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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:53 PM
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Why the jobs situation is worse than it looks.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2011/06/20/why-the-jobs-situation-is-worse-than-it-looks?PageNr=3

Why the Jobs Situation Is Worse Than It Looks
We now have more idle men and women than at any time since the Great Depression
By Mortimer B. Zuckerman
June 20, 2011


The Great Recession has now earned the dubious right of being compared to the Great Depression. In the face of the most stimulative fiscal and monetary policies in our history, we have experienced the loss of over 7 million jobs, wiping out every job gained since the year 2000. From the moment the Obama administration came into office, there have been no net increases in full-time jobs, only in part-time jobs. This is contrary to all previous recessions. Employers are not recalling the workers they laid off from full-time employment.
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Don't pay too much attention to the headline unemployment rate of 9.1 percent. It is scary enough, but it is a gloss on the reality. These numbers do not include the millions who have stopped looking for a job or who are working part time but would work full time if a position were available. And they count only those people who have actively applied for a job within the last four weeks....Include those others and the real number is a nasty 16 percent. ...And this 16 percent does not take into account the discouraged workers who have left the labor force....

Labor's share of national income has fallen to the lowest level in modern history, down to 57.5 percent in the first quarter as compared to 59.8 percent when the so-called recovery began. This reflects not only the 7 million fewer workers but the fact that wages for part-time workers now average $19,000—less than half the median income.


Just to illustrate how insecure the labor movement is, there is nobody on strike in the United States today, according to David Rosenberg of wealth management firm Gluskin Sheff. Back in the 1970s, it was common in any given month to see as many as 30,000 workers on the picket line, and there were typically 300 work stoppages at any given time.
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But hang on. Even to come up with the(reported)54,000 new jobs, the Bureau of Labor Statistics assumed that 206,000 jobs were created by newly formed companies that its analysts believe—but can't prove—were, in effect, born in May under the so-called birth/death model, which relies primarily on historical extrapolations. Without this generous assumption in the face of a slowing economy, the United States would have lost jobs in May. Last year the bureau assumed that 192,000 jobs were created through new start-ups in the comparable month, but on review most of them eventually had to be taken out, as start-ups have been distressingly weak given the lack of financing from their traditional sources such as bank loans, home equity loans, and credit card lines.

Where are we today? We have seemingly added jobs, but it is not because hiring has increased. In February 2009 there were 4.7 million separations—that is, jobs lost—but by March 2011 this had fallen to 3.8 million. In other words, the pace of layoffs has diminished, but that is not the same thing as more hiring. The employment numbers look better than they really are because of the aggressive layoffs in the early part of this recession and the reluctance of American business to rehire workers. In fact, the apparent improvement in job numbers has been made up of one part extra hiring and two parts reduced firing.
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Clearly, the Great American Job Machine is breaking down, and roadside assistance is not on the horizon...

(much more at link)
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 12:14 AM
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1. Obama needs to GET OFF HIS ASS
And advocate direct employment by the government like we did in the 1930's with WPA and the CCC. He needs to stop focusing on "private sector" jobs and just start paying people to work for the government. Instead of allowing teachers, and firefighters to be vilified.l

I don't think he can do it. I think he is locked in a mental paradigm of free trade, free market, private sector, Chicago School economics. He will suffer the same fate as a president he greatly resembles: Herbert Hoover.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 12:23 AM
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2. Obama does indeed seem passive about this
Edited on Fri Jun-24-11 12:26 AM by Cali_Democrat
He should be on the TV everyday for hours literally screaming about government works programs like we had in the 1930's. The private sector is straight up useless and is doing nothing about this as they sit on mountains of cash. They don't need even more tax cuts where they will just hoard that cash as well.

The American people are suffering and need real leadership. The American dream is being pissed away and we ain't doing shit about it!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 12:36 AM
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:26 AM
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7. The Tee Vee Networks Wouldn't Let Him Have That Much Time
He should be on the TV everyday for hours literally screaming about government works programs like we had in the 1930's.


The networks would not give him that much airtime. Even when they do put Obama on the air, they cut away after a minute or two.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:06 AM
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:12 AM
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6. Sure aren't what?
Que?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:38 AM
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10. lol!
:thumbsup:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:34 AM
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8. Obama = NOT A DICTATOR. How do you propose he get the money to do all this from the Teabagger House?
It's easy to criticize and point fingers. What's your plan to get your idea passed through this Congress?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:57 AM
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12. Too late. Obama squandered the opportunity in January 2009 to
Edited on Fri Jun-24-11 01:57 AM by coalition_unwilling
craft a New New Deal for Americans. We'll see unemployment (U2) reach 15% before November 2012. Will be interesting to see whether the American people hold Obama responsible for squandering the 18 months from January 2009 to November 2010 or whether they blame the Repuke Do-Nothing Congress for its ineptitude from January 2011 to November 2012. But for me and the other 17% of unemployed Americans (U6 figure), the exercies is pretty much academic at this point.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 02:01 AM
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14. See Reply #15.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:50 AM
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11. Puh-leeze. Obama had the opportunity in January of 2009 (with
Edited on Fri Jun-24-11 02:03 AM by coalition_unwilling
solid majorities in both House and Senate) to forge a new New Deal for Americans. And he had the popular will behind him. Obama (under Rahm's tutelage) squandered that opportunity. We now face 18 months of a new 'Do-Nothing Congress'. I'm not holding my breath that even in January 2013, assuming an Obama re-election, that anything will get better for workers.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:57 AM
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13. Wrong. The Senate never had a "solid" filibuster-proof majority w/DINO Lieberman & DLC Blue Dogs.
Edited on Fri Jun-24-11 02:03 AM by ClarkUSA
Note how Lieberman killed the possibility of a public option by declaring he would vote against it. It was impossible to even pass a proper stimulus plan in 2009.

It's ridiculous to declare what President Obama could've done as if it was a certainty given the fractious Democratic players in the Senate then. What's the difference between that and wishful thinking?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 02:08 AM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 02:13 AM
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16. No need to waste time doing that. Reid knew how many caucus votes he had at all times.
Edited on Fri Jun-24-11 02:26 AM by ClarkUSA
I hope that Democrats are "a ruling party" forever, especially since Republicans like Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney and Michele Bachmann represent the economic and social policy alternative.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 12:30 AM
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3. the most stimulative policies. Give us a break it was mostly tax cuts.
Money that has made its way offshore or is on the proverbial sideline.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:37 AM
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9. I am using this year's payroll tax cut total to pay one month of a very big mortgage (to me) & taxes
Edited on Fri Jun-24-11 01:52 AM by ClarkUSA
None of it will make "its way offshore" much less "is on the proverbial sideline." I'd say that's the case for the Americans who are benefitting from the extension of the middle-class tax cuts (mine will pay for two months' hefty property taxes), the payroll tax holiday for employees and UI extension, the last of which is considered the most effective form of stimulus spending, according to every unbiased economist I've ever read.
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Hippie Puncher Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 11:12 AM
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17. to some people, everything is always worse than it is.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 11:20 AM
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18. ....
:wow:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 12:49 PM
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19. It is a very good article.
I read it a few days ago and thought of posting it, but why bother? Only a few want to see things as they truly are.

We are screwed and I don't think that either party really cares. The one thing they do care about, though, is promising the moon and the stars to get elected or reelected. Both parties are a disappointment.

What I would give for a viable third party!!!

:-(
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:36 PM
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20. Better hope the Republicans are right about economic theory
Since they have the House, nothing will be done.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 06:50 PM
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21. But we need to cut the deficit and give out more tax breaks to the rich
Media says so.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 09:09 PM
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22. An article by THIS Mort Zuckerman? :..........
Just a few of Mort's prior articles (note that a search did not turn up ANY articles complementary of Obama):

Drowning in debt: Obama's spending and borrowing leaves U.S. gasping for air
Mort Zuckerman
October 23rd 2009, 12:19 PM

Article
New York Daily News, New York, N.Y
2009-10-21
With Israel in grave danger, President Obama goes wobbly
June 13th 2009, 6:44 PM. ...


Why the Jobs Situation Is Worse Than It Looks
Jun 20, 2011


America's Fading Exceptionalism
Jun 10, 2011

Obama Undermines Prospects for Middle East Peace
Jun 3, 2011

The National Debt Crisis Is an Existential Threat

April 26, 2011

The Incredible Deflation of Barack Obama
By Mortimer B. Zuckerman
January 21, 2010

Youtube "Obama's Done Everything Wrong" Zuckerman
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC1oRvzHdhQ
Jan. 20, 2010

Mort Zuckerman: World Sees Obama as Incompetent and Amateur
June 19, 2010 8:31


Zuckerman, who earlier this month wrote a column slamming the administration's approach to health care and the economy, on Monday told Fox News' Neil Cavuto that he was involved with writing remarks for deliver by the president.
"I voted for Obama. In fact, I helped write one of his speeches," Zuckerman said, declining to elaborate. ***
The White House did not respond to a request for comment. But Politico.com quoted a White House source saying neither of Obama's top speechwriters "has ever met or spoken to Mort Zuckerman."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/13/zuckerman-clarifies-claim-helped-write-obama-speech/#ixzz1QFVnfrR7

Just a tip of the iceberg. I used to watch McLaughlin Group regularly. Zuckerman was on as a panelist occasionally. It was clear from the start that he wasn't an Obama lover. I take him at his word that he voted for Obama, but I'm guessing he held his nose while doing it. He's one of the richest men in the country, and I was surprised to read that he'd voted for Obama, because I was never able to tell from McLaughlin Group whether he was Republican or Democrat. He sat on the left with the Democrat Eleanor Clift, so I assumed he was a Democrat. But his views and statements certainly didn't reflect a liberal view.

Not saying his article on jobs is true or not or partially true. Just saying that I see a pattern.
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