Ok... Could You At Least, Point To One Progressive Thing, That Obama Has FOUGHT FOR ???

[WillyT]

I leave the floor to you.

:shrug:

[B Calm]

1. The only thing I can think of is Cash for Clunkers. It saved thousands

of US manufacturing jobs. Could it have been better, yes!

[Jackpine Radical]

3. It did that, and it sure as hell caused the bigshots in the auto industry to prosper.

[EFerrari]

4. That did work well and credit is due.

It was homely and practical and it worked.

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. It also took tens of thousands of used cars out of the market, leaving those

at the lowest end of the spectrum unable to buy a car - like my daughter and SIL.

[leftstreet]

12. +1

[B Calm]

13. I don't know, I still see plenty of old clunkers around. . .

[leftstreet]

18. The cars from the 'clunker' program were destroyed, but they weren't old

and they were much nicer than the ones you're seeing on the road

[Gold Metal Flake]

105. They were NOT destroyed.

The engines were disabled the the blocks and heads forbidden for resale but the cars were sold you wrecking yards to be sold for parts.

[leftstreet]

109. How is that not destroying them? They weren't put into the 2nd market as cars

Duh

[Gold Metal Flake]

114. Sure, if you only consider their value as used cars.

The people who own used cars see the value of them as good used parts. Being able to slash your brake repair bill by pulling good, used rotors from a donor car, turning them and doing their own brake rebuild see it very differently. Those who can get good body parts to fix collision damage instead of buying new will be very appreciative of the influx of parts. C4C put a lot of good used parts into the dismantling yards for those people who need them: people with used cars who don't have a big car repair budget. A good used window motor can save a person tens of dollars over new. A good used differential can save a person hundreds over a rebuilt unit. A good used transmission can save a person thousands of dollars over a rebuilt unit. Injectors, exhaust manifolds, heater motors, windshield wiper motors, radiators, condensers, alternators, starter motors, window glass, interior parts, drive shafts, suspension parts, exhaust systems, electrical harnesses, engine management computers...

The cars were not destroyed immediately. They were harvested by those who needed the parts. This is very different than what you suggested and should be clear to anyone who is not completely ignorant about cars. Or, in other words, duh.

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. Sure, but with fewer of them on the road those which remain cost more -

that's the 'invisible hand' at work. My daughter's family was priced out of the market, being unable to come up with more than the next guy. No car, no work. No work, no money. No money, no car.

And he's a 99er, she hasn't worked since last year, except a couple weeks in January I think it was.

[Sheepshank]

51. oh baloney...not when there are still millions of old cars out there.

People wanting to unload cars for a quick sale for quick cash. The economy is still such that people are getting great deals on homes, cars, and other big ticket items. I just got a great little car for my new driver for 20% less than Edmunds says it's value is for private sale. I'm pleased as punch at that deal.

[RaleighNCDUer]

59. Well, if it is such baloney, maybe YOU would like to send them a thousand dollars

to buy a 4th hand car.

I wish I could.

[jwirr]

60. Those old cars belong to the people who could not afford to buy

in the Clunker plan. They will be driven until they are falling apart. This is how many of us used to live - from clunker to clunker until we could not buy another old junker and then we went without. We would then sell the last junker to the iron recycling program or it set in our back yards until it rusted to pieces. The poorest people in the country still could not afford to get a better car even with the clunker program.

[Sheepshank]

64. So? I could not get into the clunker program either. n/t

No way could I get a new car even with the credit towards theppurchase...no way.

My buying a clunker from someone else at a good deal was the issue. Poster is saying there are no good deals out there because all of the clunkers were taken off the road...I called that pronouncement baloney. It is what it is.

[RaleighNCDUer]

72. That's either a subtle strawman or unmitigated bullshit.

I NEVER said they were ALL taken off the road. I said those that remained got priced UP, because there were more customers vying for less product - that's basic supply & demand.

May I ask, how much did you pay for your 'clunker'? And, do you think someone who's been out of work for two + years could have come up with as much? IOW, YOU are that other buyer, vying for the cheap beaters - which is EXACTLY my point.

[Broderick]

70. And opportunities to feed their families

via transport were whisked away and destroyed and on top of that, many in the secondary industry trying to make a living were devastated by the program. Those that work on those cars. So, just drive by the local dealership, owned by groups or wealthy people and see their inventory overflow on their enrichment. This was another hurt the poorest of the poor program but we will salute it here. Yep. We will praise it. And we will praise the work done to foot the bill on deficits on the poorest of the poor. They have no voice. Nobody cares. Social security and medicare be damned. Lets raid those coffers and enrich the rich. This is all asinine to me that people can't see through it. Puppets live and breath my air.

[Broderick]

67. Wonderful!!!!!

How many in the secondary markets, the lowest end of the spectrum were hurt? Who cares about the poor, the working class. Look at the numbers. Most work on cars is done in the independent market and it was devastated to keep the dealerships and the rich going. Then they destroyed the marketplace, and the poorest of the poor don't have options for transport. People are so naive.

[Broderick]

65. Most work is done on the independent side

as far as used cars and it crippled many small businesses. And the dealerships made such a killing, like the one that is my rep here, that his inventory reaches to other lots at this point. Made his investment with the gold he struck.

But who cares about the little people. The ones looking for an affordable transport, or the ones working their asses off working on them.


Fucking stupid. In my humble opinion. It killed the secondary markets. It hurt the poorest, but we praise the God's above because we can still buy stock in GM.

[RaleighNCDUer]

75. too late to edit - actualy it took @ 660,000 used cars out of the market.

The program made a difference of only about 125,000 - cars that would not have normally been replaced without the incentives. Therefore, without the program there would have been 535,000 more used cars available, keeping the used car prices low.

[Broderick]

76. Who kept them on the road too?

The secondary market which is the majority of the work done in the marketplace. So, it enriched the dealerships quite nicely, and it patted the poor on the head twofold.

[Raine]

77. Yes EXACTLY nt

[bvar22]

83. ..and it helped out those in the Upper Middle Class...

..who could afford to buy a NEW CAR, :party:
and the BANKS who wrote the loans.

Didn't do much for the people that really needed help,
but I agree overall. It WAS helpful, in a selective way.



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.



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[leeroysphitz]

98. Good pick. I remember how much heat he took for it also. We haven't seen anything like it since tho.

[Dokkie]

100. C4C is not progessive

It destroyed hundreds of perfectly good used cars and took them out of the market. They could have atleast sent those cars to 3rd world countries that could benefit from it but instead they have to be destroyed. Spending money for the sake of spending money is not progressive.

And what % of that 5b or so spent went to the support of foreign manufacturing?

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Better, name one thing that was opposed by

the big banks, the health insurance companies, and Wall Street in general that Obama fought for.

The so-called "bank regulation" legislation doesn't count because (as Feingold pointed out while voting against it) it doesn't really do anything to restrict the banks from continuing their disastrous (for us) and highly lucrative (for them) rape & pillage of the common people.

[adhd_what_huh]

7. Financial Regulations and Dodd-Frank

[mochajava666]

31. That was an embarrassment. Frank should be ashamed.

There were no regulations that would keep the bubble from bursting again. That was faux reform, and Frank's worst moment as a Senator.

[adhd_what_huh]

36. you have no idea what you are talking about...

For example, Banks can no longer call a real estate appraiser to appraise for a purchase or a refinance. They must go through a regulated third party to obtain appraisal services and can have no contact with the appraiser or request a specific value or even tell the appraiser the loan amount.

This is a huge change.....

[mochajava666]

41. Same to you. That legislation has been ridiculed by many

who know what is happening in the financial markets.

[NNN0LHI]

86. Do you have the names of the people who ridiculed it?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

135. Me. With 12 years in the mortgage business.

All it did was add 140 dollars to the price of an appraisal and add another layer of bullshit for potential mistakes.

The "bank" still picks who goes on the list that the "service" choses from. We joke about our super secret appraisal ordering person - everyone knows who she is. She is the VP's assistant. The VP still deals with the appraisers to "correct" mistakes. And we are a legit shop who deals with mostly affluent clients. I laugh when I think about what goes on in the shady store-front outfits.

Oh, and our "big producers" still have the appraisers in their pockets. Can't pis off a "big producer".

[adhd_what_huh]

5. outlawing pre-existing conditions in health insurance

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Did he fight for that? Or did he just sit back and watch it happen

as part of the bill that mandated tens of millions of citizens buy private health insurance?

[adhd_what_huh]

30. I don't think the insurance companies asked the Pres.

if they could be required to accept all and deny coverage to no one given the fact that the only way they make money is to only insure healthy people.

The fact of the matter is that it cannot be profitable to insure everyone and public not for profit insurance companies will be set up which will lead to the public option.

[yarn_chick]

139. Without price controls forcing people to buy insurance is basically opening them

up to abuse by the insurance companies. And nothing in the health care (more like insurance profit protection) law changes that. Yeah they have to let you buy it. Nothing says it has to be at a price that won't put you out in the street.

[johnaries]

52. He fought hard for that and many other provisions. He even fought

hard for the Public Option, although he lost that one thanks to Lieberman. Were you paying any attention at all during that whole fight?

[EOTE]

54. Fought hard for the public option?

He took the public option off the table before the debate even began. Of course, he pretended it was still a possibility, but he abandoned the P.O. before it even had a chance. He lost that due to his own capitulation.

[Javaman]

97. Hardly, he stated that he wouldn't sign a bill without the public option...

and here we are.

[GOTV]

101. I don't think he fought for the public option. If he had ...

... I don't think that after he failed to deliver a public option he would make the claim that he never campaigned on the public option anyway. Because such a claim would look silly if he made it on something he fought oh so hard on.

[sabrina 1]

119. He did not fight hard for the PO.

He didn't fight at all. He even stated that it was 'not that important' and admitted to giving Repubs over 200 concessions in that awful bill. Finally, he stated that he had gotten '95% of what I wanted'. So what was the 5% he didn't get? A PO is certainly way more than 5%.

[JoePhilly]

125. From my neice's perspective he FOUGHT for it.

she had cancer at 2 ... and as a result, could not get covered for more than colds and sports injuries until that bill passed.

She's now 15 ... so that's about 13 years in which she was basically uncovered.

But, he should have stopped. Allowed nothing to pass. She'd be better off, right. And DU would have cheered him for standing his ground when he could not get the PO or anything else passed.

Great plan.

[EOTE]

53. That was the one concession he gave up. He hardly fought for it.

I'll admit that's a good thing, but in exchange for that, insurance companies get a massive new pool of customers now that people are required to pay for health insurance that many will not even be able to utilize. That was the one concession that insurance companies gave up for a bill that does very little other than fatten their wallets. Insurance companies are the true winners of this legislation.

[Broderick]

6. Health care

Gay and Lesbian rights.


But both got polluted somewhere along the way.

[EFerrari]

8. There was no fight for health care. There was a press for insurance. n/t

[Broderick]

15. Boy, I feel that way, but I am trying to help here

Single payer was what this country needed, but it got polluted by the corporations and the profit centers in America. It's a watered down version of a Republican plan at best. Just trying to say something positive when I know there is not much to be happy about.

[Major Hogwash]

17. Please. That horse was killed last year.

It's really getting annoying seeing peeps here still beating on it.

[Broderick]

21. What part?

What annoys you?

[RaleighNCDUer]

63. It annoys him that we remember it. nt

[Ruby the Liberal]

32. You mean something changed?

No?

Okay, then we still have a license to complain about this particular shit sandwich on the shit sandwich platter.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

46. If you don't know the difference between health care

and the insurance industry, I can't help you.

[Name removed]

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[EOTE]

104. Seriously, you need to stop insulting others who correct your ignorance.

The poster made a damned good point. If you think that the health care bill was anything but a gift to insurance companies, you are extremely uninformed on the matter. None of your cute little pictures change that one bit.

[Major Hogwash]

115. I'd take the time to insult you, but I don't have that much time.

Seriously.

I couldn't care less what the snivilers here think of Obama, the healthcare plan, or me.

[EOTE]

118. And you clearly don't care about being accurate either.

So go ahead and believe your fairy tales. There are plenty of others who are smart enough to recognize a shit sandwich when they see one.

[Major Hogwash]

121. I'm more accurate that you ever thought of being.

[EOTE]

123. Says someone who thinks we have real healthcare reform.

Rather than just mandated health insurance. What? You don't have a cute little picture to tell me how wrong I am? I notice your posts are just loaded with substantial information.

:rofl:

[sabrina 1]

120. And it seems this president felt the same way. He didn't care

about the 'snivilers', who are actually the American people who overwhelmingly wanted a Medicare for all type system. There was an overhaul of the Insurance Business, which was losing money as the economy collapsed. This president saved them and handed them a windfall of money from millions of new customers who cannot afford it, and gave them access to the Medicaid fund throught what they call 'subsidies'.

Remain blind if you wish, but don't expect others to do the same. We know what happened. What should have happened was that the Ins Corps, which we cannot afford and which do nothing for actual sick people, they are simply profiteering middlemen, should have been allowed to fail.

But we would have needed a Progressive Democratic President in office to fight for that. We did not have that and we got what the Insurance Ind wanted.

[Major Hogwash]

122. It seems sabrina doesn't have a life either.

[EOTE]

124. Hilarious.

You take the time to point out how people don't have lives due to their posting on the internet... by posting on the internet. If hypocrisy and idiocy were degrees, you'd have your MD by now.

[woo me with science]

90. +1

[Bluebear]

71. Obama "FOUGHT" for gay rights? Lol

[Ignis]

107. Fiercely, in fact.

:rofl:

[Major Hogwash]

128. True or false: Obama overturned the DADT policy in the military

You can't deny that.

[Bluebear]

134. False. Congress had to do it, he doesn't have a magic wand

That's all I heard.

[Major Hogwash]

136. Wrong. Obama led that fight and everyone from Portland Maine to Portland Oregon knows it.

I didn't think you would admit that Obama fought for gays, because you are in that mode.

[Bluebear]

137. Log cabin repukes led that fight which is sad

And really, your propaganda is obvious on the issue. Bye.

[Major Hogwash]

138. The truth of the matter is Obama made a promise to overturn DADT, and he kept that promise.

Propaganda?

I've been on top of this issue for well over 2 years.
Lt Colonel Victor Fehrenbach is going to be discharged later this month when he retires from the Air Force.
He is NOT being kicked out of the Air Force for being gay, he is retiring.

Fehrenbach appeared on the Rachel Maddow program several times to talk about it. He went to the local NBC affiliate here in Boise to appear on her program to discuss it. He is stationed where I live, so you're out of bounds here.

15 yard penalty.

[Bluebear]

140. Feh

[Major Hogwash]

141. I've met him twice.

Victor's a decent guy.
And even he said that Obama was responsible for overturning DADT.

[guitar man]

9. Well in all fairness

He has fought very hard to make sure Anerucabs are reoresebted. :D





:hide:

[dennis4868]

10. TAKE YOUR PICK

www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. No, YOU take your pick. Pull out of that list any 'accomplishment'

and show 1) that Obama fought for it, and 2) that it works to better the life of poor and middle-class Americans. Then, you might present an argument as to how it moves the country to the left, overall.

RW legislation dressed up in Democratic clothing is not something we should be proud of. One tiny piece of good news buried in an overwhelmingly bad bill is not something we should be proud of (i.e. the pre-existing conditions part of the POS Health Insurance Enhancement Act).

Come on - WORK for it. Don't just post 'the list'.

[dennis4868]

40. huh?

you think that list contains repubs legislation...HAHAHAHAHA....this is too funny or sad....not sure....Name one thing on the list that was repub legislation? Yiu have to be completely out there and totally irrationaal or just a liar to say what you said...Can you believe this people? Crazy times at DU!

[dennis4868]

45. Just a sample...

of "republican" legislation passed by dems and Obama:

Provided $12.2 Billion in new funding for Individuals With Disabilities Education Act
Extended Benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees
Appointed more openly gay officials than any other president in US history
Reversed 'global gag rule', allowing US aid to go to organizations regardless of whether they provide abortions
Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers
Signed the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, which provides health care to 11 million kids -- 4 million of whom were previously uninsured

Do you consifder the above repub legislation? hahaha...and there is alot more I can add to that list....

[RaleighNCDUer]

62. Let's look at your list

Ok, IDEA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individuals_with_Disabilities_Education_Act

Its precurser was started in '75 (under Ford) renamed IDEA in 90 (under Bush 1) was revamped and expanded in 94 (under Bush 2) and given additional funding as part of the Recovery Act in 2009 - CLEARLY a purely Democratic initiative.

Benefits for same-sex partners of fed employees: that's not legislation, it was an executive decision and can (probably will) be rescinded by the next Repug president.

Appointed... Ditto.

Reversed global gag rule... Ditto.

Lilly Ledbetter: Yeah, he signed it - five days after taking office. IOW, as president he had NOTHING to do with that legislation. It was handed to him practically as he walked through the door. He didn't have to support it, much less fight for it. You are giving HIM credit for something Congress did.

SCHIP reauthorization: Ditto - handed to him two weeks after his inauguration. What did HE have to do with it?

BTW, I like the strawman you threw out there - I asked for progressive legislation that was on that list that HE accomplished - discounting RW legislation like his Health Insurance Support Act, which DID include a very few progressive provisions - and you turn that into "everything on the list is Republican legislation".

Oh, to save you the trouble, DADT repeal has been passed, but 2 1/2 years into his term and months after passage it has yet to be implemented - not to mention that he NEVER fought for it - so I'm not going to accept that one either .

[readmoreoften]

78. Benefits for same-sex partners of fed employees also enacted under Clinton. And then his admin

withheld actual benefits until a couple fought the DOJ for them. Window dressing and intended as such.

[GOTV]

103. You fell for "the list" - gotta be careful about that, some people have read it.

[Ignis]

108. Hard work is ... hard, eh?

[Major Hogwash]

14. He brought cocktail parties on Wednesday night back to the White House.

That's important to those of us who are with the cocktail coalition of the willing.

[Broderick]

22. Wednesday is hump day

I think we are all entitled.

[Major Hogwash]

73. The last President was a FUCKING ALCOHOLIC!!!

How soon people forget!!

[mochajava666]

19. Not one thing. He hates progressives.

[TheWraith]

20. Let's see... universal healthcare, ending DADT, financial reform, return of diplomacy...

Ending the wars, cash for clunkers, saving the US auto industry along with millions of American jobs, increasing educational grants... lots more, but I think I made my point. But of course, none of those "count" to you, since you're not actually looking for answers, just for complaints.

[leftstreet]

23. You mean 'mandated universal health insurance' n/t

[Broderick]

25. cash for clunkers when it is researched

Cost many people their job.

[RaleighNCDUer]

66. A 3.5 billion dollar program that lost 1.4 billion dollars. nt

[TBF]

44. "Ending the wars"???

:rofl:

We're involved in like 6 of them now ... I guess it must be backwards day.

[EOTE]

57. Universal healthcare?!?!? Return of diplomacy?!?!? Ending the wars?!?!?

What strange alternate reality are you living in? Obama has done none of those things. Diplomacy is somewhat subjective, but both wars are still very much active and the piece of crap health care bill is NOTHING even approaching universal healthcare, it's mandated insurance. You really need to learn the difference, they couldn't be further apart. You've made a point alright, the point presented in the OP.

[woo me with science]

92. +1

[readmoreoften]

79. Ending the wars? Are you THAT IGNORANT? Financial reform? To the right?

Universal healthcare? No, universal forced insurance.

[alsame]

84. Universal healthcare? Do you know any

Canadians? If so, ask them what universal healthcare really is and how it works.

The fact that any American can be hoodwinked into believing we now have universal healthcare shows how screwed we really are.

[bvar22]

85. Ended the WARS!!!!

:woohoo:

I didn't know the WARS WERE OVER!!!
Please Post that as an OP.
Lots of people need to know!

Hooray.
The WARS are OVER!!!!
Kudos to Obama for Ending the WARS!!!
:patriot:
:woohoo:

If you won't post this as an OP,
may I post it, and cite your post here as my supporting reference?



PLEASE?




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[City Lights]

87. "universal healthcare"

LOL!

:rofl:

:spray:

[EOTE]

96. If Obama had ended the wars and gave us universal health care...

he'd be the best president of my lifetime. Bar none. Instead, he's escalated the wars and given insurance companies a windfall. I need to ask you a serious question, do you actually believe what you've written? Do you really think that he's ended the wars and given us universal healthcare? Because if so, progressives need to do a much better job informing the public just what this president has accomplished. I'm afraid that there's just as much delusion on the left as there is on the right about Obama.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. He tried to close Guantanamo

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/democratic-memo-why-barack-obama-cant-close-gitmo-or-try-ksm-in-new-york/">but our own Democrats blocked him

(DU amnesia)

Edit - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30826649/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/senate-blocks-transfer-gitmo-detainees/">More

[Broderick]

29. That was never going to change

It was part of the "words" that we could hold on to, as were the wars being ended. We are pawns.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. But that doesn't address the OP

asking to point to efforts to "fight" - and this was fought for and soundly defeated by so-called "progressives and liberals". :crazy:

[Broderick]

39. I responded to the op as well

if you mean poster that responded to the op, fine.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Okay!

:hi:

[RaleighNCDUer]

68. That didn't need to stop him. He COULD have simply returned

all the internees to where they came from. Most of them were no danger in the first place, and the few that might be could be easily neutralized by spreading the word that they were snitches - that they turned while in custody. They'd never be trusted, and would probably be killed by their own allies.

Gitmo is still open because Obama & friends WANT it open.

[scheming daemons]

27. saved the American auto industry

[Broderick]

37. The dealers that survived the cuts flourished BUT

and the secondary market tanked. So it's like what is going on now with the budget debate; put the burden on the least ill to defend and protect themselves in my humble opinion. Yeah, look at what it did to the independent operators and the used car repair market. Take a good look. We fed peter by robbing paul. Most will never see that, because it's just the poor secondary market nobody cares about, yet it is the majority of the repair business in America. Everyone wants the big boxes to do well. Feed em, fuck em all. Make sure the stock goes up. Shove a stick up the poor folks ass again.


Just sayin.

[sendero]

28. He bailed out the automakers.

... which was a no brainer in my opinion.

However, he's missed tens of chances for a repeat performance.

[Broderick]

43. Cash for clunkers hurt the poor most

The people that work in the secondary market got nailed. But continue to praise the robbing of Paul to pay Peter, and make the big name dealers flourish is okay here I think. My rep in Norfolk, who won an election in the midterms, has to park his inventory at other places because he cashed in. Meanwhile, all the folks that do the majority of repair work in this nation on an independent level got Whacked! Yeah, good program. Just like today, and the budget crisis; who pays that bill? Senior citizens by medicare and social security cuts? It's just the small people. Heck, stock is up. Who fucking cares.

[Ruby the Liberal]

33. He drank a beer on national television while watching a basketball game?

Sorry, I got nuthin.

[bluestateguy]

35. The START treaty, DADT is gone, the Food Safety and Modernization Act

And as his actions in the auto bailout have now been vindicated, I think saving hundreds of thousands of union jobs from extinction is a pretty progressive thing.

He has also sued to block Arizona's despicable SB1070 anti-immigrant law, even though most Americans favor the law.

[Broderick]

48. Auto bailout vindicated???

What the fuck? Seriously. It destroyed the secondary market this year and hurt the poorest. It ingratiated the dealerships so much that the rep that won in my district who owns a dealership can't fit the inventory on his premises anymore. Good God, people don't care about the poor and the working class; all they care about is the damn stock. Most of the aftermarket repair is independent done by the little guy, and they got totally fucked this year. Fuck it. Pissed off. Tow the line. Praise the loss of jobs and loss of business to the little guy. The big guys are doing great. GE paid how much in taxes last year??? ZERO.

[readmoreoften]

80. "Saving union jobs" is pretty negligible when you're strong-arming the unions

to accept $7-14 an hour jobs with shitty benefits.

[Kceres]

47. The elimination of birth control co-pays? nt

[Broderick]

49. in the corporate world someone pays.

don't delude yourself.

[EOTE]

58. I'll give him credit for that.

Even though I never really heard him advocate or fight for that. It's definitely one of the best things to come from this administration and I'll give him credit for it regardless.

[readmoreoften]

81. Yeah, but it was done to shut people up during the debt ceiling scandal.

He always throws a fish bone at us after stealing the food off our plates.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

50. Health Care reform, Financial reform

I know a lot of people here consider them to be "jokes" for one reason or another but you can't say that he and the Dems didn't go to the mat for both initiatives and, at least with financial reform, we got a Consumer Financial Protection Agency out of it- though it would be nice if the Republicans would let his nominee for the head of that agency come up for a vote at some point. If Republicans win back the WH and take the Senate next year, this will be one of the first reform packages, along with the CFPB, to bite the dust, unfortunately, and I can't seem to think of a good reason to consider the CFPB to be a "joke".

[Sheepshank]

55. Please define what you mean by "fought for".

Because I'm wondering what behind the scenes actions, discussion, acitvities, sceanrios you were privvy to that would lead you to assume that the only actions were those that was done in front of a camera?

Your premis is assinine.

[Name removed]

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[grahamhgreen]

74. He federalized student loans.

[readmoreoften]

82. And now they're being cut in the debt ceiling deal.

[grahamhgreen]

132. No kidding?

[jimmyflint]

88. Wars, patriot act, tax cuts, bail outs for the rich,

Are those progressive now? I guess we got that law that requires us to buy health ins.

[RBInMaine]

89. If you mean actual PROGRESS and not fringe purity, the list is too long to repeat yet again.

[Sheepshank]

91. +a bunch. And that's pretty much it...in a nut shell n/t

[uponit7771]

116. +1000

[Proles]

93. When you really think about it... nothing.

Anything progressive that came about during this administration came about through other people, like Nancy Pelosi. Obama is really apathetic about progressive things that passed, and seldom talks about them.

Even when he fights for centrist, right-wing legislation, he's pretty bad at pushing for it.

I don't really know who he is anymore. I still can't figure out if he's naive, a closet republican, or suffering from stockholm syndrome.

[okieinpain]

94. dang man just don't vote for him. if enough of you do it he will

lose then you want have to worry about how weak he is.

[bluestate10]

130. Republican sock puppets aren't interested in just taking their vote

and leaving. They want to take the gullible with them. Real progressives that see the danger will stand firm. A template for how President Obama can win comes from Deval Patrick of Massachusetts. Patrick went into his re-election bid at an approval rating of 34%. Predictions were that democrats and independents would abandon patrick for a republican candidate that came in with a pearly smile and stature, or a turncoat democrat. Patrick was assailed by the liberal, Jill Stein wing of the democratic party, that wing would vote for the republican in a crunch. Patrick ran a flawless campaign while his opponents stumbled and contradicted themselves. The turncoat democrat faded to no consequence. Patrick defeated the republican by 6% with a big assist from true democrats and with large independent support. The latter coalition was the wise one, Patrick continues to lead his state with a steady progressive hand and has it position at the front of the nation.

[DevonRex]

95. So don't vote for him. I couldn't care less what you do. Oh, and nice hit run Obama bash. Again.

[bluestate10]

131. Makes one wonder where the OP comes from, doesn't it? nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

99. Repeal of DADT

[semillama]

102. Reversed limitations on stem cell research.

Is that progressive enough?

[JNinWB]

106. Nothing is enough. Obama will never live up to expectations (fantasies)

Irrational, magical thinking, mind readers win again.

Keep it up and welcome your TeaParty overlords.

[leftstreet]

110. Fail. Campaign promises are not 'expectations' n/t

[southernyankeebelle]

111. Equal pay for women. The Ledbetter bill. It was passed and signed by Obama.

[SidDithers]

112. Extension of unemployment benefits...nt

Sid

[yarn_chick]

142. Tell that to the 99ers.

Oh wait they didn't get any help.

Never mind.

[OnyxCollie]

113. Is stopping torture investigations progressive?

I'm sure a Circle D Democrat will be around soon to claim so.

[TwilightGardener]

117. Shepard/Byrd Hate Crimes Prevention Act.

[JoePhilly]

126. Sounds like a Tea Party thread ...

[leeroysphitz]

129. Sounds like a cheerleader response...

[proud patriot]

127. ummmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm thinking :think:

Green jobs ... lol he's on the telie talking green jobs at this moment.

[donna123]

133. gays in the military?

It helped that most of the country was for it.