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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:00 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 84
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-0">AJE Live Blog http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/">Libya Alhurra archives and updates http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benghaziradio">Benghazi Free Radio, in Arabic (may have translators present at times) http://www.tributefm.com/">Tribute FM (English broadcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate https://twitter.com/#!/TheyCallMeSof">Sofyan Amry (arrived in Benghazi recently) http://twitter.com/#!/KiloFoot">KiloFoot (general Arab Spring news aggregation)

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1079536">Day 83 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Libyan rebels at an entrance to the airport in the besieged western city of Misrata.

Photograph: C.J. Chivers / NYT




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110511/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_libya">Rebels: Gadhafi forces pushed back from Misrata
TRIPOLI, Libya – Pressing to break a two-month siege, rebels in the port city of Misrata said Wednesday they had captured the local airport and pushed Moammar Gadhafi's forces ever further from the city's western outskirts.

The reported advances were the latest in a recent flurry of accounts of rebel victories, coinciding with intensified NATO airstrikes on Gadhafi's forces in several areas of Libya. In all, NATO said Wednesday, the alliance has carried out more than 2,400 airstrikes since March 31 as part of the effort to assist the rebels and pressure Gadhafi to end his 42-year authoritarian rule.

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He said rebels are also pushing west from Misrata, toward the nearby city of Zlitan, hoping to then advance farther toward Tripoli.

"This is a major victory," Abdel Salam said. "The Gadhafi forces have been suffering lack of supplies ... Their morale was very low after being defeated several times and pushed back."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110511/pl_nm/us_usa_congress_libya_2">John Kerry seeks fund transfer to Libya opposition
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Senator John Kerry said on Wednesday he was drafting legislation to authorize the transfer of available cash assets of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to a Libyan opposition group.

Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said there would be "a specific amount" for the Libyan opposition Transitional National Council, but he did not have the final number yet. The rebel group has said it needs up to $3 billion to keep going in the coming months as the fighting reaches stalemate.

"I am currently drafting legislation at the request of the State Department and the administration that will authorize the transfer of available cash assets to the council so that they will have available money. It will not come from an American taxpayer, it will come from Colonel Gaddafi himself," Kerry said.

"And we are hopefully going to legislate that shortly," the Democratic senator said after meeting with leaders of the Libyan opposition group, including Mahmoud Jebril, head of the council's crisis committee.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/libyan-rebels-corner-gaddafi-troops/story-e6frf7jx-1226054239663">Libyan rebels corner Gaddafi troops
LIBYAN rebels cornered Muammar Gaddafi's troops at the airport in the western city of Misrata amid fierce fighting today.

As the violence continued, UN chief Ban Ki-moon said he had urged Libya's prime minister to immediately stop attacks on civilians and called for a halt to the fighting in the country.

Ban said he was dispatching a UN envoy to Tripoli after calling Libyan Prime Minister Baghdadi Mahmudi yesterday.

"I told him the Libyan authorities must stop attacking civilians, I said there must be an immediate verifiable ceasefire negotiations towards the peaceful resolution of the conflict and unimpeded access to humanitarian workers," Ban told journalists.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/the_two_faces_of_gaddafis_regime_tough_guy_and_victim/2011/04/30/AFSgDOPF_story.html?wprss=rss_world">In Libya, a regime with two faces
TRIPOLI, Libya — It is a classic good cop, bad cop routine. Libya is simultaneously trying to play the role of tough guy and victim in its dealings with the outside world, as it unleashes venom and shellfire on its opponents but pleads for a cease-fire and dialogue.

First came the bad cop, as Moammar Gaddafi vowed to disinfect his country from the filth “house by house, room by room, alley by alley, person by person.” The rebels were described as “al-Qaeda drunks,” “armed gangsters,” “terrorists” or simply “tick-infested rats.”

Yet in the past two weeks, some officials in Tripoli seem to have realized that defiance, although playing well to Gaddafi’s supporters at home, does not play well in the outside world.

So a new line has emerged, embodied in a more conciliatory speech that Gaddafi delivered last weekend — the Libyan government as peacemaker, a regime that accepted an African Union peace plan rejected by the rebels, a misunderstood administration that has been picked on by former friends abroad but that still wants to solve its problems through dialogue.


Thanks to tabatha for this editorial.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/11/libya-accused-of-exploiting-humanitarian-crisis">Libyan regime accused of exploiting boat people
The Libyan regime of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi is allowing thousands of sub-Saharan African migrants on to overcrowded, unseaworthy ships in an apparently calculated attempt to use migration as a weapon to pressure Nato and the EU countries backing Libya's rebels.

Libyan officials admit they are not preventing boats full with African migrants embarking on perilous journeys to Europe. This is in protest at air strikes, which they say have destroyed the country's coastguard.

Turning a blind eye to people smuggling has had disastrous effects, apparently leading to the deaths of hundreds of boat people during unsuccessful attempts to reach the Italian island of Lampedusa, Malta, and other parts of Europe.

Officials are still assessing the death toll from the sinking of an unseaworthy and overcrowded ship that is feared to have claimed hundreds of lives when it went down less than two miles off Tripoli last Friday.


I predicted this two days ago. I was scoffed at. :puke:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/11/libya-refugees-gaddafi-african-migrants">Helping Libya's refugees is the better way to beat Gaddafi
Given the mad rush to war in Libya, when Britain and others suddenly decided Benghazi risked becoming the new Srebrenica, it is unsurprising that little or no thought was given to the seemingly unrelated question of sub-Saharan migration into the EU. But the law of unintended consequences is inexorable. What began as a quixotic fight in a faraway country has mutated into a life-or-death struggle on the tourist beaches of Europe. Apparently, nobody saw it coming.

The people dying in this war within a war are not Libyans, not the Gaddafi-ites, not the rebels. They are not the endlessly affronted residents of Lampedusa and other Italian and Maltese islands. Nor are they British or other Nato airmen. They are the people who always die first in such situations: the poor, the uneducated, the dark-skinned.




http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751">A topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths about the treatment of women in Benghazi.

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0">The Battle of Benghazi. BBC Panorama on Libya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA">Part 1, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s">Part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M">Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAclhhHv43s&feature=player_embedded">Arab Awakening: Libya: Through the Fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc">Tea of Freedom Song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z41kQvx4uKw">Libya: Part 2 - The Uprising


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of UN resolution 1973. How will a no fly zone work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k">AJE reports.

Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-21/les-f-16-belges-dans-le-feu-de-l-action-829588.php">Six F-16 Falcon fighter jets of the Belgian Air Component. Bulgaria: The Bulgarian Navy Wielingen class frigate Drazki http://paper.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2011-03-23&article=35828">will participate in the naval blockade. Canada: Canadian Forces Air Command has deployed http://www.cefcom-comfec.forces.gc.ca/pa-ap/ops/mobile/index-eng.asp">a total 440 military personnel as well as the Halifax-class frigate HMCS Charlottetown are participating in operations. Denmark: The Royal Danish Air Force http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/ECE1227910/denmark-to-send-squadron-on-libya-op/">is participating with six F-16AM fighters. France: French Air Force which realizes 25% of NATO's strikes http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/autres-operations/harmattan/libye-debut-des-operations-aeriennes-francaises">is participating in the mission with 51 Mirage and Rafale Aircraft. Greece: The Elli-class frigate Limnos of the Hellenic Navy http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/03/20/greek-defence-ministry-no-participation-in-operations-outside-the-nato/">is currently in the waters off Libya as part of the naval blockade. Italy: Four Tornado ECRs of the Italian Air Force http://www.corriere.it/esteri/11_marzo_20/tripoli-bombardamento-chiesta-riunione-onu_2e95d102-52c0-11e0-a725-dbe20f0ba2b5.shtml">participated in SEAD operations. Jordan: Six Royal Jordanian Air Force fighter jets http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90043651?After%20hesitation%2C%20Jordan%20joins%20in%20Libya%20no-fly%20campaign">landed at a coalition airbase in Europe on 4 April to provide "logistical support." NATO: E-3 airborne early warning and control (AWACS) http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/nordtrondelag/article1606878.ece">aircraft operated by NATO. Netherlands: The Royal Netherlands Air Force http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/dutch-f-16s-operational-over-libya">provides six F-16AM fighters and a KDC-10 refuelling plane. Norway: The Royal Norwegian Air Force has http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/libya/artikkel.php?artid=10091294">deployed six F-16AM fighters to Souda Bay Air Base. Qatar: The Qatar Armed Forces are http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123248695">contributing six Mirage 2000-5EDA fighter jets and two C-17 strategic transport aircraft. Romania: The Romanian Naval Forces http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-8423876-traian-basescu-sustine-declaratie-presa-ora-21-00-dupa-sedinta-csat.htm">will participate in the naval blockade with the frigate Regele Ferdinand. Spain: The Spanish Armed Forces are http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Espana/intervendra/cazas/F-18/fragata/F-100/submarino/avion/vigilancia/maritima/elpepuint/20110319elpepuint_14/Tes">participating with four F-18 fighters. Sweden: The Royal Swedish Air Force will http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/9050-sweden-offers-eight-fighter-jets-for-libya-mission">commit eight JAS 39 Gripen jets for the international air campaign. Turkey: The Turkish Navy http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/03/24/general-libya-diplomacy_8373237.html">will participate with five ships and one submarine in the NATO-led naval blockade to enforce the arms embargo. United Arab Emirates: The United Arab Emirates Air Force http://www.wam.org.ae/servlet/Satellite?c=WamLocEnews&cid=1300255413630&p=1135099400124&pagename=WAM%2FWamLocEnews%2FW-T-LEN-FullNews">sent six F-16 Falcon and six Mirage 2000 fighter jets to join the mission. United Kingdom: The Royal Air Force has http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/TyphoonJoinsTornadoInLibyaGroundAttackOperations.htm">deployed 12 Tornado and 10 Typhoon fighters, surveillance aircraft, and air refuelling tankers. United States: The United States has http://www.webcitation.org/5xJ8qNGGe">deployed a naval force of 11 ships and are using MQ-1 Predator UAVs to strike targets in Libya on 23 April.

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://english.libya.tv/2011/04/25/eastern-libyans-believe-in-national-unity-distrust-au-and-turkish-mediation-survey-reveals/">The first free public opinion poll ever conducted in Libya reveals clues to Eastern Libyan sentiments
* 98 percent of the respondents do not support the division of Libya as a part of the political solution for the current conflict with the Gaddafi regime. Around 95 percent also don’t see any role for Gaddafi or his sons in a transitional period, and think it is impossible to implement any political reform in Libya if Gaddafi or one of his sons stays in power

* Around 96 percent of those polled, believe that the 17th of February revolution can consolidate the national unity of Libya and support the model of a democratic Libya based on a constitution which respects human rights

* Al-Qaeda has not played any role in the 17th of February revolution, say 94 percent of the Eastern Libyans, and 91 percent thinks it’s impossible for Al-Qaeda to play any political role in the new Libya

* The National Transitional Council is seen by 92 percent of those surveyed as “expressing the views and wishes of Libyans for change”


This is equivalent to 17% the entire population of Libya, doing the numbers very conservatively.


http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.






Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg">Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help.

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:01 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 3:01am Thursday, May 12
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:02 PM
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2. Tribute FM is live now, listen here, a call from Tripoli is happening soon:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:21 PM
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6. Tribute FM archive:
Last hour of Tribute FM: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WWXGUL6E
Ibn Thabit interview: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XMQ3AXDD
Nez from Tripoli interview: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XYOOZL4G

I grabbed these but will not be doing it regularly, it was just to give people a taste of the programs.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:54 PM
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3. Video: Misrata update May 11th
http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/05/video-misrata-update-may-11th/">Video: Misrata update May 11th
“Thank god we completely liberated the southern part of Misrata today, including the airport road. The “Sikit” farms nearby were completely liberated and revolutionaries are moving on to other farms to check them too.”

“Revolutionaries are also checking the air academy and thankfully many families used by Gaddafi as hostages were rescued. These families were mostly from Ghiran and nearby areas and some were even from Bani Walid and Zliten”

“Now that the southern part of Misrata is liberated (thank god) we’re waiting for the big victory which is clearing Karareem and Dafniyah areas (west) and thank god for everything!”


Tribute FM is still going live, as of this post... incredible info, too much to post.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:03 PM
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4. Series of NATO strikes target Libyan capital
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/11/general-ml-libya_8462555.html">Series of NATO strikes target Libyan capital
TRIPOLI, Libya -- A series of NATO strikes are targeting the Libyan capital.

Four explosions in quick succession were heard early Thursday, preceded by the sound of loud whooshing - normally associated with cruise missiles.

After the strikes, the sound of speeding ambulances was heard by reporters staying in a Tripoli hotel.

It wasn't immediately clear what the strikes hit. Reporters are not allowed to leave their hotels without government minders.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:18 PM
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5. Arms & Libya: Where East Meets West
Edited on Wed May-11-11 09:21 PM by tabatha
Let’s be clear. Colonel Qaddafi amassed huge arms stores, and most of what he piled up came from Russia, China and the former eastern bloc. But the West was in the arms-sales game in Libya, too. Spanish cluster munitions, French mortar rounds, American recoilless rifles and artillery pieces — these, too, have been in the stores. Along with these Belgian bullpups with their grenade launchers underneath. And let’s not expect intellectual consistency. Guns and minds often don’t work that way. Some of the rebels were dismayed today by the F2000, but they have taken a fondness to the American recoilless rifles they have seized, and also to their stocks of FN FALs — another Belgian design from the same firm that makes the F2000.

When this war is finished, there will be work for many researchers for many months or years, putting together a study of how good sense or scruples or vigilance (label it as you will) seemed to be suspended by East and West alike to arm a family and a military that would turn these weapons on their own. Those who track arms will likely watch the Libyan collection drift around Africa in the decades ahead. Was it all for the seduction of an oil-state’s easy cash?

Today the rebels were happy, because of scenes like this one, below, of the departure terminal at the airport, freshly cleared of Qaddafi soldiers. And they were pleased and proud of themselves as they took custody of many new weapons, to point back at the army of their country, which has been shelling their homes.


http://cjchivers.com/post/5401976501/arms-libya-where-east-meets-west

"putting together a study of how good sense or scruples or vigilance (label it as you will) seemed to be suspended by East and West alike" - this is my question. Arms are the US's biggest export, and in many of the countries, they are being used on civilians. Are we a country of blood for money? Gaddafi should never have been able to acquire the arms he has - given his long documented history of killings.


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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:21 PM
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7. Libyan call in radio show tonight
Mhalwes was giving kind of a play by play of the show, which I just read.

http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya

As an American and a Westerner, I am absolutely thrilled to see the incredible rehabilitation of America's image abroad, and especially in the Arab world, by this President and Secretary of State. America has gone from being an oppressor and conqueror to being a tool for Arabs' freedom and empowerment.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:50 PM
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8. I posted an archive of what I caught up thread.
They're replaying the two interviews. I of course probably missed hours of the program.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:54 PM
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9. Libyan Rebels Seize Control of Misurata’s Airport
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/12/world/africa/12libya.html?_r=2&">Libyan Rebels Seize Control of Misurata’s Airport
MISURATA, Libya — Rebels in the contested western city of Misurata stormed the city’s airport on Wednesday afternoon, swarming over the grounds from the south and east and reclaiming it from the military of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

Seizing the airport in Misurata, a city that has been under siege for nearly two months, represented one of the most significant rebel victories in the Libyan conflict and a stiff military and public-relations blow to the Qaddafi government. The airport and its approaches were the last remaining pieces of terrain in the city to be controlled by Qaddafi soldiers.

With these soldiers pushed back, the western area of Misurata appeared by nightfall to be out of range of the most common of the Qaddafi forces’ heavy weapons, including self-propelled artillery, Grad rockets and 120-millimeter mortars, which loyalists have used to fire cluster munitions.

Though potentially reversible, the capture of the airport appeared to be a break in the siege. With the loyalists suffering a string of defeats in recent days and the rebels gaining weapons and confidence, Colonel Qaddafi now appeared weaker than ever before, Misurata residents said. With their advance, the rebels had, at least for the moment, the potential to cut off government forces in the east from those in the west of Libya, threatening the logistics lines of Qaddafi forces.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:39 PM
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10. Hunting Mad Dog Gaddafi’s missiles at 40,000ft
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/3573302/Joining-the-RAFs-spies-in-the-skies.html">Hunting Mad Dog Gaddafi’s missiles at 40,000ft
We are the first newspaper to have access to this undercover world and to fly aboard a Sentinel R1 surveillance aircraft.

Equipped with powerful dual radar, the plane's phenomenal scouring system homes in on the Libyan leader's advancing tanks and missiles from 40,000ft above.

Hawk-eyed image analysts - trained to find "the smallest of needles in the largest of haystacks" - track the vehicles and can then send for Top Gun-style pilots to blast the dictator's weaponry to pieces.

Although many of the radar's capabilities are classified, defence sources claim it can even see through WALLS.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:39 AM
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11. i just wanted to say thank you again, to all who keep this up.
regardless of any of our opinions on these matters, what matters most in my eyes is that these people are recorded and remembered. you are cataloging the voice of very brave people over this turbulent time. these efforts likely will be part of the collective data for historians of all stripes to analyze in the future.

thanks everybody! :hi:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:58 AM
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12. Killings and Rumors Unsettle a Libyan City
The killings have unsettled an already paranoid city, where rebel authorities have spent weeks trying to round up people suspected of being Qaddafi loyalists — members of a fifth column who they say are trying to overthrow the rebels. If the violence continues, it will pose a stern challenge to a movement trying to present a vision of a new country committed to the rule of law, while potentially undermining hopes for a peaceful transition if Colonel Qaddafi surrenders power.

The rebels say their security forces are not responsible for the killings. Prosecutors here say they are investigating at least four attacks, including another murder in March, and they are exploring the possible involvement of Islamists who were imprisoned by the Qaddafi government and are now settling old scores. “It’s our responsibility to protect people,” said Jamal Benour, the justice coordinator for the opposition in Benghazi. “It’s important the killers are punished. The law is most important.”

But some here dismiss talk of Islamists, saying they believe the killings are being carried out by an armed group allied with the rebels, or possibly Qaddafi loyalists pretending to be.

Last week, about a dozen men wearing balaclavas and carrying guns arrived at the house of Youssef al-Tobouli in three pickup trucks. At the time, Mr. Tobouli, a former internal security prison guard who had defected to the rebel side, was at the store. His terrified relatives called friends, and in the gunfight that followed, the room Mr. Tobouli shared with his wife and three children was destroyed by fire.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/africa/11benghazi.html

I would not put anything past Gaddafi, after the report of a group of people crossing the Egyptian border to take out the rebels.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:07 AM
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13. Won't know for sure until it's long over.
But the French did similar stuff to the Nazi's during and after WWII. France itself was particularly efficient at it: http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres.html#France

It is of course unfortunate, especially if these men could've been used in ICC proceedings, but there's very little that can be done about this sort of thing. Frankly these torturers got off easy, imo.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:14 AM
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14. It is not the policy of the NTC. They are opposed to any revenge killing.
They would prefer the judicial course.

Unfortunately, it takes the bad actions of a few to smear the whole group - by those who judge a whole group by the actions of a few. And there is no evidence of who did the killings.

In South Africa, after 1994, there were revenge killings of farmers - tragic because they were not involved in any torture, and their deaths were completely opposite to what Mandela advocated, which was forgiveness and reconciliation.

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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:13 AM
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31. Meet the new boss ...
"We" have chosen to support one side in a civil war. If "We" win, then we will learn about "Our" side. I would expect our efforts in building a new, better Libya will be every bit as successful as building new, better Iraq and Afghanistan.

Without Post-Qaddafi NATO support, the rebels will be sitting ducks for extremist forces. Unless they recruit the remaining Qaddafi loyalist military, they'll have no military capability or competence to defeat the next wave. I think we'll help them with the nation-building.

Quagmire. Again.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:31 AM
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15. Freedom 4 Libya - Amazighian song, video
Edited on Thu May-12-11 01:56 AM by joshcryer
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:40 AM
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17. link bad :-(
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:57 AM
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18. Fixed.
Thanks for spotting it!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:33 AM
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16. US reporters detained (for over a month) in Libya receive first visit
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jML-YxCo9Rt-dyu0agOfVoupVcVg?docId=CNG.67223d9bde54fd50f17c3160a0ed4d59.eb1">US reporters detained in Libya receive first visit
WASHINGTON — Two US reporters and a Spanish photographer held in Libya have received their first visits since they were detained over a month ago amid indications they may be released soon.

Philip Balboni, chief executive of GlobalPost.com, told AFP on Wednesday that members of the diplomatic corps in Tripoli had met with James Foley, a freelance reporter with GlobalPost, and Clare Morgana Gillis of The Atlantic.

They also met separately with a Spanish photographer, Manu Brabo, who is being held with the two American journalists, the CEO of the Boston-based GlobalPost said.

"It was the fist time that they were seen by someone who was not a member of the Libyan government" since they were detained on April 5, Balboni said.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:57 AM
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19. Liberation Air Force Academy in Misurata proud - video
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:52 AM
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20. Libyan consul in Cairo joins rebel ranks
Libyan consul in Cairo joins rebel ranks - TV
Wed May 11, 2011 10:46pm GMT

CAIRO May 12 (Reuters) - Libya's consul in Cairo told Al Arabiya television in remarks aired on Thursday that he was quitting his post to join rebel ranks.

"In response to the souls and blood of the martyrs of the February 17 revolution, I, Faraj Saeed al-Aribi, the Libyan consul in Cairo, declare my resignation and my joining of the February 17 revolution," al-Aribi told the television channel. (Reporting by Ali Abdelatti; Writing by Joseph Nasr)

http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFLDE74A2JO20110511
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:49 AM
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23. Gaddafi had a loyal diplomat left? Who knew? :)
Virtually all of his embassies/consulates are now flying the independence flag.


OT: Hey, I'm up and running (after a nice nap), but no champagne on my old keyboard. It already has enough spilled coffee on it for a lifetime! Now I know what they mean by "Sticky Keys." :)


:hi:







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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:21 AM
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24. We should have kept a count
and it might be interesting to see who is the last diplomat to give up. The DPRK maybe? There's a job from hell.

I know there's no point in repeating all that crosses the wires of state TV, but there is this fresh bit, repeated on Reuters:

NATO strike damages North Korean embassy-Libyan TV
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE74B0XM20110512

No independent confirmation. If it's the least bit true, we'll soon see 24-hour coverage of every broken window. Unless, that is, the state-tv reporters are afraid to go out of the house.

And do check out the photo on AJE blog at 7:38am. Straight out of the onion.

OT, hmmm, I think see a difference, a bit quicker, springy, a little brighter. Good PC.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:18 AM
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21. Gaddafi at the Rixos
Gaddafi at the Rixos
From: MarkStoneSkyNews | 11 May 2011 | 246 views
He appeared on the room all journalist use every day. We knew something was up: lights in the corridor were turned off and screens erected. But that happens for other VIPs too. No one expected the Colonel though. We think he came in through an underground car park. His compound is just 1km away.
http://youtu.be/KxlEzq4h4lk

"Don't film"
From: MarkStoneSkyNews | 11 May 2011 | 286 views
I am kicked out of the room at the Rixos Hotel where Col Gaddafi appeared. Not quite sure why! What the man who kicked me out didnt know is that I had already managed one 'take' of the video... see it after this.
http://youtu.be/-8NDks-68tU

How journalists missed Col Gaddafi at the Rixos Hotel
From: MarkStoneSkyNews | 12 May 2011 | 308 views
Colonel Gaddafi apparently held a meeting in the hotel where International journalists stay in Tripoli. None of us saw him. Why? Two possibilities....
http://youtu.be/QE_uLyyyBr0

WRAPUP 3-Libyan TV shows first film of Gaddafi in two weeks
Thu May 12, 2011 3:57am GMT

TRIPOLI, May 12 (Reuters) - Libyan state television showed footage of Muammar Gaddafi meeting officials in a Tripoli hotel, ending nearly two weeks of doubt over his fate since a NATO air strike killed his son.
...

"We tell the world these are the representatives of the Libyan tribes," said Gaddafi, pointing to the officials and naming a few of them.

"You will be victorious," an old man told Gaddafi, referring to the three-month-old revolt in the North African country against the Libyan leader's 41 years of rule.

...

Reuters journalists based at the same hotel said some rooms had been sealed off during the day for an event, but they had not seen Gaddafi. In the past he has made high-profile entrances accompanied by a large staff of minders and aides.

more...
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE74A2JN20110512?sp=true
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:40 AM
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22. Libya: David Cameron invites rebels to open formal office in London
Libya: David Cameron invites rebels to open formal office in London
10:58AM BST 12 May 2011

The Prime Minister made the offer after holding talks with Mustafa Abdul Jalil, chairman of the Interim National Transitional Council, in Downing Street.

Mr Cameron said the British presence in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi would also be boosted.

He said: "These steps continue our very clear intention to work with the council to ensure Libya has a safe and stable future, free from the tyranny of the Gaddafi regime."

The talks were held hours after the Libyan government sought to quell rumours that Muammar Gaddafi had been killed or wounded in a coalition attack.

...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8509067/Libya-David-Cameron-invites-rebels-to-open-formal-office-in-London.html
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:41 AM
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25. Heinz predicts slow day

Paraphrasing:

Rebels have a lot of consolidating to do after huge advances the last few days.

No point in engaging at Brega because it will just result in needless deaths to take a desert outpost. Gaddafi's troops are surrounded, cut off and the city has no strategic value to the revolution. Just wait it out.

I am not clear if Heinz said Misurata was already getting logistical and military support by sea from Benghazi or soon would. In my opinion, they probably already are because Misurata is fighting on a much larger perimeter and with greater effect than they were previously, which leads me to believe they have been reinforced.

Remaining regime troops (mostly mercs) in Western Mountains will continue to get slaughtered as they attack a superior force defending their home area.

Heinz and AFreedom report defections continue, and will accelerate as the rebels approach Tripoli.

AFreedom believes Gaddafi is dead. Others are reporting a stroke. Either way, no one has seen him in over a week. Everyone seems to believe that Saif and the other older brother are in charge now, but need the specter of Gaddafi to keep loyalty.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-0

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:10 AM
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27. Gaddafi's appearance at the Rixos Hotel should quash the rumors
State TV showed him greeting some tribal reps, and CNN is airing a clip of that.






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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:46 AM
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29. which reporter saw him?
my understanding is he was alleged to be in an ajoining room. Did a single reporter see him or hear him speak?
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:41 AM
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33. As reported in #21 above, the journalists didn't see him
Sky News reporter Mark Stone concluded the appearance was authentic, reporting:




Later, Stone acknowledged that some have doubts and he explained why he believes it was not a setup:



In the footage, you'll notice a torch on the table next to him. We think the walk from the car park to the room was made in darkness. They were determined that no one caught a glimpse of the man until he was gone.

Of course there is another theory: some say he wasn't here at all.

This place ticks over on rumour and conspiracy. I'm already getting messages from people telling me I am gullible. They claim the appearance was an elaborate set-up by the regime. Perhaps. But I don't believe it was.

Look at the screen behind the Colonel. It's showing state TV complete with the time and day: 19:52pm on May 11, 2011.

He's wearing black because he's mourning the loss of his son. This hotel only opened a year ago. He's not been here much. It would have to be some set-up.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Mark-Stone-Reports-From-Tripoli-On-How-Gaddafi-Snuck-Into-A-Hotel-Where-Media-Were-Staying/Article/201105215990510?lpos=World_News_Second_World_News_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15990510_Video%3A_Mark_Stone_Reports_From_Tripoli_On_How_Gaddafi_Snuck_Into_A_Hotel_Where_Media_Were_Staying



Nothing that's come out so far is absolute proof, but Stone's reasoning seems pretty sound.






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:05 AM
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40. Just a hunch.
I believe that was a Gaddafi double - the "physique" looked different from Gaddafi, who is not fat around the legs.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:52 AM
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26. Libya conflict maroons French tuna fleet
Libya conflict maroons French tuna fleet
Thu May 12, 2011 11:00am GMT

TOULOUSE, France May 12 (Reuters Life!) - Nearly half the fisherman in France's main port for bluefin tuna fishing will be grounded for the 2011 season after the unrest in Libya caused fishing permits to be axed for their Libyan-owned boats. Ten of the tuna ships operating in the Mediterranean port of Sete, some 185 km (115 miles) from the city of Toulouse, will be stuck because they are owned by Libyan companies with links to Muammar Gaddafi, who rebels are battling to overthrow.

The conflict led to a delay in Libya confirming its 2011 Atlantic bluefin tuna fishing quota with the Madrid-based International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas (ICCAT), which decided quotas late last year and awarded permits in mid-April. Libya's quota was cancelled.

"Because of the war in Libya, around a hundred fisherman from Sete will not go out to sea this year. That's a hundred families on the breadline," said Raphael Scannapieco, owner of five tuna ships, three of which are registered in Libya.

...

ICCAT member Libya had been due for a quota of 902 tonnes of bluefin tuna -- much of it to be fished from the 10 boats now blocked at Sete -- out of a total of 12,900 tonnes for the 2011 season, which starts on May 15.

more tuna...
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE74B0UH20110512


This is a follow-up to a story posted here yesterday.
Libya: Green groups sound alarm over tuna stocks
(AFP) – 1 day ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gdfWLd8JnBHvb3DoeBfOtg473UHw?docId=CNG.c09176f483e4d0dbb454a97d8875714a.a1

In the interests of Reuters headline accuracy, I'd like to point out that the French tuna fleet is not marooned. Ships registered to Libya, even if operated out of a French port, have lost their fishing permits. It's not as exciting as being marooned, but hey, that's the way it is.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:04 AM
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30. Is this a No-Float Zone to protect innocent Tuna?
Or just another aspect of freezing Libyan assets?

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:07 AM
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41. French fisherman have been frozen.
Not Libyan assets. Re-read.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:10 PM
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44. They are crew on Libyan boats with Libyan fishing license
catching tuna against the Libyan fraction of the legal number of tuna to be taken.

If they were operating under the French license, then they'd be allowed to catch the tuna.

Now, if there are Libyan fishermen living in Marseilles, crew to a French captain on a French boat operating under a French license, I'd bet those Libyans are out making money.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:32 AM
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28. Another attempt at mining Misrata port?
MajGenLorimer Maj Gen John Lorimer
HMS Liverpool was tasked with other NATO warships to intercept small high speed inflatable craft spotted approaching the port of Misratah.
vor 17 Minuten

Similar boats have previously been used by the regime to attempt to mine the harbour. #Libya

The regime artillery on the coast fired an inaccurate salvo of rockets at HMS Liverpool. #Libya

HMS Liverpool immediately returned fire with her 4.5" gun, which silenced the shore battery. #Libya

As a result of the prompt action by HMS Liverpool and the other NATO warships, Colonel Qadhafi's boats abandoned their operation.

http://twitter.com/#!/MajGenLorimer
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:20 AM
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32. If it weren't for your daily updates, josh, nobody would have a clue about what's going on in libya.
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 09:46 AM
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34. K & R nt
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 10:29 AM
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35. 'Gaddafi is the terrorist man. We are just ordinary people'
Source: The Guardian





Libya leader's claims that al-Qaida is at helm of country's revolution does not appear to hold much substance in Derna


Xan Rice in Derna
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 12 May 2011 16.13 BST



Neither Gaddafi supporters nor Islamic extremists: Derna's rebels say they are fighting for freedom. Photograph: Xan Rice for the Guardian


...


"Yes to pluralism," reads the slogan outside the port. "No to Qaeda (sic)."


A banner outside the Sahaba mosque is more wordy, and more adamant. "We refuse to be linked with Al Qaeda & other terrorist groups," it says.


Derna's rudimentary PR campaign, apparently led by university students, is clearly aimed at foreign journalists arriving in the town to seek evidence of claims made by Gaddafi's regime.

...


"Gaddafi is using al-Qaida as a boogieman, a scarecrow, to make western countries afraid," said Abdulkarim Bentaher, an English professor who serves on Derna's local transitional council.


"He wants to stop the west supporting us, and in some way he has succeeded. (But) there is no such thing as al-Qaida in this town."


...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/12/derna-libya-gaddafi-al-qaida









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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 10:35 AM
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36. Libya: Misrata Fighters Bloodied But Unbowed
In the coastal town of Sousse in Tunisia, we met a shipload of injured people who had managed to get out of Misrata. There were about 400 of them, mostly fighters – some who were in a bad way and others who were walking wounded. Some had been hit by anti-aircraft fire, others by shrapnel.

Around 90 per cent of them were young men between 20 and 30 years of age; all of them, without exception, had never experienced a combat situation before or used a weapon in their lives. One said to me, “How different fighting in real life is to how it appears on the Playstation.”

It was scary that these men had never been in the military and had no training, but it was also inspiring. They said they took no pleasure from war, and would have avoided it if at all possible – but all said they were fighting to be free and to build a modern society.

These guys were bright and enthusiastic and their morale was still very high. Most said they wanted to recover from their injuries and return to continue fighting to free Misrata. They were happy about the international intervention, but perhaps puzzled as to why more wasn’t being done and more bombing raids weren’t taking place. However, they said that without the help they had received, they would never have been able to keep the port open and there was great gratitude for this.

http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/2011/05/libya-misrata-fighters-bloodied-but.html
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 10:36 AM
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37. Working in the heart of a bloodless revolution
Edited on Thu May-12-11 10:38 AM by tabatha
(As one of the comments noted, this is a misleading headline)

Retired Sheffield nurse, midwife and health visitor Gwen Wilson left the comfort of her Hunters Bar home to spend four weeks helping refugees in camps on the border between Libya and Tunisia with the British Red Cross. Here is her letter home

It is 9am on what looks like being another very hot day in this desert area. Today the Federation of the Red Cross is opening its own camp for migrant workers displaced because of the fighting in Libya. It is seven kilometres from the border.

The first bus full of over 70 people has just arrived and they get off the bus looking tired and apprehensive. They are directed down towards the camp registration tent pulling bulging suitcases and carrying a whole variety of belongings from blankets to electrical equipment.

There are many single men and a few families. Some of the women have babies strapped to their backs and young children stumble along behind them in the sand.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/lifestyle/features/working_in_the_heart_of_a_bloodless_revolution_1_3363346

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 10:42 AM
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38. Gerhard Heinz - Al Jazeera commentator
4 hours ago
west of ziltan abbout 38km goverment troops are in run ,leave heavy equipment behind after silver birds lost some eggs

3 hours ago
coming in the next time from goverment spokesman
we agree full with the un resulutiuns and our troops are now on the way back to their barracks(he didnt say that theyare running) so we declare a ceasefire ,please nato stopp the ff who are attacking our compound in tripoli

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-0
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:03 AM
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39. Follow live: Libyan opposition leader discusses future of his nation
Msnbc.com's Miranda Leitsinger covers an address and Q&A with Dr. Mahmoud Gibril Elwarfally, prime minister of Libya's Transitional National Council, live from the Saban Center for Middle East Policy in Washington, D.C.

Follow along here from 11 a.m. to noon E.T. If you'd like to add a comment, feel free to. This discussion is moderated.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/12/6629997-follow-live-libyan-opposition-leader-discusses-future-of-his-nation
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:21 AM
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42. Gaddafi's crimes against humanity for the year of 2011
Edited on Thu May-12-11 11:21 AM by tabatha
Tara Lee Romero, Al Jazeera Libya blog

2011: Gaddafi orders his troops to shoot at unarmed civilians
2011: Gaddafi hires mercenaries to go into the homes of civilians and shoot protestors
2011: Civilians mysteriously disappear in the night and are never seen again
2011: Eman al obeidi was raped by 15 of Gaddafi forces, they violated her with weapons, they poured alcohol into her eyes and urinated on her.
2011: Gaddafi forces shot a blogger in the head because he wrote the truth.

2011: Gaddafi indiscriminately bombs urban areas in Libya using planes
2011: Gaddafi issues Viagra to his troops encouraging them to rape women
2011: over 200 reports of rape by gaddafi’s men, among the victims an 8 year old girl
2011: Gaddafi mines the port of Misrata
2011: Gaddafi shells a humanitarian aid ship which docked in the Misrata port, preventing the evacuation of wounded civilians of which some died before they could be evacuated

2011: Gaddafi cuts off water and electricity and humanitarian supply routes to rebel held areas
2011: gaddafi poisons wells in Nafousa Mountains that supply civilian areas
2011: Gaddafi sets snipers up on Tripoli street in misrata, giving them the order to leave nothing and no one alive.
2011: Gaddafi indiscriminately shells civilian neighborhoods with weapons not intended for use in urban civilian areas due to inaccuracy
2011: gaddafi indiscriminately shells Misrata port and kills 5 migrants

2011: Gaddafi uses illegal cluster bombs in urban areas
2011: gaddafi use schoolboy conscripts between the ages of 15-19 and forced them to fight. They were shot if they tried to run away
2011: Gaddafi’s snipers shoot anyone who tries to get bread(even a little boy)
2011: Gaddafi shells a bread que and kills 25 people.

these are just the confirmed ones
imgaine the unconfirmed ones and the ones we have yet to here about


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-0

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:46 AM
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43. Obama administration invites Libyan opposition to White House for meetings Friday
Obama administration invites Libyan opposition to White House for meetings Friday

By Associated Press, Updated: Thursday, May 12, 4:52 PM

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is inviting representatives of Libya’s opposition group to the White House Friday.

The White House says Mahmoud Jibril and a delegation from the Libyan Transitional National Council will meet with National Security Adviser Tom Donilon and members of Congress. A meeting with President Barack Obama didn’t appear to be part of the delegation’s schedule.

Jibril is the president of the Council, which opposes longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi. Jibril met with Sen. John Kerry this week. Kerry says he is writing legislation at the request of the White House to free up some of Gadhafi’s frozen assets for use by the opposition forces.

Jibril has said he wants to convey to Americans the group’s dream of building a democratic Libya.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-administration-invites-libyan-opposition-to-white-house-for-meetings-friday/2011/05/12/AFSy4HzG_story.html

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:51 PM
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45. Expats leave good life behind to join Libyan revolution
Expats leave good life behind to join Libyan revolution
By Sara Sidner, CNN
May 12, 2011 -- Updated 1624 GMT (0024 HKT)

Benghazi, Libya (CNN) -- Twenty-eight-year-old Bashir says he used to have an idyllic life: A well-paid job as a software developer, good friends and comfortable surroundings in Canada.

"I'm a guy who smokes, listens to rock and roll, and enjoys my life," he says.

Now he's sleeping in a tent, eating rationed food and learning to shoot a rocket-propelled grenade (RPG), among other weapons, in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi in Libya.

Bashir is originally from the capitol Tripoli. His family members still live there. He is one of several men in a newly formed fighting unit made up of others who decided to return to their homeland to fight against Moammar Gadhafi's regime.

more expats...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/12/libya.benghazi.rebels.gadhafi/

with video!: http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/05/12/sidner.libya.freedom.fighters.cnn



That's just too good.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:12 PM
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46. rec
I think Gaddafi sowed the seeds of his own undoing. Many people found his country unbearable, and moved to other countries where they not only experienced freedom but also became skilled in various professions.

This is NOT Iraq or Afghanistan, where the US fought on the ground "on behalf" of the citizens to impose a government on those countries.

The people on the ground are Libyans fighting for themselves to remove Gaddafi.

The only thing that NATO is doing is removing the weaponry that is being used to slaughter citizens.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:23 PM
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47. Libyan rebels deny Misrata is under their control
Libyan rebels deny Misrata is under their control
From Amir Ahmed, CNN
May 12, 2011 -- Updated 1625 GMT (0025 HKT)

Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The status of the besieged Libyan city of Misrata was in question Thursday, with representatives of the opposition Transitional National Council and rebels in the city giving different accounts of who controls the strategic town.

Abdul Hafiz Ghoga, a spokesman for the council, told reporters in Benghazi on Thursday that all of Misrata has been "liberated."

However, two spokesmen for the Libyan rebels disputed that statement, saying forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi were still in control of Misrata's eastern gate, as well as the gate leading to the nearby town of Zlaitin, where clashes occurred Thursday but no casualties resulted.

One spokesman, who asked to be identified only as Mohamed, said rebels are controlling Misrata's airport and civil defense base, which are about 17 kilometers (10 miles) away from the city center.

more...
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/12/libya.war/index.html

video report:
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2011/05/11/exp.ac.colvin.misrata.libya.cnn


As things move quickly, perhaps the title is out of date, but this is the report that AC has been tweeting about and trying to get for a couple of days. It was worth the wait.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:40 PM
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48. Andy Carvin tweets Jibril at Brookings
It's likely that these are similar to the points that will be discussed at WH. I looked for a video, but no find can do.

http://twitter.com/#!/acarvin
acarvin Andy Carvin
Mahmoud Jibril enters the room with Ken Pollack from Brookings. #ntc #libya
vor 1 Stunde

Mahmoud Jibril is the prime minister and chair of the Libyan National Transitional Council's executive board.

Jibril: What's taking place is a natural result of globalization that began in the 80s, a new cultural paradigm.
Jibril: What's happening in #Libya can't be separated from what's happening in Egypt, Yemen, Syria, etc.
Jibril: And this trend is irreversible. Freedom of expression, participatory democracy.
Jibril: It's in the US strategic interest to pay close attention to what's going on. Overall foreign policy should be revisited.
Jibril: Communication is the name of the game. Knowledge is spreading like hell.
Jibril: Mass communications is going to affect our lives more than ever - access to information, etc.
Jibril: What started on #feb17 was the start of the revolution.
Jibril: Those kids who took to the streets were peaceful, and they demanded dignity, rights, education, a better future.
Jibril: Unemployment exceeds 30% yet there is vast wealth due to oil revenue. There is mass deprivation of the people.
Jibril: This generation has no fear whatsoever. Completely different from previous gen, where fear was a central value.
Jibril: The first group of martyrs became the fuel of the revolution.
Jibril: Different parts of society to came to march in the streets. Regime new they lacked personnel to put it down.
Jibril: They concluded that killing more protesters would attract intl involvement, which would rally Libyans around Gaddafi.
Jibril: We tried from the beginning to create some sort of structure to counter Gaddafi's arguments about Al Qaeda, etc.
Jibril: The first goal was to communicate to the outside world that #Libya is one country. One history, one future, capital in Tripoli.
Jibril: the is not a political org. We're an interim administrative org until the regime falls. Then the people decide leaders.
Jibril: the represents all Libyan territory. Reps from south and west now heading to Benghazi to join the council.
Jibril: There are now 14 ministries to serve whatever needs the people have. But we're facing an acute financial problem.
Jibril: I want to thank the US and the free world for taking this stand against tyrrany.
Jibril: This revolution started as a peaceful one. Arms was forced upon us b/c of this genocide, this killing machine.
Jibril: Estimates suggest at least 11k people have been killed in the last 12 weeks; 750k people have fled the country.
Jibril: We are very optimistic about the future. The people in Misurata fought back Gaddafi forces and are now marching west.
Jibril: Active uprisings have been happening in Tripoli over the last week.
Jibril: Our people are breaking the sieges that exist in the western mountains, so they too can march on Tripoli.
Jibril: I think there's a lot at stake for the US and free world who came to our aid. We can serve as a model to others.
Jibril: We can be a model not just for the Arab world, but for Africa. Developing real democratic models that can be imitated.
Jibril: Libya can again be the bridge between Europe and Africa when it comes to development.
Jibril: I disagree there is a military stalemate on the ground.
Jibril: People say the opposition can't end this militarily. I would argue the *regime* can't end it militarily.
Jibril: Freedom fighters are marching to Tripoli.
Jibril: When the right of power fights the power of right, the power of right always wins.
Jibril: You'll see in the coming weeks there's still more ground to be gained by freedom fighters.
Jibril: Gaddafi only has two powers left: the power to kill and the power to bribe. We need to stop the former right now.
Jibril: A ceasefire would be a partition of the country, which we completely reject.
Jibril: There's better protection of civilians, freedom fighters are gaining more ground and getting more confident.
Jibril: The ICC arrest warrant will be real political pressure on Gaddafi. Squeezing and strangling the regime.
Jibril: Hopefully in the next few weeks we'll see a total collapse of the regime from within.
Jibril: A political solution would have to protect and highlight the rights of the Libyan people.
Jibril: The Turkish proposal is promising and could be a viable means for negotiating, incl departure of Gaddafi.
Jibril: The Turkish proposal is more comprehensive, covers both a ceasefire and a departure of the Gaddafi family.
Jibril: Any political solution must be compatible with the aspirations of the entire Libyan people.
Jibril: If I meet Obama, I'd really thank him for the role the US has played, and strongly urge him to play a more active role.
Ken Pollack: OK, that's a rather cryptic answer, but we'll have to live with that. (Oh, come on Ken, push for details!) :-)
Jibril: There should be an interim govt incl members, technocrats from previous regime, supreme court judge, mil, civ society.
Jibril: We are running out of money. We have people under siege, or living as refuges. We have a human tragedy in the making.
Jibril: They can't release the money yet b/c we're not recognized as the official new govt, even though Gaddafi called illegit.
Jibril: We've worked it out with Qatar, Italy, France. Other countries with recognize us in the next few days.
Jibril: Sen Kerry is trying to create legislation to release money to us. But we're going to need around $3 bil.
Jibril: So keep most of our assets as collateral and let us access the other money to get the job done.
Jibril: If these finance issues continue for another 5-6 weeks, it might be too later.
Jibril: We'll call for elections only after the fall of the regime, the constitution is drafted and the people approve it.
Jibril: Re: NATO, we're talking about protecting civilians. The resolution states this by any measures necessary.
Jibril: NATO's strikes lately are more successful, more responsive. There were some complaints before.
Jibril: NATO is more active now re: carrying out the UNSC resolution.
Jibril: is an administrative body. When it's time to decide Libya's rulers, that should be a fully democratic process.
Jibril: We don't have a timetable (re Tripoli); the freedom fighters need to defend themselves, too.
Jibril: It's self defense. They're getting slaughtered day and night. It's a peaceful revolution, not an armed struggled.
Jibril: They're being forced to do whatever to defend themselves. But this is still a peaceful revolution
Jibril hopes the US will free up $180 million for opposition use.
Jibril: We are seeking every type of assistance from our Arab brothers. Qatar has done that immensely, as has UAE.
Audience member asks Jibril to name which Arab countries are supplying the opposition with weapons. He avoids the question quite nimbly.
Jibril: Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco are helping as well. So I can't just single out one country. I thank all of them.
Jibril: We have a depleted commodity. We have only oil, and it won't last forever. We have to think of an alternative economy.
Jibril: Our future economy must be based on our geographic positioning and in areas we can be competitive in.
Jibril: We can become a service economy based on knowledge, a new education philosophy.
Jibril: There needs to be an independent judiciary; we're talking about accountability and transparency.
Jibril: Reaching that stage is a must. We're facing a number of challenges, including a demographic challenge. Population down.
Jibril: Egypt will have 117 mil people by the time we get to 2025, while Libya will be just 8.1 mil.
Jibril: The scarcity of water is also a challenge. We've got the worst access in the region
Jibril: And people don't respect the state any more. There's been a lack of rule of law. We need to restore both.
Jibril: We're in a state of nature right now; all against all. If we don't rebuild the state, we could become a failed state.
Jibril: We have the financial resources. We just need the right vision and the political will to do it.
And that's a wrap. Will be interesting to hear how his meeting at the White House goes tomorrow.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:48 PM
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49. Video allegedly taken from mercenary after Misurata victory shows man taking pot shots out a window
8:11pm

YouTube user freeeeelibyan posted the following video, claiming it shows a mercenary loyal to Muammar Gaddafi "killing Libyans" as he fires an assault rifle out a window. The video was found on a mercenary after their defeat in Misurata, the description says.

The man filming the video asks the shooter what he's doing, and the shooter responds: "Wait and you'll see."

"Show me how you're going to do it," the cameraman says.

The shooter then points his gun out the window.

"Can you see him now?" the cameraman asks. "Today is the 14th, they said its liberation day, it's you or us."

Then: "Fire! Fire"

The video cuts, then the shooter says, "He's gone, gone." It's unclear who they're talking about, but both men ask Allah to have mercy on him.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-0#update-35821

http://youtu.be/wfHl8IW8my8
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:34 PM
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50. I swear we posted one nearly identical
Edited on Thu May-12-11 03:05 PM by Iterate
a couple of weeks ago, if that. It's bugging me, I have to find it. BRB.

Not found. I know I've seen it, but not in that exact cut.

Here's more evidence. Similar, but from a rooftop. Looks like it might be from near the AF college.

LIBYA Misrata,,snipers 29 04 2011
http://youtu.be/lUD_0t9EJLY

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:37 PM
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51. Pressure mounts on Gadhafi within Libya's capital



By DIAA HADID and MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press – 4 mins ago


TRIPOLI, Libya – Pressure is mounting on Moammar Gadhafi from within his stronghold in the Libyan capital, with increasing NATO airstrikes and worsening shortages of fuel and goods. Residents said Thursday there has also been a wave of anti-government protests in several Tripoli neighborhoods this week — dissent that in the past has been met with zero tolerance and brutal force.

...


A local journalist and another resident in Tripoli, reached by telephone from Egypt, told The Associated Press that there have been protests this week in at least three neighborhoods in the capital, accompanied by exchanges of gunfire between opposition activists and Gadhafi forces. Both spoke only on condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisals.


When residents of Tripoli tried to protest against Gadhafi earlier in the uprising, gunmen in speeding cars tore through and fired wildly into the crowds, making many fearful to go out in the streets and demonstrate.


...


The head of the rebels' transitional government, Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, said during a high-level visit to London on Thursday that Gadhafi opponents in Tripoli were in the process of acquiring weapons and predicted they would eventually contest regime forces in the capital.


"Tripoli is surrounded both internally and externally, and every day its sons go out and execute a few limited operations, perhaps to acquire some weapons," Abdul-Jalil said. "Tripoli will rise to get rid of this regime."


...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110512/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_libya








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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:42 PM
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52. Libyan FM: Libya will not try to retake rebel East
This is the first newsworthy thing the Libyan government has said since Gaddafi announced there would be "no mercy" on Benghazi. This is a huge public concession, and clearly an attempt by the Government to open the door for a negotiated solution. I suspect the intent is for this statement to create pressure on the rebels to stop their advances.

Of course, it is easy to say you will not try to retake the rebel East when your only army anywhere near there is surrounded, starving and has run out of petrol to even attempt an escape, and the city you thought you would seize 2 months ago is now marching on you.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jTe1aW9ttRo7Rh-DE3NUIXcgb9mA?docId=CNG.5a8628d68aaad3951a53bfe874d45f6c.901

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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:50 PM
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53. Well stated, sir
It's a clear indication that they know which way the wind's now blowing.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:16 PM
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54. Gerhard Heinz 40 minutes ago
Edited on Thu May-12-11 04:18 PM by tabatha
sorry for quick typing
presswill bring the info about turn of big parts of the army tomorrow or saturday.
i get the info in from other source 2 hours ago
from a friend in abu dhabi


free2man 1 hour ago
Libyan4life Jeel Ghathub "I announce my split from the regime and my joining and wholehearted support for the #Feb17 revolution"-- Air force brigadier Ammar Bilqasem
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:24 PM
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59. Libyan military attache joins rebel ranks - TV
12 May 2011 19:01

Source: reuters // Reuters

CAIRO, May 12 (Reuters) - A Libyan military attache at the country's embassy in the United Arab Emirates told Al Arabiya television on Thursday he was quitting his post to join the rebel ranks.

"I announce my split from the regime and my joining and wholehearted support for the February 17 revolution," said air force brigadier Ammar Bilqasem, who was wearing a badge of the rebel flag on the lapel of his jacket.

"Victory is near," he said. (Reporting by Isabel Coles; editing by David Stamp)

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/libyan-military-attache-joins-rebel-ranks-tv/
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:24 PM
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55. Cdn warship helps thwart Libyan attack
MISRATA, Libya - A Canadian warship has helped fend off an attack by Libyan forces on the port city of Misrata despite coming under fire itself.

A statement from NATO says the frigate HMCS Charlottetown was conducting patrols with other allied vessels when a number of fast small boats launched an attack.

The statement says the Charlottetown acted with a British Destroyer and was supported by a French warship as it forced the boats to abandon their attack.

The frigate came under fire during the incident in what NATO describes as artillery and anti-aircraft canon fire from regime forces ashore.

http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/canada/article/858912--cdn-warship-helps-thwart-libyan-attack
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:26 PM
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56. Heinz way out on a limb
Claims huge defections within next two days. Another credible poster on the AJE blog pegs Gaddafi's remaining troops at 5-7k with maybe that many militia and mercs on top of that. I think the number is bigger.

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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:30 PM
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57. Jabril on CNN now /nt
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:39 PM
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58. Yosarian's estimates
Here are my estimates of troop strength, based on a combination of progress of forces, estimates of troop strength to date, the size of the front, and piecing together stories, plus what I pulled out of my butt:

Eastern Front:

Brega: 4K+ of Gaddafi's best remaining soldiers, plus another 2-3k of militia and other. Stranded and hungry, and getting bombed out daily. There were probably many more two weeks ago, but NATO, rebels and desertion took that number down. No longer capable of offensive manuevers.

Sirte: 1k or so Gaddafi forces trying not to get annihilated.

Ajdabiya: 10k rebel militia, maybe half that number actually in the city, and the rest nearby up the coast. Well armed, increasingly well trained.

Ras Lanuf: 1-2k of rebel militia. just enough to slow down Gaddafi troops trying to escape so NATO can bomb them out.

Sirte: reports of clashes between Gaddafi and rebels in Sirte. Not sure if true.

Mountains:

3k mercs with some regime artillery and soldiers, if that many. Barely functioning as a military force. Several dozen Libyan regime soldiers desert to Tunisia every day. Occasional artillery attacks on rebel towns but mostly just hunkering down and hoping this war ends soon.

5-6k rebel militia. Poorly armed but ferocious. Difficulty executing offensive actions more than a few miles from their home though, which is not unusual with these kind of units. Slowly clearing the mountains of Gaddafi troops.

Misurata/Zlitan:

3k Gaddafi troops that have been split in two. The troops east and south of the city are going to get cutoff if Gaddafi does not pull them back soon, and based on the Gaddafi kids' military performance to date, they are going to get cutoff. This number was much bigger two months ago. I bet there were 12k or more, including the vaunted Khamis brigade, attacking Misurata at the beginning of April. The Khamis brigade as constituted in March and early April, no longer exists. Khamis may have troops under his command, but they aren't the same ones he started with. Today was the first counter-attack by Gaddafi forces in over a week, and it was quickly crushed.

10k rebel militia, growing daily and likely getting reinforced from Benghazi. Half of this are probably the most experienced and effective fighting soldiers on either side in the entire country. The rebels are moving slowly and deliberately, but I do not think there is much between them and Tripoli.

Tripoli:

4k elite Gaddafi troops.
2k mercs
5k police, army, other security - these are completely unreliable for Gaddafi and will likely turn on him soon.

1-10k rebel guerrillas - probably a few hundred active now, potential to get this number into the thousands if things start to heat up. Gaddafi has abandoned the suburbs and many neighborhoods in the east of the city.

Totals:

Gaddafi: 24k, of which about 35% will desert or defect at the first opportunity and another 25% is isolated and essentially captured at Brega.

Rebels: 26-30k and growing every day, with a huge potential force within Tripoli that will rise up as rebels approach.

Gaddafi spread himself too thin, and will probably lose his mountain force, Brega and half his Misurata army within a week even if Tripoli doesn't fall by then.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:09 PM
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64. Interesting analysis, thanks /nt
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:29 PM
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60. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:30 AM FRIDAY, MAY 13
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:41 PM
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61. French security contractor killed at rebel checkpoint
Edited on Thu May-12-11 05:41 PM by tabatha
A French man working for a private security firm operating in Libya has died after being shot at a police checkpoint outside the Libyan rebel stronghold of Benghazi, the French Foreign Ministry said on Thursday.

....

In Paris, the Foreign Ministry gave no indication as to the men's identities and functions, as well as the reasons for their presence outside the rebel-controlled city.

According to King, Secopex has been operating in Libya for a while, providing private protection for certain people. “We don’t know why they were there, but what we do know about this town, Soluch, is that it’s not really safe. There are reports of pro-Gaddafi elements in that town,” King said.

Contacted by FRANCE 24, the French company Secopex declined to make any comments about the incident or the victim.

http://www.france24.com/en/20110512-french-security-contractor-dies-benghazi-libya-rebels-arrests#
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:44 PM
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62. A Libyan In Tunis: A Refugee's Story
In early March, a Tripoli resident who goes by the name of @abukhir on Twitter, disappeared from the Internet. For two weeks prior to that, before western journalists arrived in Libya, @abukhir had provided some of the most riveting citizen journalism to come out of the country. He uploaded photos of people making Molotov cocktails and military helicopters flying overhead. At one point, he even live-tweeted and recorded video of a shoot-out that happened outside his house, leaving bullet holes in his wall.

....


His fear of his birthplace being discovered was one of the primary reasons he left Libya. But there was more to it than that.

"I got out because I couldn't handle it," he told me. One of his friends had been kidnapped by Gadhafi forces in late April and hasn't been heard from since. And though it was relatively safe to go out in daylight, after dark was a whole other matter.

"In the night, everything goes crazy," @abukhir explained. He also added that small groups of anti-Gadhafi guerillas would go out at night and then disperse quickly — something that has been reported increasingly over the last week by other sources and news organizations.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/05/12/136251069/a-libyan-in-tunis-a-refugee-s-story
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:34 PM
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63. Libya Rebels Advance on Oil Town Brega
Source: Bloomberg



By Steve Bryant and Mariam Fam - May 12, 2011 9:45 AM PT


Libyan rebels are making gains in the three-month conflict against Muammar Qaddafi’s troops, advancing on the strategic oil town of Brega along the central coast after fighters took control of the airport in Misrata.


The rebels, who control most of eastern Libya, also say they are pushing westward from Misrata, which lies about 180 kilometers (116 miles) east of Tripoli, the capital. Jet fighters from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization hit Tripoli at least four times overnight, the Associated Press said.


“The rebels may be getting the upper hand because of external support, but it is too early to call,” Theodore Karasik, director of research at the Dubai-based Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis, said in response to e- mailed questions. “We have to wait to see if another brick wall emerges. Qaddafi may have more tricks up his sleeve.”

...


“The revolutionary forces in Misrata have achieved successive victories as a result of shipments of light weapons that they were able to obtain,” Jalil said. “If we have the minimum amount of armaments for our fighters in Misrata, az- Zawiya and Zuwarah, then this will have a great impact on the revolution within Tripoli. This is what we are hoping for.”

...


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-12/libya-rebels-advance-toward-brega-after-taking-control-of-misrata-airport.html








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65. Day 85 here:
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