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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:30 PM
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South Carolina man says new photo ID law will prevent him from voting
Source: RawReplay
By David Edwards

Larry Butler told SC Progressive Network that South Carolina’s new voter photo ID law will prevent him from voting. The state won’t issue him a driver’s license because he can’t produce the necessary documentation. Butler does not have a birth certificate because he was not born in a hospital and the elementary school he attended burnt down many years ago so the required records are not available.

Opponents argue that voter photo ID laws unfairly target minorities and the poor who are less likely to have photo identification.

Watch this video from SC Progressive Network, uploaded June 7, 2011.

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/south-carolina-man-says-new-photo-id-law-will-prevent-him-from-voting/
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RT Atlanta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:38 PM
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1. Exactly what's intended by this type of law
if this ruffian cannot produce the necessary documentation for a photo ID, he's surely not worthy of participating as a voter; probably couldnt even pay his poll-tax (if we still had 'em)

:sarcasm:

In all seriousness, that's unfortunate and surely not the last person that will be disenfranchised by this type of law (exactly what the 'pukes were hoping to achieve).
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:43 PM
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2. so he gets through life without any kind of photo id? does he have a job, cash checks, drive?
Most states will give you a free photo id and I find it hard to believe that he cannot get one somehow.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:51 PM
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4. Those free state photo ids still require the same documentation.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 10:53 PM
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17. And in some states those photo IDs are NOT free!
In Florida they cost $25 to get and $25 to renew. I'm not sure how long they are good for.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 10:58 PM
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18. How is any of that relevant to the fact that he's being disenfranchised?
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:51 PM
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3. Voting is the least of his problems then.
He can't fly, he can't use a credit card in many places, he can't open a checking account, he can't cash an check, he can't drive, etc.

Forget about voting, how does this guy live?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:09 PM
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6. He has probably lived in the same town his whole life, and does business
pretty much exclusively with people who have known him forever.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:14 PM
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11.  What happens when those people who've known him forever retire?
Or leave, or new business take over old ones?

He can have no government assistance, no passport, no travel.

Like I said, his problems are much bigger than not being able to vote. He needs to get that fixed in order to live.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 10:45 PM
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15. Correct, but he's probably so old already that those who knew him as a boy are gone.
This should have been taken care of years ago. There are procedures in place. Used to be LOTS of people didn't have official birth records and had to have people attest to witnessing it.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 10:49 PM
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16. That's no excuse to disenfranchise him
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:08 PM
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5. Can't even get a passport to leave this shithole of a country.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:09 PM
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7. Wouldn't a birth certificate be registered with a county clerk?
Edited on Wed Jun-08-11 01:09 PM by Renew Deal
I thought you needed one even if you weren't born in a hospital. Maybe it was different in the old days.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:10 PM
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8. Supposed to be, but if he was born at home, it's possible
his parents never got around to registering his birth.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:12 PM
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9. I don't know his age, but he looks pretty elderly.
My grandmother was born at home in rural north Florida. She didn't get a "birth certificate" until she was an adult. I put it in quotation marks because I'm fairly certain what she got wouldn't hold up to Tea Party standards.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:12 PM
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10. No, if he wasn't born in a hospital or had a midwife at the birth.
My ex-husband was born out in the country in Alabama. He never had a birth certificate and his birth was never registered. His mother was a dumb country girl who did not even know she was pregnant. But he never had any problems getting any ID or drivers license.
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SouthernLiberal Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:36 PM
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12. But now the rules have changed
First, we had the impact of the so-called 'Real ID', which required states to make identifying yourself in order to get a driver's license or state-issued id harder. I'm pretty sure this originated before the 'you're a terrorist until you can prove you're not' movement, so it's probably of the 'keep those illegal aliens from getting id' variety. South Carolina 'opted out' whatever that means, but does require proof of citizenship.

Still, though, this law here in SC isn't about preventing voter fraud, because when asked about the so called problem, a supporter of the bill in the state legislature referred only to the amount of news about voter fraud, and said that he didn't think South Carolina was exempt. In short, he did not know of a single case of voter fraud that would have been prevented by this law.

Even in the news, I have never heard of any such case. It's all rumors.

I am convinced that this is all a a stunt to with the goal of preventing likely Democratic voters from being able to cast their vote.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 02:30 PM
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14. Not everywhere. In my hometown, these records are in the city hall.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 02:29 PM
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13. I thought the Mormons had all these records on microfilm
So, they could baptize you by proxy as Mormons without your knowledge or permission.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 11:00 PM
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19. .
Edited on Wed Jun-08-11 11:03 PM by Hippo_Tron
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