November 3rd, Karl Rove Will Quietly Begin the Jeb Bush 2012 Campaign.

[David Zephyr]

The GOP race for the 2012 Presidential Nomination begins in earnest on November 3rd. And, Karl Rove already has his candidate: it's Jeb Bush. The same money, the same players and the same powerful and entrenched political machine that has bedeviled this nation for decades did not just go away. They are still there and ready and "fired up" to take back the country that they believe they deserve to govern. Count on it.

Mitt Romney: Does anyone really think that Mitt, who stumbled because of his Mormonism in 2008 will somehow get a free pass from the evangelicals on his religion? Well, don't believe it.

Sarah Palin? Well, Mr Rove began taking care of the Palin Problem this week just as Palin was making her way to the starting gate. Rove clearly 'telegraphed his punch' in the UK Daily Telegraph with his non-nuanced comment that Sarah Palin lacks the "gravitas" to be President of the United States. Yep, he first damned her with faint praise and then he damned her. She's about to be cleared off the dancing floor like her daughter.

Newt Gingrich? Please that old adulterer is only popular within his own mind and because Fox News lets him think he is. And he's no fan within the phony tea party crowd either. He will line up with pompoms and a megaphone for Jeb when the time is right.

Mike Huckabee? He's already said that Jeb Bush would make a good president. Wonder who he's been talking with? Tim Pawlenty? Please spare me.

Jeb helps nail down the Florida electoral votes in the electoral calculus. And he actually does speak Spanish, unlike his stupid older brother. Jeb will let the House Republicans do the dirty work against Obama while he keeps his hands clean.

And, of course, Rush Limbaugh of Palm Beach, will begin the chipping away of all potential rivals to his good buddy, Jeb. Limbaugh will begin herding the sheep exactly where he needs them, all the while pretending to be "neutral" as long as he can. But Rush and his new bride already have the invitation to stay overnight at the White House when Jeb gets there.

The Bush family since the 1940's have had their fingerprints rubbing against the White House. First covertly with Prescott Bush, later more overtly with his son, George H., and grandson, George W. And all those years, this highly disciplined family dynasty has always had its team ready to play ball. Their team runs the full gamut from its first string players like James Baker, Saudi "princes", U.S. oil men, and Defense Contractors all the way down to its more lowly provocateurs like Gordon Liddy and Lee Atwater. And of course, their friendly media moguls that control radio, print and television news, are ready at Mr. Rove's nod to begin the mantra, to put on the record and watch the people dance.

And of course, most telling, is that, George Herbert Walker Bush, the current Bush Patriarch himself told Fox that his son, Jeb, "is as qualified and as able as anyone I know in the political scene" to be president. And more importantly, the Godfather has made it clear, "I'd like to see him run. I'd like to see him be president some day."

November 3rd. Karl Rove will give the order to surface his political submarines. Mark your 2012 Mayan Calendars. And bookmark this Post. It will be Jeb Bush against Barack Obama.

Obama can and will handily win the popular vote in 2012, but then...so did Albert Gore and John Kerry in 2000 and 2004.

[Botany]

1. my guess is that it will be mike pence he is the one to fear

the bush name will still be toxic.

[Lasher]

6. Jeb will just change his unpopular last name so nobody will notice he's a Bush.

It seems to be working for teabaggers.

[olegramps]

61. The return of the PNAC neo-cons and their world conquest policies.

[derby378]

2. Nah, Sister Sarah ain't gonna let that happen

The Bushes are old and busted. Sarah is the new hotness. :silly:

[David Zephyr]

4. Read this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/us-politics/8090279/Karl-Rove-questions-Sarah-Palins-suitability-for-president.html

[derby378]

9. That'll cost him a seat on Sarah's cabinet

I'm not surprised at all he's saying this. I think the Palin/Bush primary could get as ugly as the Obama/Clinton primary did.

[Ter]

50. Rove is a neo-con, like Bush and Cheney

Palin, Joe Miller, Christine O'Donnell, Ron and Rand Paul, all are not. They are Tea Baggers. Despite what many may think, Rove is not a Tea Bagger, he's a One Worlder.

[golfguru]

25. Sarah Palin has little chance of winning nomination

and even much smaller chance of winning in general.

[derby378]

40. I want to see her run, anyway

It'll gum up the GOP primary if nothing else, and that's a good thing.

[ChiciB1]

45. JEBBY Will Chomp Into Her Ass & EAT IT UP! You Don't Know What Kind

of MACHINE Jebby has going on down here in Florida! Jebby already said he wasn't running, but HE LIES, and his FIRST step is to get Marco Rubio elected.

BEWARE, THE BUSHIES ARE NOT DEAD! NO WAY...

[Ter]

51. Doubt it

Tea has taken over the primaries, and they are not fond of Bushes.

[midnight]

3. I truely hope this will not be the case....

[Xipe Totec]

5. LOL!

Jeb is the smart one.

No fucking way he's going to go against Obama in 2012.

The moron that's going to try is Sarah Palin; the sacrificial ham.

We'll see Jeb in 2016.

[babylonsister]

8. rofl! "the sacrificial ham" . That's it exactly! nt

[David Zephyr]

14. You overlook that Gore & Kerry won in 2000 & 2004. These people steal elections.

But then there was Florida and Ohio.

Just bookmark my post.

[Xipe Totec]

39. I don't think so; the last incumbent president to lose an election was George H W Bush nt

Al Gore was not the incumbent.

Whether they steal elections or not, and I'm not saying one way or the other, trying to win with Palin as standard bearer is just that much harder.

[politicasista]

46. +1

People will say that Gore "won", but Kerry "lost" cause of ABEF (Anything But Election Fraud). Go figure.

[Blasphemer]

41. I agree. They know they need more distance between Bush II and Bush III.... nt

[Clio the Leo]

7. The President is going to have to get a lot more unpopular in four months time..

.... for that to happen. Jeb and Karl are too smart to run in 2012 ... 2016 on the other hand...

[OhioBlue]

10. I agree completely.

My first thought when I heard Rove's comment was that the Primary just began and he's with Jeb.

[David Zephyr]

15. Your antennae is a good one, OhioBlue.

Rove, along with Limbaugh, will now begin preparing the way by clearing the dance floor.

[Blue Owl]

11. If the Democrats really wanted to play serious chess

They'd start exposing Bu$hCo for the hideous criminals they are. And maybe get Rove in jail, so he can't take the country back to the cesspool.

[David Zephyr]

16. +1000

Had Pelosi held hearing on the War in Iraq, had the House Democrat used the subpoena power, the mid-terms would not be such a challenge right now.

Your post is spot on the mark, Blue Owl.

[Cosmocat]

57. Nonsense ...

it would be the same, or worse ...

The Rs would play the outraged victim role, wailing about how with the economy in the pits the Ds went on witchhunts instead of focusing on the economy, and the MSM would have been behind that 1000 percent ...

Christ, the dems DID focus on the economy and they are getting killed for improving it ever so slightly ...

If the Rs/MSM had hearings about Bush to be all indignant about to show while railing about the economy ...

Somehow, people here seriously do not get how in bed the MSM is with the Rs ...

[Lil Missy]

12. gw ruined any chance jeb had of being president. it won't happen.

[struggle4progress]

26. I think so, too: "Give the Family Another Chance" won't fly

[Lugnut]

29. I think you're right.

I don't hear any GOP candidates singing the praises of GWB.

[Cosmocat]

58. cause, in TWO YEARS since Jr. ...

has been out of office, the Rs are not set to make MAJOR gains in both chambers of congress ...

Again, it is stunning how people in DU completely don't get how much the MSM will drive the narrative for the Rs ...

Jesus, they painted Jr. as a friggen OUTSIDER in 2000 ...

If Jeb and powers to be want him to make a run, the MSM will GLEEFULLY clear the path with whatever nonsense the Rs come up with to clear the path for him ...

[Synnical]

13. Interesting Analysis. Thanks.

Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

[David Zephyr]

31. Well, you are there in Fort Lauderdale.

So, you know are familiar with Jeb Bush more than the rest of us. The thing for Jeb is that he can let Karl Rover clear the road for him by eliminating all other potential candidates and let Jeb be the natural "choice" and also give him time to pick Condi Rice as his VP if Barack does take Hillary as VP or he can go with Rubio (should he win) and therein take away Latino votes.

The Bush machine is not going to just let the voters within the primaries willy nilly choose who will be the nominee. It will be Jeb.

[LeftyAndProud60]

17. I honestly don't believe Jeb want it. Fear Rubio. NT

[Mojorabbit]

19. I agree. nt

[golfguru]

22. Do not fear Rubio in 2012. Earliest he runs is in 2016

if Obama gets 2nd term. If Obama loses in 2012,
Rubio runs in 2020.

[COLGATE4]

62. Yeah, but he's perfect for VP candidate in 2012!

[Marsala]

18. Jeb didn't even run for Senate

He could have had that seat fairly easily but didn't bother to try. His political ambitions are history thanks to his brother.

[David Zephyr]

27. The Senate would have been a step down.

He will run, but first Karl Rove has to clear the deck of the competition which will take a few months. He started with Sarah Palin this week.

[Marsala]

67. I'll start worrying when he goes after Romney

Palin is the equivalent of O'Donnell. Rove doesn't want her anywhere near the nomination in case the unthinkable happens again and saddles the Republicans with a totally unelectable candidate.

[Dinger]

20. Wow, KKKarl and dumbass must have broke up

I thought he had the hots for georgie?

[golfguru]

21. Is Jeb married to a Hispanic woman?

[krawhitham]

24. yes

[krawhitham]

23. Unless Jeb changes his last name he stands no chance

[R. P. McMurphy]

28. Very scary. I hope you are not right but I fear you are. n/t

[David Zephyr]

34. Obama can defeat Jeb, but then they are one tricky family.

Rove has a candidate already for 2012. It's Jeb.

[kentuck]

30. One would think that after two Bushes, that would be enough for everyone?

As Jesse Jackson used to say, "Stay outta da Bushes!" :-)

[David Zephyr]

33. Between 1981 and 2009, the Bushes were in Executive power 20 of 28 years.

And Richard Nixon was a protoge of Prescott Bush (8 years as VP and almost 8 years as Prez).

They don't just go away when they have so many levers at their hands.

Jesse had it right: Stay out of the Bushes. I had forgotten that. :)

[Lyric]

32. I swear to god, I will commit seppuku with a SPOON before I ever live under another BUSH.

:puke:

Hey England--do you offer political asylum to Democrats yet? Canada's too cold and the beer there is just awful. :P

[JCMach1]

35. for the VP nomination... which is the setup for 2016

[tomm2thumbs]

36. slogan - 'Bush: No really, the 3rd times the charm!'

(vomiting profusely)

[davidpdx]

37. Very interesting David

I'm going to email this to a friend of mine who is a coworker of mine and see what he says. He said that Palin is just in it for the money and has no interest in running for president.

[David Zephyr]

53. The Bush family and their machine want the juice back.

Thanks, davidpdx. :)

[Hekate]

38. Interesting analysis. Now where did I leave my passport?

:hide:

[sally cat]

42. He surely knows another Bush cannot get elected in this country.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I Agree With Everything You Said But He Won't Have To Steal The Election

I agree with everything you said but he won't have to steal the election if unemployment is still hovering around ten percent in 2012.

[Aramchek]

44. no Bush will be elected until Generation Y is dead and buried

bank on it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Americans Have Short Memories

George Bush came roaring back in 00 or at least made the election close enough to steal after Bush Pere received the smallest popular vote percentage for a major party candidate in the history of the republic just eight years earlier.

All John Ellis Bush needs to do is do as well as George Bush did among whites and African Americans in 2000 which among African Americans was not very well at all (5-7%) and get the same amount of Latino voters which was anywhere between thirty five and forty percent. This shouldn't be hard for a man with a Colombian wife, children of that mixed partnership, and who speaks idiomatic Spanish and has studiously avoided, to his credit, the hateful attitudes of his party toward Hispanics.

"Misunderestimate" him at your peril.

[Aramchek]

65. I will bet you $100 that Jeb Bush is not elected President in 2012. You up for it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. I'll Do It

But I know you don't want to take advantage of a fellow DUER so you will give me the established odds which are 20-1, the same odds any gambler, which you appear or aspire to be, would give to another gambler.

http://www.1800-sports.com/presidential-betting-odds.shtml

Please private message me to work out the logistics.


on edit- I really don't like to have vested interests in outcomes I don't like or want to happen; especially when the outcomes are as important as this. So, if you agree we can donate our winnings to the charity of the other's choice.

[Aramchek]

70. if you really believe what you say, why do you need odds?

We can make this a DU donation so nobody profits.

I just want to see if you will put your money where your mouth is.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. .

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[Cosmocat]

59. AGAIN, how do people in DU ...

underestimate the power and willingness of the MSM to do the Rs bidding ...

Jesus, they painted Jr. as a friggen OUTSIDER in 2000 ...

Whatever nonsensical narrative the Rs come up with if they want to give Jeb a go, the MSM will drive it ...

[ShadowLiberal]

47. I don't think the country is ready for another Bush, failure/success runs in the family

2012 is too soon, people will still remember the other Bush ruining our economy and dividing the country. Jeb Bush supporting similar policies as his brother will be easy fodder for the economy. Also don't be so sure that speaking Spanish is a net plus for Jeb, he's going to have to get on record about immigration reform, and that'll either kill him in a primary with the anti-immigrant bigots, or turn Hispanics against him for betraying them.

Also, take a look at the presidents who were related to each other, you'll find that their success and failure in presidential ranking is closely linked.

-We had two Adams as president, John Adams and his son John Quincy Adams, both were 1 term presidents who weren't that great or that popular

-We had two Roosevelts as presidents, Theodore Roosevelt, and his grandson Franklin Roosevelt, both are regularly ranked in the top 5 in lists of best presidents, or at the very least top 10. Both were very popular in their times.

-We've had two Bushes as president, father and son. The father left office after being kicked out after 1 term, he was largely considered a failure and not a worthy successor to Reagan. The son won reelection by the smallest margin ever by a republican president who still won reelection. The son is blamed for a lot of failures, such as Iraq and the Great Recession. Historians looking at W. Bush don't see a lot that he did that could become successes overtime to remake his reputation very much. Neither Bush are very popular today.

[mentalsolstice]

60. Theodore and Franklin were 5th cousins.

Just sayin'! :hi:

[kentuck]

48. I think you are right...

That is why he is trying so hard to tear down Sarah Palin. She could spoil the whole show.

[David Zephyr]

52. Rove has a candidate and it's none of the touted candidates.

His broadside one week before the 2012 race begins was revealing. He a Bush machine guy. It's Jeb.

They will make it look like it's a Draft Jeb movement by the time Karl has wiped the floor with any of his potential competition.

[TBF]

49. I think they will wait for George P. Bush -

doubtful people would vote for Jeb so soon after W's fall from grace. I expect Romney to be a contender - the old guard likes him.

[Douglas Carpenter]

54. in raw strategic calculations - Jeb Bush is probably their best bet

He is about the only one who might have the ability to fire up the base of the Republican Party (the crazies) - while not appearing either too extreme or too fundamentalist like Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin or too boring like Mitt Romney.

He would probably be about the only one I have heard of so far who could satisfy the lunatic base without completely alienating GOP-leaning independents and country club Republicans.

He does have the image as the nicer and smarter Bush which would lessen the negative impact of potential GOP voters who came to dislike and distrust George W. while at the same time sharing the name with a President who is still wildly popular with the fundamentalist and social conservative base. Frankly, politically speaking I think that he would benefit from most of the political advantages of the Bush name and attract little of its disadvantages. This has nothing to do with the real Jeb Bush - this has to do with commonly held perceptions. He doesn't need to appeal to 55% of the voters. He only needs to pass the psychological litmus test enough to make winning the election reasonably plausible. I think it would be difficult for any Republican candidate to both satisfy the nutty base of today's Republican Party and to also appeal to enough independents to form an electoral majority. It would be difficult to impossible for Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin to do that even if they might have the ability to win the party's nomination. Mitt Romney might be able to win a general election. But I do not think he could win the Republican Party nomination, given the way the party is configured today. I suspect Jeb Bush is the one who could quite plausibly win both the nomination and the general election - not that I want that to happen, of course.

.

[old mark]

55. I believe Chris Matthews will start talking up Palin and or Bush in a week or so.

Matthews is like a Fox spy on MSNBC. His program is offensive and not worth watching.

mark

[maryellen99]

63. They say

that Romney wouldn't get the nomination because the fundies would not accept him being Mormon but if I remember they are still pissed at Jeb Bush for not doing enough in the Terry Schivao case?

[de novo]

64. That will never happen. There will never be another bush president.

I doubt he'll ever even run.

[backscatter712]

66. After eight years of Beast Rabban, they're trying Feyd Rautha! n/t

[wmbrew0206]

69. Very doubtful that Jeb will run for several reasons.

1. His wife is f-ing crazy. Jeb's wife is not what you would call first lady material. She has done some things in the past that would not play well nationally.

2. His daughter. Jeb's daughter has had some serious drug problems and has been to rehab. I am not sure what her status is now but I don't think Jeb would want to put her under national scrutiny by running.

I don't think Jeb wants to put his family through the ringer that a POTUS run requires.


3. Several Bush family candidates will be in the race. Mitch Daniels is a Bush guy and will probably their candidate in '12. Then you have Rubio, who Jeb has groomed, ready to run in '16. This will allow Jeb to have all the influence with none of the hassle that goes along with being POTUS.

[paparush]

72. Are you joking? G.W. Bush was a cokehead. His wife killed a guy in a DWI.

His daughters were throw-down party animals with pics splashed all over the tabloids.

And 30% of Murkins didn't give a rat's ass.

[wmbrew0206]

76. Jeb is not his brother.

He has a pretty sweet gig going now and I am not sure he really wants to go through the year and a half long election cycle to get elected. He'll let Rubio do that and then be his principal adviser.

[paparush]

71. Great line on "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me" this past weekend...

Peter Sagal, commenting on the Texas Rangers making the world series...

"... the Texas Rangers, a team once owned by George W. Bush. After several years of losing records and disastrous financial losses G.W. sold the team in 1998 proving it takes at least 12 years to get over Bush."

[Joanne98]

73. And Rubio as VP!

[budkin]

74. Good luck with that.