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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 09:03 PM
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Yeah, That Plan Won't Work
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2009/12/25/164235/01

Yeah, That Plan Won't Work

by CabinGirl
Fri Dec 25th, 2009 at 04:42:35 PM EST


I like Cenk Uygur a lot but he is desperately confused. He's kind of on the right track in the beginning of his analysis but he makes a common mistake. He correctly identifies Obama's move to the center when he got to Washington but he attributes it to some kind of character trait rather than simple arithmetic. He thinks Obama made a choice that wound up empowering Joe Lieberman, when the truth is that there isn't a single bill that can pass through the Senate without Lieberman's vote if the Republicans are united against it. That isn't by anyone's design. In fact, things could be worse. It was Biden who flipped Specter, and Obama tried to get rid of Judd Gregg and replace him with a better vote. It was the Obama administration that orchestrated the change in Massachusetts' Constitution, allowing Paul Kirk to become the 60th vote needed for health care reform. These moves weren't centrist or progressive; these moves were practical and necessary.

Something a lot of progressives don't understand and haven't understood all year is that we could not have a health care bill that was one iota more progressive than Ben Nelson is progressive.
Unless, that is, the bill was catered to Olympia Snowe instead. She wanted a triggered public option and had no interest in anti-choice language. But, boy howdy, did a lot of progressives throw a fit in August and September when the administration was trying to win her vote. We wound up having to satisfy Nelson instead, and look at how much worse we did as a result!

It's not even Cenk's analysis of Obama's character that bothers me. It's his proposed solution.

We have to attack Obama relentlessly from the left. Right now he is a giant that is unmoved by anything in his left flank, he keeps looking to his right and ducking and worrying and moving to accommodate them. They are so loud and so visible. It's hard to miss them. We have to make him look left. We have to shake him off his foundation.

Rahm Emanuel gave a wonderfully condescending interview to the Wall Street Journal where he explained that the White House has nothing to worry about from the left. That's exactly what we have to change. Unfortunately, the only way to capture their attention and make them accommodate us rather than Fox News Channel is to hurt them. When we can put on the same kind of pain and pressure on the Obama White House as Fox does, that's when they'll have to move, at least to get out of the way.

You inflict political pain by voting things down. So far progressives have been completely unwilling to do this. They got rolled on healthcare because they had no intention of putting their foot down - and everyone knew it.


But this is all fantasy. Progressives didn't get rolled on health care. Progressives failed to convince at least five Democratic senators that a public option was necessary. They pushed and pushed and pushed to get a public option into the base Senate bill without realizing that it would be as simple as Joe Lieberman saying 'no' to kill it prior to Conference. Do you think Joe Lieberman doesn't hold a grudge against Jane Hamsher after the whole blackface campaign she waged against him during the Lamont challenge? That's only one reason among many that I don't need Hamsher fighting for anything I support. She thinks she can get progressive senators to kill a year's worth of work on the president's number one priority, but she can't. What she can do is convince Joe Lieberman that he isn't going to do anything to please a woman who is attacking his wife. Hopefully, Rahm Emanuel won't take the same attitude and punish us all for the sins of one loud-mouthed blogger.

Yelling louder isn't going to change shit. Progressive politicians aren't going to do what these progressive activists are asking them to do. Attacking the president relentlessly, as Cenk advises, isn't a strategy. The president should be criticized when it is warranted, but not attacked relentlessly. If you want to change outcomes in Washington, you have to look first and foremost at the Senate. And you need to realize that the people who hold the real power are the Dem centrists. And you can't influence them by attacking them relentlessly or by attacking their wives. You need a better plan.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 09:13 PM
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1. Priceless
...Progressives failed to convince at least five Democratic senators that a public option was necessary...Yelling louder isn't going to change shit. Progressive politicians aren't going to do what these progressive activists are asking them to do. Attacking the president relentlessly, as Cenk advises, isn't a strategy. The president should be criticized when it is warranted, but not attacked relentlessly. If you want to change outcomes in Washington, you have to look first and foremost at the Senate. And you need to realize that the people who hold the real power are the Dem centrists. And you can't influence them by attacking them relentlessly or by attacking their wives. You need a better plan.


LOL! Seriously, not a single coordinated effort to sway one or more Senators through reasoned arguments, just a constant barrage of "sell out" screams and rationalizations to portray Obama as a centrist.



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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 10:22 PM
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2. Yes, I thought this was a very reasoned argument. What are
activists trying to accomplish with this muddled strategy?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 01:01 AM
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5. Yep. "Yelling louder isn't going to change shit."
So-called "Progressives" acting as Right-wingnuts should realize that. It didn't work for the teabaggers they are wanting to join forces with.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:44 PM
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16. Your making a dishonest comparison
Progressives want a stronger bill. Teabaggers want no bill. They want the opposite, not the same thing. Attempting to equate them is slimy and intellectually dishonest.

If everyone just licked Obama and the Congress' boots and didnt oppose or fight anything, where would we be right now? How far to the right would this bill be? Progressive outrage was a wakeup call to Obama and Democrats. We dont want a right wing bill. Calling the rightward march of this bill, 'a move to the center,' excuses failure.

Automatically going along with whatever politicians do doesn't bring about change and it never will. Change comes through opposition.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 10:29 PM
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3. Brilliant, reasoned, adult analysis
The DUer poutraged whiners will now tear you apart for posting this.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 10:34 PM
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4. Exactly, there is no plan
Just raging against the "corporations" and the "establishment."
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 03:04 AM
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6. What is the difference between
a GOPer saying "my way or the highway" and a lefty saying the same thing.

The end result is the same, no change.

To use Obama's language, "the status quo is not an option."
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 03:34 AM
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7. Brilliant. Every time when i think all hope
is lost to find a reasonable "progressive" voice - Someone steps up and prove me wrong. Uygur is pathetic, just like that woman, what's-her-name.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 03:37 AM
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8. Along the same lines they have absolutely boxed Snowe into a corner

She was on record for this bill but wanted to have a trigger for the public option.

Now she is willing to filibuster the same bill she voted for in committee?

She did it because she didn't want to have a Republican Primary opponent.

But if she continues to block the Democrats against reasonable issues she is finished.



And think about the fall elections. Republicans wanted the bill passed with the public option so that they could run against "government run health care" now they are running against "not allowing insurance companies to deny on preexisting condtions"

It makes the Republicans position much harder, also they have to make their health care votes seem reasonable by cooperating with the President on other issues or their health care votes just looks like "no to everything".
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:38 PM
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15. Yeah
Edited on Sat Dec-26-09 12:40 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
Republicans keep claiming that they support some of the more popular parts of the bill- but now that the bill has mostly been reduced to those more popular parts (opposition to which should be EXTREMELY hard to explain), they STILL refuse to support it and, even worse, they claim- without a shred of credibility- that it is STILL a massive government takeover of health care. I don't know how they are going to run on opposing very popular parts of the bill. Snowe, for her part, just looks silly claiming that somehow the bill is being "rushed" despite the months and months of negotiations. And it's not like even most of the proposals contained therein are that controversial or are new.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 03:53 AM
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9. KnR. Another good article. nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:22 AM
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10. K&R
:kick:
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:41 AM
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11. No doubt we go after them but always wiser behind the scenes so all people see is the..
Edited on Sat Dec-26-09 07:41 AM by ProgressOnTheMove
success story than what we do to get them there.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:42 AM
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12. A most rational, and logical article.
Thumbs way up. :thumbsup:

Thanks so much for posting.

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:59 AM
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13. Excellent read. K&R
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:26 PM
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14. K&R
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:47 PM
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17. Good article.
Booman Tribune seems to be one of the oases of rationality in this craziness.
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