant John McCain chose her to be his running mate).

There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts. It is a society that no longer takes itself seriously. This is not a complaint about the current Republican tide, by the way: that's part of the natural flow of political life, a result of the economy and the President's abstruse brand of politics. I'll welcome the arrival in Washington of smart Republicans like Ohio's Rob Portman; I won't welcome an ideologue like Rand Paul, but at least he's done some thinking about what constitutes good public policy (although his notion of such is puerile and ultimately fatal to a democracy). A businesswoman like Carly Fiorina certainly has the qualifications to be a Senator, even if you disagree with her politics. Christine O'Donnell does not, nor does Sharron Angle, nor does Ron Johnson in Wisconsin; nor does Carl Paladino have the qualifications to be governor of New York.

more...

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/10/14/ignorance-as-authenticity/
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:07 AM
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1. "There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses
and disdains its experts. It is a society that no longer takes itself seriously."

We can all agree with that line.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:20 AM
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3. "There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses"
you can thank FOX News for that!
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:11 AM
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2. Americans are profoundly stupid
And the ignorant deserve everything they are going to get.

The rest of us will suffer but apparently we can't do anything about it.

I do not feel sorry for anyone who gets screwed because they voted for teabaggers. They can go to hell for all I care.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:25 AM
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5. Only the point ...
which is where we in fact are now, that the ills these people point at were created BY the people they support and they hate the people who try to clean it up ...

There is no epiphany at hand, these people are meaner and even less concerned with reality and intellectual honesty now than they were before, and they were pretty much devoid of it already ...

I guess the point is, the cycle will repeat ... As much damage as these clowns are going to create, they not be held accountable for it, the evil liberal will be blamed and somehow they will find even more battier lunatics to try to push into DC ...
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:28 AM
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15. What are you saying?
You don't care what happens to you anymore, you give up? You don't care what happens to anyone else anymore, you give up there too? You're taking your ball and going home?

Where, pray tell, can you go to get away from this? Are you an expatriate?
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:23 AM
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4. Why do people want to elect idiots they can 'relate to' ?
I mean, really, if you're an idiot, or say, someone who barely made a C- or a D in class, and you never went to Junior College, and you have a job as a cashier in a company that squelches all attempts for you to organize a union so you can get paid more than minimum wage and get a few benefits, do you really want to hire someone just like you?

And if you really are a sociology major how do you relate to Christine O'Donnell? Aren't sociologists people who want to help the downtrodden and needy?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:11 AM
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6. Republicans have been "dumbing down" our society for decades
whether they intended to do so or not.

Anti-intellectualism.

Making fun of the educated.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:20 AM
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12. oh yeah ...
they intend it, make no mistakes ...

Klein's highlighted statement is painful in its brutal honesty ...

2000 election featured a highly capable and decent man vs a superficial incompetent ...

The MSM GLADLY championed the republican meme that you should vote for the guy would want to have a beer with ...

We reeped the damage of that decision, managed to elect a highly intelligent, highly decent, highly capable president and a lot of good dems, and within two years have the likes of Angle and O'Donnell one election day from being among the most powerful 100 or so people in the country, not to mention a bus load of lunatics governor and representative candidates ...
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Jbowers Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:18 AM
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7. GDP cheers column slamming those who "disdain experts" yet we trash Nate Silver
Because he says things we don't wanna hear. The irony!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:11 AM
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9. Welcome friend
I am sure if you read a recent thread on that topic you would have seen we don't march in lockstep around here. I hope you are here to do more than just slam DU in a thread that is meant to discuss the extreme tea party candidates. Of course there is always free delivered tombstone pizza available if that is what you are looking for.
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:51 PM
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16. I agree with you
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:01 AM
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8. China made anti-intelligence it's official policy from 1949 to 1976.
The Cultural Revolution was all about preventing intelligent people from gaining power or being productive.


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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:15 AM
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10. You confuse intelligence and education.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:16 AM
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11. delete - Misread the text.
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 10:23 AM by Mass
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:21 AM
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13. How did you get bliss out of that? I didn't. nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:23 AM
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14. Oops, my bad. I thought the excerpt was something Joe Klein's.
I totally misread it.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:58 PM
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17. I am getting my PhD in public policy this May. I
cannot even get my own republican family to take me seriously. They just scoff at things I tell them and now they will not even acknowledge that I am graduating. They think the universities are ruining society and they trust no research coming from them. I just do not get it. I sometimes see it on the left too though -- the image of the greatness of the "average Joe."
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:14 PM
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18. Call me crazy, but I think reality TV has a lot to do with this....
Every night millions watch the trumped up antics of people they wouldn't give the time of day to in real life because it's on TV. Talent and charisma are no longer required for stardom, just exposure. We've become a nation of voyeurs, and voyeurs with low standards to boot.

"It is a society that no longer takes itself seriously". Amen to that, Klein.
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