Weiner is a dirty dealer...I'm done. I'm from New York and never knew this...

[vaberella]

Okay, I just read an article from Salon which was linked from facebook blog that I read called The People's View.

FB link here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Peoples-View/140375152651507

Article link here: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/06/dirty-trick-that-launched-anthony.htmlH

However there was article posted late last night on Weiner. Now I always got the impression he was a Zionist---this is mainly cause of his actions or words when the Israel Flotilla murder raid happened. I was appalled and disgusted that a "liberal" was supporting such methods even after there was countless information and videos that proved that Israeli military was in the wrong here and killed innocents and Americans. Domestically he pushed a lot of measures I supported though. So I just put him as a problem internationally and I don't want to know his opinions on Israel and the Palestinians which I mind find frightening. Domestically he was okay.


And this article came out and shows how he got where he did. Now I was in New York when this went down. I didn't live in Brooklyn at the time, I was in Manhattan but daddy wasn't cool with us visiting anyone in Brooklyn at the time and my Uncle lived really close to Crown Heights. There was a lot of bad blood then. Added to that, people really bashed Dinkins' when in reality he actually brought crime down and it was not Guilliani----he just rode on those coattails and then enforced a de facto martial law on Black and Hispanic communities.

In any event, seeing how Weiner was involved in all that is a bit disconcerting to me. I always knew New York politics is a bet of cronism/nepotism and lies. But I don't know...I was expecting more from a liberal. I guess after reading this---Weiner is pretty much off my list. I don't care about the pictures stuff...the pornstar stuff mentioned on Ed's show irked me. But this...turned me off completely. We're in a nation where race is sensitive---to use it for political gain, no matter how long ago it is---is abhorrent.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/06/07/anthony_weiner_1991/index.html">The Dirty Trick That Launched Anthony Weiner's Career
It was at this point that Weiner's campaign decided to blanket the district with leaflets attacking his opponents. But these were no ordinary campaign attacks: They played the race card, and at a very sensitive time. They were also anonymous.

Just weeks earlier, the Crown Heights riot -- a deadly, days-long affair that brought to the surface long-standing tension between the area's black and Jewish populations -- had played out a few miles away from the 48th District. The episode had gripped all of New York and had been national news. It was just days after order had been restored that Weiner's campaign distributed its anonymous leaflets, which linked Cohen -- whose voters he was targeting in particular -- to Jesse Jackson and David Dinkins, who was then New York's mayor. It is hard to imagine two more-hated political figures in the 48th District at that moment. Jackson just a few years earlier had called New York "Hymie town," and it was an article of faith among white voters in Weiner's part of Brooklyn that Dinkins had protected the black rioters in Crown Heights -- and thus endangered the white population -- by refusing to order a harsh police crackdown. (Two years later, Dinkins would lose to Rudy Giuliani by an 80-20 percent margin in the 48th District.) The leaflets urged voters to "just say no" to the "Jackson-Dinkins agenda" that Cohen supposedly represented. At City Hall, Dinkins held up the flier and branded it "hateful."

It's impossible to say what precise effect this all had on the election, but it clearly didn't hurt Weiner. In a surprise result, he finished in first place -- 125 votes ahead of Garson, and 195 ahead of Cohen. Only after the ballots were counted did he admit that he'd been behind the leaflets, claiming that "We didn't want the source to be confused with the message." This prompted an editorial rebuke from the New York Times, which noted that "Mr. Weiner's hit-and-run tactics tarnish his come-from-behind campaign."

Not that it mattered. The primary was over and Weiner had won. The general election was a formality, and months later he became the youngest City Council member in New York history. Seven years after that, he parlayed his Council spot into a seat in Congress, and you know the story from there. But who knows where Weiner would be today if he hadn't made such a dark appeal to racial hostility days after a notorious riot?

[RandomThoughts]

1. If he is a zionist, or anything else.

Then get him out of office for that.

Don't use a smear merchant that preys on the weakness and sickness, as they call it, and the desire for sexual gossip by the media and society.


Ethics investigation.






Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick Of Time
http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=407128

Dire Straits - Walk of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CknuCTRAW_I

[vaberella]

3. Smear? He admitted to creating those flyers.

Did you hear him going on about the flotilla and stating that the military was defending themselves and that the raid was justified?

[RandomThoughts]

5. If he is being removed for reasons things like being a zionist.

Then do it for those reasons.

Don't use a smear. And don't give power to smear merchants.



http://vimeo.com/1764428

Billy Idol - Eyes Without A Face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OFpfTd0EIs


Constantine - Bring me to life (Evanescence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8d3K_hngw




Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick Of Time
http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=407128

Dire Straits - Walk of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CknuCTRAW_I

[vaberella]

6. What smear?

I said it was my own personal beliefs, based on his comments on the flotilla incident that he appears to be rather a zionist---when he made it seem as though those victims on the flotilla was a bad guy. Further more that had nothing to do with the article that I'm posting which mentions nothing of him being a zionist. It states Weiner ADMITTED to instigating racial tensions in Brooklyn in order to get his first seat. That isn't a smear either.

[RandomThoughts]

9. Ok, then remove him from office for racial tensions.

Not using smear merchants.

That is like arming terrorist by Machiavellian to win a battle, it is beyond stupid. If he should be removed for some reason like that, then that should be the topic.

Not smears being used in many places.

[vaberella]

11. What smear merchant?

I'm not understanding your use of smears. This is not a smear, but recounting how he got into politics in the first place---basically through the use of lies. And touching on the fact the man lied. Further more, the article is suggesting that he shouldn't be taken out of office over something as stupid as some pictures.

However if he is removed, that he (the writer) wouldn't be too sorry because Weiner used dirty dealing to get into where he was now.

Did you read the article? The incident recounted about how Weiner started was something that took place in 1991. Why would we go back that far? However, I knew new this about the guy and it sheds new light in my opinion on how even his political start wasn't good but based on a nice well set of lies and he seems to be going down over lies over pictures.

[RandomThoughts]

13. What have you seen on the news.

Because of the use of smear, it creates prosecutionial misconduct and taints the case you make.

If anything the use of smear, taints the case, and is stopping the prosecution for some valid issue that might or might not exist.

Another reason smear should not be used.

[vaberella]

22. Define the smear please...I think that's what I was getting at. n/t

The penis-gate, my personal statements in regards to his position on the flotilla incedent and an interesting article I read here: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/currentarticle.cfm?id=222, or the allegations that Ed Schultz brought up that are allegations and not proof? Or the incident I quoted in my article which was based on fact?

[RandomThoughts]

23. The out of perspective fixation on sexual matters.

Not voting records, or work done in congress, and that information retrieved by extra judicial methods outside of rights to privacy, and rights to limitations of search and seizure without probable cause, and entrapment by uses of methods of playing on the weaknesses of society that likes to gossip about sexual matters to express the same feeling hypocritically, and getting the media to obsess on the topic, and other methods of entrapment.

Used for targeted justice becuase of his ideas on other issues, and weather those issues are right or wrong, those issues becomes irrelevant by the attempts to remove him by using smear tactics, targeted justice, entrapment, and possibly distortions including false evidence. So by prosecutial misconduct he has the choice to stay or go, and then his constituents can choose in the next cycle to vote him in or out. Although there may need to be some help to compensate for the injustice done to him in the form of help in his next election due to the prosecutions misconduct, and possible censure of said prosecutors for such wrongful actions, and of coarse dismissal of the case against him.



Side note, I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences.



And there needs to be investigations into those that use smears for humiliation against people to try and break them.




http://vimeo.com/1764428

Constantine - Bring me to life (Evanescence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8d3K_hngw



Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick Of Time
http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=407128

Dire Straits - Walk of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CknuCTRAW_I

[vaberella]

24. Oh I agree with that. But my post has nothing to do with the sex shit.

It's talking about how he got up to where he was. So I don't see your point in relation to my post. However I do agree about the weiner thing. Well...his fully erect naked penis is all over the net now. here: http://yfrog.com/h3b3sfej

So this smear is now taking on legs, wings, and anything else to spread it. I still don't think he should resign even with his penis all over the net.

[RandomThoughts]

25. Not true, why are you discussing that individual right now.

Because of the smear, any comments on his worth as a congressman, or lack of worth are as a valid conversation are tainted.

You can make those arguments when the smear is not being used, until then they have no value in the discussion, becuase of the misconduct of the smear.

And I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences.

[vaberella]

27. True enough.

That smear is not a smear when it's a fact. Especially when he mishandled his own pictures. It was a smear of his own making---he smeared himself not anyone else.

[RandomThoughts]

30. You do not understand targeted justice, nor perspective.

Nor hypocrisy.

And actually to say that, you don't understand concepts of justice either.


Anyone can be smeared, using a smear out of perspective, or not having rules applied equally across all people, is targeted justice not justice.

And it is actually worse then anarchy, becuase it pretends to be justice when it is not.

[karynnj]

26. Unfortunately, it is not a smear - he sent the twitter message and then lied about it

and since the it is clear that his behavior is not what most people expect as ok for a congressman.

This other story is troublesome. I live in NJ and did not follow the city elections enough to have ever heard of it, but that time was a very nasty chapter of NYC history. That he, in any way, added to the nastiness of politics at that time does not say much for him.

As others noted, he was less "liberal" and less visible in the Bush years. Like Edwards in 2008, it seems that he saw the way to a NYC Democratic nomination was to appear as a left wing hero - so, he moved there. At any rate, it is moot - as he really could not run now.

[vaberella]

28. I just stated that. Thanks Karynnj. n/t

[Fuddnik]

33. I think he wants you to give him beer and travel money.

Maybe if you do, he'll leave.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[leftynyc]

32. You want to kick all Zionists

out of Congress? When are you and others going to realize you're nothing but a very loud minority on this issue? The President is a Zionist, as is the vast majority of Congress and the majority of our citizens. It's quite the joke to suggest otherwise.

[Mass]

2. So you accuse him to be a racist?

You may be right, but it will take more than an article in Salon by Steve Kornaki of all people to convince me.

His positions on Israel are nothing new though. Does that make his positions on domestic affairs wrong.

In addition, people who got rid of crines in New York City did nothing more than sending them somewhere else in Hartford and Springfield. So, I am not sure I see that as a plus.

[vaberella]

4. I NEVER said he was a racist.

Where did you get that in my message? Can you point to me where I said hew as one? But based on the article, he apparently admitted to using racist tactics to get his first seat into politics. He took advantage of the already intense racial discord in Brooklyn at the time---by instigating it so he can get ahead. That's a dirty dealer---a dirty dealer politician. I don't think you have to be racist to profit from racist tactics.

[gateley]

8. Much like a presidential candidate was coy about Obama's

American citizenship. Didn't believe the Kenya stuff, I'm sure, but used the "doubt" as a little campaign plus.

I hate it when people tell me what I say/feel when I didn't mean anything of the sort. Isn't it frustrating?

Interesting articles, by the way. Hmmmm.

[vaberella]

12. I didn't want to go there...but it crossed my mind. No doubt about it. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

7. "I was in Manhattan but daddy wasn't cool with us visiting anyone in Brooklyn at the time"

Sounds like daddy likes to stereotype.

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[alcibiades_mystery]

14. These were the days of the "Fuck the Moolie, vote for 'Joolie' (i.e., Giuliani)" pamphlets all over

northeast Queens.

None of this surprises me in the least bit.

[vaberella]

17. I remember those. n/t

[Autumn]

15. Start working to organize if you want him gone,

I heard that many of his constituents are not bothered by this weenie gate and don't want him to resign. I had thought of a recall but I gather NY doesn't allow them.You will have to work vote him out if he choses not to resign.

[vaberella]

19. I saw that too on Ed. I actually don't want him gone.

I never said I did. However, I was pretty much defending him in regards to this penis thing. I'm not going to defend him. And the porn star/ sex phone calls on his blackberry on in his office on tax payer money--as suggested by Ed (no facts yet on that--just rumor)---those are annoying. The thing is...I'm not going to defend his status here. I thought it was stupid of Dems to give up the money he earned in his pac to them---and I still it's stupid. I think the penis gate thing is stupid and not worth the time. However---calling on our tax money ---that kind of rubs me the wrong way--since those numbers aren't free. I'd be less annoyed if he was banging an aid in the office---it's when our money is used to support a bad habit--as it's rumored--that I get a bit rubbed off. This little element that has come to light just kind of was the cherry on top.

However, the numbers on if Dems in New York would support him---that is very true and I would. If he was my elected official I don't know if I'd vote for him or not---depends on who's challenging him. But I'm not defending him on this and if he resigns over it--I won't feel sorry for him either.

[Cali_Democrat]

16. What evidence do you have that he's a Zionist?

Because of what he said about the flotilla incident? Anything else?

And his being Jewish has nothing to do with why you think he's a 'zionist'?

Riiiiiiight....:eyes:

[vaberella]

20. Here you go (as an added note, I said it was my personal take on him):

Additionally---it's on his political outlook--not on him as a person.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/currentarticle.cfm?id=222

[Bonobo]

18. Do you know what a "zionist" is?

I don't think so.

Are you AGAINST Israel's right to exist?

[vaberella]

21. I should have been more clear admittedly...and I do know what theyare.

I support a Jewish state---however the more extreme level of zionism---to the aspect of violence against Palestinians as tolerable--or those have been aspects associated with the negative side of Zionism. And that is what I was looking at--especially in the case of the flotilla comments he made. However, that is not the point of my post. Since again--I saw him as being one politically and on an international level but fairly liberal otherwise. And it's not that I see him as a some evil zionist---just perpetuating a few negative talking points even when faced with evidence saying otherwise. Apparently he has pushed other ideas from this article I read: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/currentarticle.cfm?id=222

Which was an interesting read.

[CakeGrrl]

29. Maybe the karma wheel nudged him in the ass.

And it was his own stupidity and carelessness that exposed him, so to speak.

I won't shed a tear if he's out.

[vaberella]

31. Neither will I. I feel sorry for his wife in all this nonsense. n/t