When you screw up with your SO, do you immediately point to others

[Zywiec]

that have also screwed up?

I've noticed a pattern here of constantly referencing others to excuse one's behavior.

Just curious as to how this works in your personal lives.

[seabeyond]

1. no. that is why i cannot/do not even think this way on du. my kids... kids

from a very young age learned that is not gonna fly. they cannot even get it out of their mouth before they shut it, it is so abhorrent to use that excuse

but but... so and so. i dont care

another one is

but i am not drinking or doing drugs.... WTF

didnt expect you to, not a pat on the back

but but i graduated, ya, ok, expected

[Zywiec]

2. I think you're right, it is very childish behavior

and not grounds for any solid argument.

[Phentex]

8. also from a very young age we taught them lying is worse...

sometimes than the actual event. Little kids might take something that's not theirs or break something they've been told not to mess with. When they lie about it, it creates doubt about other things they might tell you. We have always tried to be appreciative of the truth and respect them for that even when it might be very difficult for them to tell us.

I get lied to by the parents of our patients on a regular basis. Outright lied to. And I lose respect and am less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt "next" time.

[seabeyond]

9. again, you are right on. i have a brother that is a compulsive liar. ya know, we have native

american blood. wtf? no we dont. he lies about everything. things that dont matter at all. always on toes to pull out the lies. kids get it. and in this house, honesty gets a discussion.... lying gets ya mad.

they also see that both father and i dont lie. one reason is i dont do much to warrant the effort in a lie. other is, so what.... i am adult, i dont need to lie worrying about not being punished and another, setting a healthy good example for my boys. parenting. they learn that lack of need for lying. and behooves us not to. and how lousy we feel when we do. and end up being a bigger problem than telling truth.

[Whisp]

25. that is so important if not the most.

children not being afraid to tell you anything.

it makes such a difference for their whole lives.

[Dappleganger]

11. Same here, mine is fear of my kids.

They would throw that shit back in my face faster than I could make it up.

[WatsonT]

3. It's a very juvenile thought process

Seems to make sense in kindergarten. But adults should have realized that pointing out the flaws of others (even if accurate) in no way excuses your own faults.

[Zywiec]

4. And yet it seems to be one of the main arguments here. n/t

[WatsonT]

6. Indeed

seems there are a lot of kids on this site.

[Little Star]

23. If not kids, maybe just immature. Many of their arguments just...

don't make any sense.

[emilyg]

10. +10

[Chorophyll]

5. No, but I'm not a public figure in a political climate that is rife

with witch hunts.

(Assuming that the OP is a context-free reference to the Weiner.)

[uncle ray]

7. the ones calling for his head are comparing his behavior to their own.

the majority of the rest of us are calling for him behavior to be held to the same standard as other politicians who are still holding office, which is pretty low.

[seabeyond]

18. that is one of the issues with society today. how low do we go to meet the worst.

one of the worst, saddest thing obama did was not go after the illegalities of bushco. HE is responsible for allowing that bar to be lowered. now, that is where we are.

the same would be true with this.

i am not advocating weiner resign. but i do disagree with the very basis of your argument

[Dreamer Tatum]

12. I just shrug and say someone hacked me. nt

[Dappleganger]

13. People in power tend to take credit for successes and blame others for failure.

That's been this old lady's observation over the years.

[NeedleCast]

14. Yup, I Do This All The Time

Whenever I do something that my girl doesn't like, I just remind her that David Vitter also did something bad and expect immediate forgiveness.

[Zywiec]

15. I'm going to give this a try based on your experience.Thanks! n/t

[NeedleCast]

16. 70% of the time it works every time

[Dr. Strange]

17. I forgot to take out the trash on Friday.

When confronted, I told my wife that the trashcan had been stolen by Breitbart. After a week of trash piling up, I finally had to hold a press conference and come clean.

[spanone]

19. anthony weiner never pointed to anyone else and he's the one that matters in this case

[Little Star]

26. Anthony did say someone hacked him until he had to admit otherwise. n/t

[Fla_Democrat]

20. Hell yea, I remember back in the 90's

being caught in an embarrassing situation. My wife asked was I having sex with that woman.. and I replied....

Oh, hell, y'all know the joke. :evilgrin:







:smoke:

[ClarkUSA]

21. Furthermore, Republicans jettisoned Cliff Lee a few hours after his craigslist ad pics were revealed

They didn't whine about Bubba and his blow-job by and cigar dipping w/Monica Lewinsky in Lee's defense.

I guarantee you, had there had been multiple photos of Vitter dressed in a diaper with or without his erect penis bulging from it, he'd have been jettisoned in a NY minute, too.

[distantearlywarning]

22. Everybody does this today, on both the left and the right.

It kind of drives me crazy.

The conversation always goes like this:

Person A: "Congressman Joe Smith is a bad person!"

Person B: "It doesn't matter, because Congresswoman Jane Doe was bad first/bad too/still bad!"

Look, idiots - the fact that Jane is bad has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on anything about Joe. There is room for more than one bad person in the world (unfortunately). There is room for CRITICISM of more than one bad person in the world. It is completely irrational to attempt to justify or minimize the behavior of "your guy" by pointing out the behavior of "their guy", because those two things are completely unrelated.



See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

[ClarkUSA]

27. I disagree. Republicans did not do this in the very recent case of Cliff Lee.

They took him out after only a few hours of the craigslist photos hitting the press.

Most Democrats in Congress are not defending Weiner that way, either. I and other DUers sure didn't.

[JVS]

24. People aren't pointing to others to excuse it, they're pointing to others as examples of what...

the consequences can be.

If someone suggests that for jaywalking I should be punished as a felon, I sure as hell am going to point to the fact that other people got small fines or no punishment at all for jaywalking.

[Javaman]

28. All the time!

Especially when it comes to farting. I point to the dog right away!

Never works, but I try.