i'm so very disappoint with rep Kucinich

[nmbluesky]

I don't know why Rep. Kucinch called Obama Impeach now then He didn't call Bush impeach for Iraq and Afghan. President Bush did broke the law. He didn't follow UN and other country.

I know Kucinch is a liberal, but I'm so upset that He called him Obama impeach, because of Libya.

[vaberella]

1. I consider Kucinich a jerk. Are you sure he didn't call for Bush's impeachment?!

If he did not---the man is therefore the king of bastards. I need proof that he didn't call for impeachment. Because seriously---then I will have major issues with the man.

[nmbluesky]

4. I wish I would remember if he did..

Let me looking on internet if he really did call impeachment to Bush..
I hope you prove me wrong..

[vaberella]

10. I hope you prove yourself wrong---my hate level is increasing! (Well for Kucinich).

:D

[razorman]

17. As I recall, he did call for Bush's impeachment, but he waited

until his term was nearly over. As far as I am concerned, there is no more reason to go to war in Libya than there was in Iraq. Impeachment, though? That's ridiculous.

[ThomCat]

25. You think anyone is a jerk who stands up and acts like a real democrat.

Especially if they don't get down on their knees in front of holy images of Obama.

:eyes:

DK did call for impeachment of Bush. But then that's not good enough. Then he didn't do it soon enough. Keep moving those goal posts. Just admit that you'll never decide to like him because he's trying to hold Obama to real democratic standards.

A real democrat doesn't go around acting like a bloody warmonger, fighting 3 different wars at the same time, none of which are justified, while slashing needed domestic spending everywhere but for corporations because the nation is in such a dire economic situation.

It's hypocrisy all around. If we can't afford economic programs then we can't afford a these wars. If we can't justify these wars (and we can't, according to the majority of Americans) then we shouldn't be fighting the first two, much less adding a third.

And attacking one of the few people in congress who is willing to strongly say so publicly says more about you than your hatred of him will ever say about him.

[vaberella]

26. Soon enough?

He took 7 years, Obama? A few hours. I don't know how you consider it a goalpost move when 7 years doesn't compare to a few hours.

In any event...you don't know me to know what I think---so I'd appreciate you check yourself. I don't know what a "real democrat" is---you're sounding like the "other" extreme of the right with their "real America"....when I hear that shit I tune people out because they sound like idiots.

As for it saying about me...maybe it does. You seem to have read a great deal into who I am and what I'm about.

[ThomCat]

27. You think I sound like someone from the right?

You're the one who supports a politician regardless of his policies just because of who he is. That's a republican trait.

You support 3 wars now. Supporting warmongering is republican trait.

:eyes:

I'm not the one that looks or sounds like part of the right wing here.

[vaberella]

28. I didn't say that...I said your "real Democrat" shit---mirrors the same calls from the Left though.

But it's whatever. Democrats are made up of a lot of different people with a lot of different backgrounds and priorities. So this idea of a "real" is a bit ridiculous. Please, I never stated I supported this. As a matter of fact---I've continuously stated I do not support it. You can even do a search on DU and majority of my posts is either giving facts on this situation and the other half is saying how much I DO NOT agree with this move. That goes to show how much you know about me and what I am thinking. I hate people who claim to know everything about me and where I stand.

However, even if I do not support this measure. I like to have the facts behind it before I run around making claims--that have found to be false as in the case with Kucinich. I especially like having the facts when there is something I don't like. Despite this being CONSTITUTIONAL, I still don't like it. But whatever...I already think your statements are BS anyway.

[AnOhioan]

30. +1

[vaberella]

42. Do you personally know me as well? n/t

[cali]

43. He didn't call for impeaching bush until bush's 2nd term was almost over

but he isn't calling for Obama's impeachment. I like Dennis but I thing the talk of impeachment is silly.

[arcane1]

2. Yeah, this hasn't exactly thrilled me either, but:

He did call for Bush's impeachment: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-11/politics/kucinich.impeach_1_impeach-kucinich-resolution


This action certainly doesn't seem to be making the situation any better, that's for sure. That being said, I'm not going to use this to discredit his entire career. I don't agree with anyone 100% :(

[nmbluesky]

6. Thanks for read this.

I almost forget about this..
but He called him impeachment in 2008 when Bush's final year.
why not he plan impeachment for Bush in 2003 not 2008.
you know what i mean..

[ReggieVeggie]

3. Holy crap! And he didn't call for impeachment!

READ before you judge.

[David__77]

5. He didn't call for impeachment.

And of course he DID call for Bush's impeachment.

[ReggieVeggie]

7. Kucinich called for Bush's impeachment

it was other Democrats too beholden to the establishment and their own complicity who did NOT call for Bush's impeachment

Kucinich introduces Bush impeachment resolution

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a former Democratic presidential
candidate from Ohio, introduced a resolution to impeach President Bush into
the House of Representatives on Tuesday.

Kucinich announced his intention to seek Bush's impeachment Monday night,
when he read the lengthy document into the...

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach/

[nmbluesky]

9. why 2008.. why not in 2003

why did He waited till 2008, because of Bush's final year..

[vaberella]

11. In JUNE of 2008? we were in the war for 7 years and he calls when Bush has 6 months left?!

You've got to be kidding me. Seriously. Obama sent ships to help Libya and he calls impeachment within hours. He waits 7 years for Bush...tell me he was calling impeachment before that....please tell me that?!

[ReggieVeggie]

34. Was he king of the universe?

I guess I missed that. At least Kucinich tried. What's every other Democrat's excuse?

[asphalt.jungle]

12. then he should offer obama the same courtesy and wait until june 2016.

it's only fair

[ReggieVeggie]

35. I didn't realize Kucinich called for impeachment

maybe that's your problem

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[LaurenG]

14. Kucinich is a good man. I love him, he's my kind of democrat but

I don't think Obama needs to be impeached.

[NorthCarolina]

16. Did he say he "could" be impeached for not consulting Congress, or that he "should"

be impeached for not consulting Congress? I believe he said "could", which is factually a true statement. Of course, far be it from me to squash the fun of the anti-Liberal crowd in falsely attacking their favorite Liberal target.

[LaurenG]

21. on edit I just found what he said

"And I'm raising the question as to whether or not it's an impeachable offense. It would appear on its face to be an impeachable offense," Kucinich said. "Now, it doesn't necessarily follow that simply because a president has committed an impeachable offense, that the process should start to impeach and remove him. That's a whole separate question. But we have to clearly understand what this Constitution is about."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=634729&mesg_id=634729

[nmbluesky]

8. but look at crazy Qadhafi who murdered his own people....

also International Criminal Court investigates Libya violence in response to UN request
http://www.democratsforprogress.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4066

[yourout]

24. Sounds like the argument we heard before Iraq.

[CakeGrrl]

15. He's an idiot. You don't feed red meat to impeachment-happy Repubs/Teabaggers.

[FrenchieCat]

18. You do if you don't give a shit, and having a voice saying something

is what is most important.

[madinmaryland]

20. You agree with what Kucinich has said?

[FrenchieCat]

22. Naw......

[MH1]

23. yep, what you said.

can't say I'm much surprised. Kucinich isn't known for his calm rationality.

[madinmaryland]

19. I'm sure the House Repukes will oblige him and hold hearings with Kucinich leading

the way.

Idiot.

[Change Happens]

29. Thank you, he is an ass, BIG TIME!

Remember the healthcare debate?

[RandomKoolzip]

31. DisappointED. There's an "e" and a "d" at the end of "disappointed."

[tekisui]

32. He hasn't called for the impeachment of Obama.

He didn't say he should be impeached.

[Name removed]

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[madamesilverspurs]

37. No.

But there are those for whom posting here is good exercise in gaining proficiency in a second language.

-

[slipslidingaway]

39. Yes n/t

[Keith Bee]

36. K&R, but.....

...does DU really need seventeen threads on this one issue?

[slipslidingaway]

38. "He didn't call Bush impeach for Iraq and Afghan"

you're kidding or did not watch any of the almost 4 hours where he read the crimes of Bushco into the Congressional record.

:shrug:

And where were the other Dems on impeachment.

:mad:

Here is what Obama said when asked about the torture program ...

David Swanson's 2008 article ... bad policies or genuine crimes and what was known ...

"...So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing between really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it.'"

Obama did not say he prefers prosecution to impeachment for political reasons. He said he's opposed to both because he doesn't know of any crimes having been committed, and he hasn't seen any exceptional circumstances, but that he's open to prosecution should he discover that crimes have been committed...

I want to focus on what Obama already knows, because we all know it, because it's public knowledge.

The current president has openly confessed to violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and with it the Fourth Amendment...

Federal laws and international treaties prohibit torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment, as well as secret detentions, denial of due process, and rendition to other nations for purposes of torturing...

It's a violation of the UN Charter and therefore of Article VI of the US Constitution to launch a war of aggression against Iraq or to threaten one against Iran. Those threats are on videotape..."

[geek tragedy]

40. He didn't call for Clinton's impeachment for Haiti or Kosovo.

Or the Sudan and Afghanistan, for that matter.

[treestar]

41. I agree, does he have anything constructive to say, or any proposal

of a positive nature about what to do about Libya?