Good bye and best wishes Oprah!!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

Thanks for 25 years :)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. no love for Oprah around here?

:shrug:

[RebelOne]

3. I watched her final show today and teared up.

I've never been a big fan of Oprah's, but she has done some really good works for people everywhere. I occasionally tune into her show, and she had some great guests.

[Liberal_in_LA]

53. love but oversaturation this week

[postulater]

2. Never saw one show.

[Prometheus Bound]

50. I tried a few times, but only lasted a couple of minutes.

That's not intended to criticize her show in particular. I haven't been able to watch more than five minutes of a sit-com or the news in the last two decades either.

[warrior1]

4. I saw a few, but

I just was not in to her.

[Taverner]

5. How was her last show?

Anything of note to report?

[warrior1]

29. I tried watching that last show. I lasted about 15 minutes.

sorry it's just not for me. It was unwatchable. Some things are just not for everyone.

[pnwmom]

52. "Some things are just not for everyone." Quite true!

I think that every time my husband turns some game on . . .

[cleanhippie]

6. And thanks for allowing Jenny McCarthy to spread her anti-vaccination nonsense.

Good riddance, I say.

[Ikonoklast]

7. Didn't Oprah shill for that fake 'Dr.' Phil?

Isn't she the reason that buffoon was released on the world?

[pnwmom]

11. Yeah, let's all hate on the most successful black woman in American history.

Of course that's what we'd do.

:sarcasm:

[tabasco]

12. Bit of over-reaction, I'd say.

There's no law that everyone must agree with you.

[pnwmom]

13. Based on years of seeing gratuitous anti-Oprah posts here.n/t

[Capitalocracy]

15. My distaste for fake doctors and snake oil salesmen

has nothing to do with skin color. Why would you even suggest that it does?

[pnwmom]

16. She had thousands and thousands of guests. So you didn't like a few of them.

Big deal.

[Capitalocracy]

17. Maybe not for you.

I think those people do a lot of damage and I'll call people out who help them do it.

[Ikonoklast]

19. I see that she bankrolled 'Dr.' Phil and her production company made money off of him.

I don't care about Oprah one way or another, to tell you the truth, I never watched her show once.

I was commenting on one thing she did that I didn't particularly care for. 'Dr.' Phil is a pompous fraud and a gasbag.

In the end, Oprah was all about Oprah making money, just like the every other 'personality' on TV.

I am neither glad nor mad that she was successful.

[pnwmom]

21. You never watched her show once. Yet you came here to criticize her.

Interesting.

[Ikonoklast]

22. Yes, this is called a discussion forum.

I made one comment on one thing that she did that I found distasteful, it is common knowledge that she launched 'Dr.' Phil in his career of carnival barking.

I am not emotionally invested in Oprah one way or another, as you seem to be, and take personal affront at a rather mild criticism aimed at someone that doesn't even know you exist.

I don't understand the cult of celebrity, and never will.

[pnwmom]

24. I wrote another post on why I appreciate her.

I'm not a cult member, but I think she accomplished some good things. And during thousands of hours of shows, she's not going to appeal to everybody. I don't care for Dr. Phil either -- but so what.

She also helped put Obama in the White House, and I'm grateful for everyone who helped in that effort.

[Ikonoklast]

25. I don't watch very much tv, my exposure to whatever she accomplished is limited.

However, I do know that she is very charitable, and has done a great deal of good with her money, she gave back lots to Chicago and many underprivileged kids have been helped by her generosity.

[cleanhippie]

31. "emotionally invested". I think you nailed it right there.

[cleanhippie]

30. And preventable childhood diseases are making a comeback in some part due to those guests.

Big deal, right?

[pnwmom]

34. The data shows that is NOT true.

Childhood vaccination rates in the U.S. are as high today as they ever have been. (There was some decline in England due to vaccine controversy, but not here.)

The CDC has explained that the reason for more cases of pertussis in California is not because of lower childhood vaccination rates, but because the childhood vaccines for pertussis eventually wear off. That is why they're now recommending an ADULT version of the pertussis vaccine. Because it's ADULTS and TEENS who are transmitting pertussis to babies.

When was the last time you had a pertussis vaccine? If you haven't had the adult version, then you're part of the problem.

[cleanhippie]

35. Last year, thank you very much.

In fact, until Oprah and Jenny did their thing, I really didn't know much about the whole "controversy". Boy, was I surprised to find what was really going on, and you are partly right, which is why I got my adult vaccine when out daughter was born. Perhaps if Oprah had NOT have had Jenny on, I may not even have known!?

[pnwmom]

41. I'm glad you did that because it made your daughter safer.

Everyone who can safely get the vaccine should do so because it helps all babies who are too young to be vaccinated -- or can't be vaccinated.

Unfortunately, not EVERY child can safely get EVERY vaccine. For example, Hannah Poling.

For another example, my sister -- who developed encephalitis within 12 hours of receiving her 3rd DPT vaccine at her well-baby check-up -- and died the next day. I only found this out after my son had seizures following his second DPT (non-febrile seizures -- his temp was only 102); and after my niece had a temp over 105 with her last DPT. That's when my mother told me about how my sister had died. (She had never mentioned the vaccine before, because no doctor had acted like it was important.) It's also when she told me that two of HER younger cousins had had reactions to the DTP, but their parents were told that the vaccine had been part of a "bad batch." One of the cousins had died and one had been permanently paralyzed.

So after the third cousin in my children's generation had seizures or a high fever after the DPT, three different pediatricians all started leaving out the pertussis part of the vaccine (but giving all the others). No more problems.

[cleanhippie]

27. Its the only way she can even THINK about defending Oprah for the platform she gave these quacks.

She knows it was wrong, but her love of Oprah is so strong she has to try and make Oprah's race the issue, which it CLEARLY is not.

[pnwmom]

36. I'm not saying you are criticizing her for her race.

I'm saying that she has accomplished a great deal, despite the barriers placed on her by her race and her gender. And that she deserves some recognition for helping to break the glass ceiling for minority women and women in general.

But rather than giving her credit for that, you'd rather focus on a few guests she had -- over thousands of hours of shows -- that you didn't care for.

[cleanhippie]

40. I feel you did.

[cleanhippie]

26. Ok, lets.

She gave a national platform to some quacks and shady characters. Her success is partly based on that and the fact that people eat shit like that up.

I'd say a bit of hating is in order.


But not because she is black, but nice try to play the race card. Fail.

[pnwmom]

33. She gave a national platform to thousands of people.

So some of them were less than wonderful. That's to be expected when you have hundreds of hours to fill each year.

I strongly appreciated her "book club" and her efforts to encourage authors and reading. Millions of books by authors such as Ursula Hegi reached a wider audience thanks to her.

And, in economic terms, she is the most successful African American woman in history -- and a role model for millions of younger women. That's not playing the race card. That's a fact.

[cleanhippie]

38. You seem to have misunderstood me.

I do not hate Oprah, her show, her money, or anything about her. but what I DO hate is that she had people on who caused considerable harm, and even after the effects were shown, she never acknowledged it at all or CORRECTED the misinformation.

She lambasted that guy who made up his book, even had him back on to apologize. That was the right thing to do.

Why didn't she do that for the other people who REALLY did some harm? THAT is what I am hating on. You feel me?

[pnwmom]

43. Jennie McCarthy hasn't had any effect on vaccination rates in this country.

The vaccination rates never dipped -- they continued to go up during the period in question, and they've stayed at a very high rate ever since. (Vaccination rates dropped in Britain in response to the Andrew Wakefield fraud, but never here.)

I don't blame Jennie McCarthy for asking her questions. Any parent who saw her child change overnight, immediately after receiving a vaccine, would have these questions.

I strongly believe -- and so do many researchers in the field -- that there are some children who are susceptible to damaging effects from certain vaccines. Was Garth's son one of them? There's no way to know. But the NIH is funding millions of dollars in research to try to determine which subgroups in the general population are susceptible to this kind of damage, and I applaud them for this.

[cleanhippie]

46. Oh, come on! She spearheaded a huge anti-vaccine movement that we are STILL fighting against.

And Jenny DIDN'T just ask questions. We both know what she did, it was more than just "asking questions." and what she did was despicable.

[pnwmom]

47. The publicity she drew also helped motivate the government into doing needed research.

Just as, in years past, others who had vaccine concerns helped motivate the government to encourage the drug companies to develop a safer DPT vaccine (as opposed to the one that killed my sister).

Good for all of them.

[cleanhippie]

49. I guess thats one way of looking at it.

[pnwmom]

55. Could our different reactions to Oprah be partly generational?

I'm guessing that you've practically grown up with Oprah always being there, in the background. It's probably a lot easier for younger people to take her accomplishments for granted.

Whereas, for someone my age, what she did was pretty monumental.

[cleanhippie]

58. I'm in my 40's, so...?

Perhaps.

But nonetheless, I am glad we were able to work through our differences and come to an understanding.

:fistbump:

[pnwmom]

59. You're a baby, then.

Just kidding.

Still, if you were only 20 (or even younger) then, it might have seemed like no big deal when she started her show. But really, she broke some huge barriers. Isn't it great that she accomplished so much that people growing up now just take it for granted?

:hi:

[Capitalocracy]

14. Where will quacks go to shill their snake oil now?

Well, I guess there's always the internets.

[chaplainM]

20. also Brazilian 'psychic surgeon!'

Don't forget how she shilled for John Edward, and his cynical exploitation of grieving parents.

[AsahinaKimi]

8. Day time TV was never my thing...

Nor Night time either, for that matter.

[Shagbark Hickory]

9. No more Oprah. Shame she had to desert us like this during our hour of need.

:silly:

[pnwmom]

10. I will always appreciate her for breaking her no-endorsement policy

and strongly endorsing President Obama.

I also appreciate the way she promoted authors on her show, including the Book Club.

[ThatsMyBarack]

18. I was watching the last Oprah this morning.

At the last quarter of it, the cable went out. :(

Here in Chicago, it's slated to be repeated at 11 pm. I hope my DVR is timed right! :)

[Bravo Zulu]

23. What's an oprah?

[EFerrari]

28. Oprah supports Education deform.

As an out of work teacher, how can I wish her well?

[Odin2005]

32. She likes Jenny McCarthy, that's enough to put her on my shit list.

[RebelOne]

39. Yeah, and she also likes Barack Obama and Maria Shriver.

So, does that count on your shit list?

[pnwmom]

44. Out of thousands of hours of guests? It obviously doesn't take

much for someone to land on your list.

[Suich]

37. I'm with you, Tuesday Afternoon!

I thought about starting a thread but knew it would turn into something like it has!

I was a big Oprah fan. The book club was great and the "grateful journal" was life-changing for me.

I'm sad to see her go and wish her well.



:toast:

[underpants]

42. Oprah is great. She took feminism to the expectation level.

Women should expect more for their accomplishments and Oprah conveyed that and presented things and things to do to fulfill themselves. We should all appreciate that.

She also stopped as talk shows went WAY trashy and profited from it. Good for her. She could have fights everyday like Bey, Springer, etc.

She also brought talking about reading (thereby promoting it) into vogue. Good for her.

There is nothing wrong with class and respect and she made it the norm.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

45. She ended her program mid week?

I wonder what the reasoning was behind that? Seems odd, but I guess she can do what she likes. :shrug:

Edit to add: Bye to her and all she did for her viewers. No disrespect was intended by my first comment. I was just taken by surprise to find out her show ended before her last week was over. :hi:

[Shagbark Hickory]

48. 3 day weekend approaching. nt

[Lone_Star_Dem]

54. Of course!

That makes sense. I work over holiday weekends (service industry) so I often forget such things.

Thanks! :hi:

[Raine]

51. Best wishes to Oprah with her new network.

:-) THANKS for all the great programming and the enjoyment your shows gave to many of us! :applause:

[Logical]

56. She was way too pro "pseudo science" for me. But great for helping women and minorities....

make a big impact on television.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

57. Thanks Oprah for being a cheerleader for senseless wars.

[GoneOffShore]

60. Goodbye Oprah and thanks for all the woo.

Worked on a movie set with her.

Entitled and nasty.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

61. 140 k and r

Oprah must have done something right.

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