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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:29 AM
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Obama wants to extend payroll tax credit
news blip on MarketWatch...no further details.

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:33 AM
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1. Actually, the President said this during a presser during the last week or too, as well.
If you're talking about the "payroll tax holiday", anyway. That man really doesn't like Social Security.

PB
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:36 AM
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2. Maybe this is how he's going to "strengthen" Social Security. The less we fund it,
the stronger it will be?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:37 AM
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3. less is the new more?
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:38 AM
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4. +1
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:40 AM
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5. He's obsessed with the bankrupt concept of corporate trickle-down.
It's amazing.

PB
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:41 AM
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6. Another brilliant chess move? Why does Barack hate SS?
:shrug:
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:13 AM
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9. Why does this non-issue keep coming up? John Rother, Exec VP of AARP,
the Social Security Chief Actuary, and many other Socal Security advocates who should know have announced repeatedly that the payroll tax cut has NO impact on the Trust Fund or on individual workers' contribution histories. The Trust Fund is made whole by the Treasury, and it is as if the 2 percentage point cut in FICA never happened. See, for example, http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/social_security_payroll_taxes.pdf .

What trusted authorities can you cite to back up your assertions? Do you have ANY LINK?
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:24 AM
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10. Yes, I have links suggesting it's not a non-issue.
http://www.truth-out.org/subsidizing-profits-weakening-social-security-employer-payroll-tax-cut/1309872784

Subsidizing Profits, Weakening Social Security: The Employer Payroll Tax Cut
Dean Baker
Tuesday 5 July 2011

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One aspect of this tax cut that is not in dispute is that it raises important issues about the future of Social Security. And this is true whether the tax cut is on the employer side or employee side.

While the plans at present call for crediting the Social Security trust fund with the full amount that it would have received had there been no cut in the payroll tax, this is a departure from past practice in which the trust fund's revenue came entirely from the designated payroll tax or interest earned on bonds bought by the trust fund. The 2 percentage point employee-side payroll tax cut that is currently in place and any future cuts, imply that general revenue is now being used to finance Social Security.

There is nothing wrong with using general revenue for Social Security in principle, however, several Republicans have already indicated that they intend to use the revenue shortfall as an argument for cutting benefits. They may not get far in this effort, however, giving the Obama administration's openness to cuts in Social Security, it is dangerous to go down this path.

It is possible to give whatever cut is intended through a reduction in the payroll tax through an income tax cut or credit. There is no obvious reason to prefer that the cut be designated as a "payroll tax" cut, unless the point is to raise issues about Social Security. Presumably, this is why the Republicans insist that tax cuts take this form.

In short, the employer-side payroll tax cut is not only bad policy for boosting the economy; it also unnecessarily puts Social Security in jeopardy. This is one form of stimulus that we can certainly do without.

more...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/tax-cut-deal-a-hidden-thr_n_793983.html

Tax Cut Deal A Hidden Threat To Social Security
Ryan Grim
First Posted: 12- 8-10 03:42 PM | Updated: 12- 8-10 04:33 PM

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A White House official dismissed the concerns. "It is explicitly temporary and there's a general revenue transfer in the bill so it will not negatively impact the social security trust fund at all," he said.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), who chairs the Senate Subcommittee On Retirement and Aging, said she's concerned that the payroll cut will weaken Social Security and leave it vulnerable. "I'm concerned this could be the beginning of the slippery slope to getting rid of the payroll tax and cause a way of getting rid of Social Security as a public issue in the way of heading to privatization," she said. "I know it's been recommended by several economists, but this is really big. My question is, shouldn't this be viewed in a more shock wave kind of way?"

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, echoed Mikulski's concern. "On the surface, the payroll tax reduction of two percent is attractive, but when you get past the surface, it's deeply disturbing. Because what it means is we'll replace the loss of money from Social Security with general fund money, but in the past Social Security has been raided to help fund general fund programs. So how long will it be before somebody says Social Security is not sustainable and we need to cut the program?" he said. "I'm afraid we are feeding into a larger narrative that goes toward eliminating Social Security."

Stripping Social Security of payroll tax revenue will make the program appear less viable in projections, which currently gauge that it can pay full benefits until 2037 and roughly four-fifth of benefits over the next 50 years. That vulnerability can then be exploited.

"The difficulty you have here is you have a very large federal deficit and you've got a Social Security fund that really needs some work," said Johanns. "Social Security has got to be part of the mix . So stay tuned. There's a lot of stories to be written about that between now and a year from now."

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:14 PM
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11. And some DUers insist that Obama doesn't have a Magic Wand.
The money to make up for the shortfall in revenue from the Payroll Tax Holiday just appears by MAGIC!!!


Payroll Tax Holiday Directly Connects Social Security to The Deficit
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:22 PM
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12. whitehouse.gov IS a Campaign Site, no matter WHO is president.
The purpose of whitehouse.gov is to put the best possible spin on anything connected to the White House. Just like during a campaign, whitehouse.gov will distort, mislead, ignore, select, weasel, waffle, shake, rattle, and roll anything to make the White House look good.
That is what they are Paid to DO no matter WHO is sitting in the Oval office.
These guys would make Madison Ave blush.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 12:16 PM
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13. Any response to links provided?
nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:43 AM
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7. Surprise, surprise. nt
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:45 AM
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8. To Mr. Obama: NO. Try something that will help the vast majority of the
U.S. citizens in the long run. Please.
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