Obama will win regardless of the rantings of the fringe.

[RBInMaine]

YouTube Maddow for a reminder of the vast amount of PROGRESSIVE legislation we've had under Obama. These Cornel West type hyperbolic attacks against Obama represent the fringe of the fringe. Look at any poll. Obama enjoys a 90% approval among self-described liberals across the United States. Anyone who equates Obama with the Republicans, who go so far as to call him a "corporate tool", etc., need to find their local planet. He will win in 2012, and very deservedly so.

[tekisui]

1. This is going to be a long ass 19 months.

[CakeGrrl]

5. On that, I can agree with anyone no matter their views on the President!

[tavalon]

17. Yep, I told my hubby that I'm going to start today looking for a new

place to hang out until after the damn election. It won't matter a bit that there aren't going to be primary wars, there will still be much acrimony and infighting.

[roguevalley]

33. I love how the op denigrates people who don't worship at the

shrine of Obama when he does things that are contrary to his promises as 'cornell west' whatevers. How quaint. so rhetorical purity isn't just the province of the teabaggers and refucklicans now?

Makes you want to RUN RIGHT OUT and work for Obama....

This is going to rate right up there with Dean v ... Lord, I think I blanked it out. I can't remember who was going against Dean. :( I love Dean. He remembers what it means to be a dem

I want all the slavishly enamored to watch the Medicare thing coming up. The shitheads handed the medicare issue to the dems ON A FRICKIN' PLATTER! If Obama yim-yams around about working together etc Medicare is dead. If he can't pick up that grenade and shove it down their throats, he is as hopeless as I feel right now.

[NorthCarolina]

44. It's simply the way the right fringe of the Democratic Party operates. nt

[KittyWampus]

49. "worship at the shrine of Obama". What bullshit. No, we don't. We just accept reality >Obama has

accomplished a lot of good things for the middle and lower class.

The fact you use that phrase says a lot about you.

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[Grinchie]

77. You're right, he increased Job Opportunities in the Military.

Have you been out to see the good things that the middle and lower class are basking in?

In my neck of the wood, we are dealing with increased theft of agricultural products, farm equipment, and infested with beligerent squatters, have a police force that is demoralized and inneffective, have a court system that has it's caseload increase fourfold while it's annual budget has fallen 20% annually for the past two years..

I see my fellow farmers building barb wire fences, patrolling with shotguns, and you call these good things? You call the phony rise in oil prices a good thing? You really think that China has tripled its imports during this global depression? Think again. Tankers are parked full of oil while the banksters speculate to dump it on the market for a big return when their zero percent interest loans come due.

In the old days, the banks actually rented OUR money for interest rates that would allow us some sort of return.. Now we get 0.25% interest, while they get 0% interest, and then loan it back to us for 15% interest. If you have your money in savings, it is destroyed monthly by inflation.

What is certain is that good times will be coming at bonus time for the CEO's, while we pay 5 bucks a gallon a while the truckers go bankrupt from $4.50 a gallon diesel causing everything transported by them to increase in price.

Wake up. If you think these are good things, then you are certainly dreaming, or have too much money to worry about crunching the numbers for your daily budget, business, or food.

You can argu that Obama has no say on this, and that may be true, but if thats the case, then why bother re-electing a liar in the first place? We are still in Irag, Afganistan, and what the hell are we doing in Libya.. Oh yeah, Oil.

[Solomon]

99. I hate that too. Nobody is worshipping Obama

It's going to be a long 18 months because we're going to have to listen to endless screeds from democrats tearing him down. Not to mention republicans -- that's to be expected.

Thread after thread after thread after thread, all saying the same thing.
Over and over and over...

[Grinchie]

74. New Slogan! "Yim Yam We Can Believe In!"

You better trademark that Roguevally, because the Obama team is certain you lift it and make it a Winner!

It's pretty clear that the Real Government is now on the job while Obama PR's his way towards the election while letting the real issue be taken care of by others.

[okieinpain]

75. yep, dean sure does too bad he didn' win the election. n/t.

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[Ikonoklast]

9. Both of them two-termers.

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[Kolesar]

4. Gobama

[MrTriumph]

6. Get real. With high unemployment & a crummy economy, Pres. Obama is very beatable.

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[TheWraith]

8. By whom?

When you can answer that question without me laughing, I might bother to respond.

[onenote]

28. the crickets I'm hearing in response to your question are deafening aren't they!

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[onenote]

31. very few of them.

But most people who follow and understand politics understand the difference between a presidential campaign and a state or local race.

Oh, and you still haven't answered the question.

[rfranklin]

7. Well, you can pat yourself on the back and then...

we will still have two endless wars, virtually no taxes on the uber wealthy, entitlement "reforms," and a host of other Republican wet dreams put into action by our Democratic President. Hooray!

[vroomvroom]

37. Shhhsh! Democrats are Center-Right and anyone questioning it is the Fringe.

Tax cuts for the rich (hopefully made permanent), entitlement reforms to kill the middle-class, more wars, caving to anything republican desires is what it means to be a loyal democrat...if you dont like it then you are the fringe...wake up you damn crazy Liberals republicans were right after all and we as democrats are now having to catch up to them. Thank you Obama for showing us the Right way.

[okieinpain]

76. well i hope in 2016 you get just the candidate you're dreaming for

and we can see how well he does.

[NorthCarolina]

10. Just keep telling yourself that.

[Fire1]

13. You better hope the hell the OP is right! These newly elected

republicans have made it quite clear what will happen to the average citizen in this country if they take the presidency. If you think living under palin or trump or somebody like scott walker is even slightly better than Obama, I've got a bridge I wanna sell you.

[NorthCarolina]

15. At this point,m I'm still hoping for a Primary challenge. nt

[Fire1]

16. And you'll be waiting. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

19. Maybe. nt

[Fire1]

20. Good luck with that. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

22. Thanks, appreciate that. America can use all the luck it can get right now.

;-)

[Grinchie]

80. The Repubs are the Plucky Comic Relief to force the counterpoint

The whole strategy of the Obama campaign is the same as 2008 - Not a Batshit Crazy as McCain and Palin.

It worked back then, but it's not going to work now.

Why is it not going to work, especially when the Republicans have been crafted as such cold hearted monsters coming to take grandma's cat food money away?

The reason it will not work is because the citizens of the USA are nto going to stand for it. They can posture and wail all they want. They can slash programs and cut programs, but the backlash will be so overwhelming, Greece will look like a fistfight in the schoolyard.

The DLC strategy of "We are less crazy than the other guy" is a sham. It is purely propaganda meants to frighten timid sheeple into voting for the less of two evils. Unfortunately for the DLC, the people now realize that both parties are equally evil and are not going to be subjected to the confidence scheme they have crafted to scare us into voting for brand x.

I'm going to vote for whowever makes the most sense, and it certainly will not be Obama, Hilary, or any other DLC supplicant. That much is certain.

[JoePhilly]

25. Wait unitl the GOP nuts start to declare ...

Then the left wing fringe will have an actual choice to make.

For now, they cling to a primary that will never come, with an insane right wing general election opponent looming on the horizon.

[polmaven]

45. I certainly HOPE

a primary challenge doesn't come. That is the absolute best way to weaken the president - who will ultimately be the nominee - before the general election campaign even begins. Why anyone thinks that is a wise course of action is beyond understanding.

[Grinchie]

81. The president is might weak all by his own deeds.

I doubt a Primary challenge would alter the situation very much.

[KittyWampus]

50. Project much? YOU are the one refusing to see what has been done to help middle/lower class

Obama isn't perfect, but he's moving us slowly in the right direction.

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[Faygo Kid]

12. Cornel West is not "fringe."

He's a respected thinker. I spent an evening with him a few years ago; very thoughtful, good sense of humor. I made the case that W. was the worst president in history. He made the case for Andrew Johnson, who was a virulent racist who hung the newly freed slaves out to dry. I still hold for Bush as worst, but Johnson became second worst and has remained there.

He's not "fringe" by any means, and he's entitled to his opinion.

[Ikonoklast]

14. The vast majority of Americans have no clue who Cornell West is.

His opinions circulate academia, and websites for political junkies.


Ask a random person on the street if they ever heard of him.

[jefferson_dem]

24. Aye.

But he was in the Matrix, which is no doubt his most significant claim to "mainstream" fame.

[jefferson_dem]

23. Of course, Cornel West is "the fringe".

The political fringe... He's a freaking self-identified "non-Marxist socialist". How is that *not* the fringe?

Of course, he's also a brilliant man -- a great thinker, scholar.

[Avant Guardian]

32. Left of center = fringe, to republicans

and a few Democrats

[craigmatic]

18. He will win but that said Obama has been a mixed bag.

He's been very disappointing on economics, education, and health care. his people already know that he'll win regardless and I don't see why he doesn't at least try to go to the left harder. It'll most likely help him with regular people.

[xchrom]

21. I agree with you & I think very little of his accomplishments.

And calling them - with some limited exceptions - 'progressive'
Quite the over statement.

[ejpoeta]

26. well at the very least, if it is between obama and one of the myriad of

republicans, he will win because most of us aren't going to vote for a republican!! and with all the bs going on in a bunch of states right now i don't think the republicans are going to be very popular... that is assuming people have a memory.

[Avant Guardian]

27. Polls are not proof of anything factual

90% of liberals support him because he has a D next to his name, not because he is some gushing progressive.

[Grinchie]

82. Actually, it was "90% of Liberals that wear a Silver Drool Cup"

Secondly, what the Hell is a Liberal? Is that a person that thinks it's ok for Kids to play in Toxic waste? Is it a person that thinks Tax breaks for Dr. Evil's Corporate Empire is a good thing?

Or is a Liberal of the mind that they can continue to Print Money is a grand ponzi scheme until the people thay are pawning it off on wise up and demand payback with something real?

Do liberals think that since we were led into a War based on lies, it's OK to continue it in order to save face, even thoung it has no merit other than requiring more Weapons of Mass Destruction from the entrenched Arm's Dealers which happen to produce the mojority of the Food and Doo Dads that keep the sheeple mesmerized?

Frankly, the term liberal is a term best used in reference to a salad bar, portions in a restaurant, or the selection of healthcare. It is meaningless as a political label.

[Ramulux]

30. Absurd

Everything would be so much easier if I could just pretend that all of the terrible decisions Obama has made were actually great.

Failed policies in education, race to the top, charter schools
Failed foreign policy, Afghanistan, Libya
Failed tax policy, Bush tax cuts
Still torturing American citizens, Bradley Manning
Same failed trade policies, outsourcing of manufacturing, exploitation of cheap labor abroad


It just goes on and on. Oh, but I guess I should fully support him because he helped repeal DADT. These Obama loyalists blow my mind. Obama is wrong on all these issues, his positions have nothing to do with the republicans, they aren't forcing him to stay in Afghanistan, they didn't force him to make Arne Duncan secretary of education, they didn't make him appoint Tim Geithner, they didn't force him to keep the same failed free trade policies, those are Obama's beliefs. How someone could just ignore all that is beyond me.

[RBInMaine]

40. And FDR interned the Japanese and LBJ gave us Vietnam. And I can write you a longer list of

everything Obama has done that PROVES he is the most progressive President since the Great Society program. But what's the use. No sense trying to reason with the fringe.

[Grinchie]

84. Boo Hoo.. Poor Oppressed you.

Your Proof is lacking.

[Grinchie]

83. "Yim Yam We Can Believe In!"(tm)

[robcon]

34. I agree. He'll win easily.

Repugs have no one, and his policies are popular among the middle of the electorate.

[whatchamacallit]

35. Great, now that it's a foregone conclusion maybe you can

STFU! :eyes:

[RBInMaine]

41. And now maybe you can take your nasty mouth and fringe attitude to another site.

[ProudDad]

68. +1000

Ad-Hominum bullshit gets my dander up too!

[xocet]

36. Your post is a divisive post that really should be deleted or locked....

President Obama has had a difficult job, but he also has negotiated away a lot of change. He definitely deserves some criticism.

However, one need not refer to him plainly as "Obama", and one need not engage in ad hominem attacks against other Democrats.

I will support President Obama if he is the nominee of the Democratic Party, but I will not be giving money to his campaign nor will I be canvassing for him this time. Mandatory health insurance is not single-payer health care for all. President Obama's soft handling of Wall Street and his preemptive exclusion of single-payer health care are significant problems. To some extent, this has earned him the label "corporatist".

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[markpkessinger]

48. Seeking to quash dissent -- how very Stalinesque of you n/t

[RandomKoolzip]

53. Fringe fringe fringe fringe. Fringe? Fringe!

Fringe: fringe fringe fringe fringe fringe. Fringe? Fringe, fringe fringe fringe. "Fringe," fringe fringe fringe. FRINGE! Fringe? Fringe fringe fringe fringe fringe, fringe fringe fringe; fringe fringe fringe fringe fringe fringe! Fringe!! FRINGE!!!!

[Grinchie]

85. How Dare You! Blasphemer!

Though shalt not utter the name of that most hated nation!

[xocet]

54. You are acting no better than they are - so much for civil discussion. (eof) n/t

[Ignis]

71. Only four broad-brush smears in that sentence? You're slipping.

[Ignis]

70. In GDP? Oh LOL.

Good on you for trying, but this particular forum is Hippy-Punching Central.

[Union Scribe]

92. Yep, a definite message is being sent by what is and is not deleted.

[Keith Bee]

38. Indeed

K&R

[last_texas_dem]

42. Deleted.

[Vinca]

43. Amazing. Disagreement has gone from "haters" to "fringe."

WE ARE NOT SHEEP!:mad:

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

60. it was always fringe. some of whom absolutely hate Obama.

[ProudDad]

69. "some of whom absolutely hate Obama"

Who?

Prove it?

I haven't heard from ANYONE here on DU who "hates" Obama (well, anyone who wasn't immediately tombstoned)...

What "fringe"?

You mean the majority of extremely disappointed and disaffected basically decent USAmericans who expected something out of him other than punting on 1st down?

[Ignis]

73. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_%28insect%29

[Union Scribe]

93. .

[sudopod]

46. Deja vu

[mistertrickster]

47. "despite the legitimate concerns of his former base because of his outright lies."

There.

Fixed.

On edit--how's the ending Bush tax-cuts for the rich coming along, Mr. President?

[RandomKoolzip]

51. Goddamn, you love the word "fringe," don't you?

It's like every fourteenth word you type.

Believe me, liberals are not "fringe." What - do you think people on the left are all bomb-making hermits who never leave the house unless to plot revolution at the local puppet theatre? That we have no contact with "normal" people? That we AREN'T normal people?

Listen, bud: we have friends and family. We have jobs, we work hard. We buy things, we pay taxes. We may have (gasp!) ideals, but it's not like we're all living in some Sedona art commune somewhere, rubbing crystals and praying for UFO abductions or some shit - all stereotypes just as much as the sniffily dismissive and elitist epithet "fringe" is.

I resent and reject your framing of a valuable voting bloc and a population that totals in the tens of millions. And I suggest you find another word besides "fringe" to describe American internet users involved in left politics, because there's millions of us. What if the rest of the country started referring to all Maine residents as "fringe?" Something tells me you'd think it was unfair - well there ya go.

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. Expect the noise to grow even louder, especially from those "progressives" of the Ralph

Nader ilk who always work to hand the advantage to the Republican challenger. They've been gearing up for this since Obama won in '08. This notion that some legitimate third party will emerge from the wreckage of a fractured Democratic Party is ludicrous. We saw this movie in 2000, and the result wasn't pretty.

Great post, BTW. :hi:

[Dawgs]

55. I don't think you understand what progressive means.

And when you look at things like war and tax cuts for the rich, the "progressive" things he's passed are minimal.

[creon]

59. No

The President does not pass laws.

Congress passes laws.

[Dawgs]

79. Oh, Jesus Christ.

No shit. I think you know what I meant.

[creon]

87. No

Obama is not daddy.
Obama is not a man on horesback; he is not a dictator.

he is not in the business of telling Congress what to do or what to pass.

That is their job and their responsibilty. I expect them to step up and do what is necessary. I will not give them a free pass.

[totodeinhere]

56. I don't necessarily trust your political predictions since you made some wrong predictions prior

to the 2010 midterms. Anyone who thinks they know with an absolute certainty that Obama will be reelected doesn't understand politics.

Yes, at this point I would have to call him a solid favorite to win reelection, but too many unpredictable things might happen between now and the election to make that a sure thing. The economy could descend back into a recession for one thing.

[creon]

57. What matters

Congress.

There is an election in 2012. Obama will be re elected.
What matters are the elections to the HoR and Senate.

Concentrate on this task: electing liberals to Congress.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

58. Obama gets things done while people like Cornell bitch.

It has always been this way, apparently.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

61. You rang??

[Peacetrain]

62. okay...go got me.. you deserve an award for that one

i am sitting there one two three seconds.. before I got it.. duh.. good one

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

64. that guy looks like a complete badass, huh?

:)

[Jakes Progress]

65. Way to get out the troops. The beatings will continue until. . .

Most brain-dead form of campaign conscription I've seen in forty years of active party work.

But I do agree. He will win. Those who decide such things have already shown their appreciation for his work.

[ProudDad]

66. Of course he will, his corporate masters will see to it...

He's the best friend they've had since Mr. William Jefferson Clinton...

[ProudDad]

67. Love me, I'm a liberal...

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I read New republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

-------------------------------------

God, preserve me from wishy-washy "liberals"...

[Grinchie]

72. Did they legalize Ectasy for use in Tap Water recently?

Because thats what it sounds like these people are affected from when they promulgate in no uncertain terms that Obama will win.

Just because big business has annointed him with the sweet smelly aroma of money doesn't mean we will vote for him./

To make sure the investment works, they will tell the Republicans to act even more crazy to seal the deal, but the people are smarter than that now.

The thought process of these Oligarchs is severely flawed and broken, and they think that pulling rhetoric and sound bites out of their ass and throwing them against the wall is actually going to work after the horrific damage caused by the insane policies, cintinuing and corrupt monetary policy, and a leader who is quite comfortable lying to the face of those that elected him.

I you are embedded in the Corporation so deeply that you have no other way of survival, be my guest, vote for more of the same, but you may be in the minority when you leave the gated community and venture into the real world where real people live.

[mazzarro]

78. We have been called worse!

I am a proud member of the fringy fringe left - if that will make you happy! I do not easily abandon my principles just to placate my momentary feelings. Obama has not lived up to his most prominent pledges and that is not something I am about to let him off for.

[PVnRT]

86. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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[Lindsey]

89. RBinMaine, I could not agree with you more. Thanks for your

post! :-).

[Umbral]

90. But if he loses, boy wont the fringe take all the heat for it.

They only matter when the establishment Dems need a scapegoat.

[FrenchieCat]

91. Oh.....it will be their fault too......

No one is exempt...especially folks who have been bitching about everything and anything since the man placed his hand on the bible.

[Union Scribe]

94. "No one is exempt"....including Obama, right?

It'll be his fault right?

[FrenchieCat]

95. Right. Difference is that he is only one man......

and not even a dictator.

If you can have an entire state riled up, like Wisconsin,
and the vote is still too close to call.....
understand that it takes a whole lot more than some are willing
to give to actually get things done.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama loses his bid in 2012....
but as one man, he will have to move on.
Meanwhile, we will be stuck up to our necks in some serious doo-doo...
the kind that leaves a lasting mark.

[Douglas Carpenter]

96. "Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should

you know, and be faithful in what happens."

[FrenchieCat]

97. I don't think we've tried that yet......

nor do I think we are about to start.

Criticizing for him going to California to raise money....
well, that's the kind of shit that we could do without...
especially after Citizen United.

[Norrin Radd]

98. Fringe? Walter for Pres...

[Safetykitten]

100. Democrats with the fringe on top.

[Exilednight]

101. Who exactly are the "fringe"? I've never seen a fringe left winger on this board. So who exactly

are you talking about?

If you're going to make claims, then name names and give us examples of their fringe stance.

[Township75]

102. You nailed it!

I don't mind people whining about Obama here to be honest. Because I know from Dean vs Kerry, and Obama vs Clinton that everyone lines up and loves the Dem nominee by the time the Repub convention finishes.

Yup, Obama will win regardless of the drama queens here crying all the time...in fact, most of them will vote for him.

[kjackson227]

103. K & R!