Stick a fork in Gaddafi...

[thewiseguy]

Alex Crawford of Sky News is reporting live that the column of Rebels are advancing towards downtown Tripoli meeting no resistance. Scores of people are outside celebrating.

Callers to Al Jazeera are suggesting that Gaddafi's sons have been arrested near a hotel used by foreign journalists.

Al Jazeera also says Gaddafi's bodyguards have surrendered. Conflicting information on Gaddafi himself. Some reports suggest he has been killed.

[malaise]

1. as in assassinated by Western agents

Celebrate without me

[killbotfactory]

2. Apparently most of the country is western agents.

no wonder Qaddafi needed foreign mercs to maintain order in his workers paradise.

[socialshockwave]

5. The workers paradise only he could see.

Libya is paradise if you're Qaddafi and his ass-kissers.

[thewiseguy]

3. Uh what?

[AngkorWot]

6. It's all terribly upsetting.

I haven't been so disappointed since FDR bullied Hitler into committing suicide.

[killbotfactory]

7. +1

lol

[K8-EEE]

15. LOL I know right?

WTF with some of these people. Oh and he was GWB's good buddy too.

[NYC Liberal]

53. LOL, yes. My heart just aches for him!

:cry:

[dionysus]

89. ROFL, you win the thread.

[sabrina 1]

9. Without me also, malaise.

Nothing changes. We will install a nice Western puppet and those who don't go along, will suffer the fate many Iraqis suffered.

I will not be surprised to see the cheering even on Democratic forums.



He made the mistake of deciding to limit the profits of the Global Cartels. He should have known better.

He could have executed babies every day if only he had cooperated, like Karamov in Uzbekistan, or our other wonderful ally in Colombia, commit genocide of his own people, and we would have continued to invite him to DC Cocktail parties.

I actually thought he was smarter than he turned out to be.

[tabatha]

10. And the people of Libya mean absolutley nothing.

The Libyans will install who they want.

This is almost Fox-News-sour grapes.

[sabrina 1]

14. Please do not accuse me of watching Fox News,

I have been an opponent of that propaganda machine since its inception. I would not know what they broadcast, as you appear to.

Considering your false accusation aimed at me, based only on your emotions without even taking the time to ask a question, I will give your opinions on any topic the credit they deserve.

[tabatha]

17. No, I said it was a FOX-like statement.

[sabrina 1]

39. And you were wrong.

As I said, I will give everything else you have to say, the kind of credibility it deserves.

[AngkorWot]

47. First off, it's a statement of opinion.

Secondly, he's right.

[uppityperson]

128. Ah. well, you know what they say about opinions.

[AngkorWot]

19. Stop acting like it.

The thought process is ridiculously transparent.

1. Obama bad
2. Obama no like Gadhafi
3. Gadhafi good

"I will give your opinions on any topic the credit they deserve."

Yeah, that goes both ways, you know.

[AngkorWot]

21. AJ live reporting Saif Gaddhafi captured

Crowds ecstatic, presidential guards surrender

[sabrina 1]

37. I believe it is against DU rules to falsely accuse

other DUers of making statements they did not make. Before I alert, something I have done only once on anyone here, I want you to back up that comment with links to my statements that 'Obama bad' 'Gadhafi good'.

This kind of false statement is exactly what concerns people, and to not be able to get something right that is right in front of their eyes, definitely raises questions about everything else they write.

FYI, you picked the wrong person to make that accusation against. I have never once said that Obama was bad, not once, ever, anywhere, I have said the opposite when speaking about him as a person. Nor have I ever, not once, said that Gadhafi was 'good', never, nowhere, ever.

You have zero credibility about everything else when you make such false statements about something so easy to check.

[AngkorWot]

40. I never claimed you actually said that.

I'm only reading between the lines.

The people of Libya have risen up.
They're overthrowing a tyrant as we speak.
And here you are, getting butthurt over it.

And you claim that I have zero credibility. LOL.

[thewiseguy]

41. And you still have not said why you are upset about Gaddafi going down?

[arcane1]

43. False logic and oversimplification of complex issues is also FOX-like n/t

[AngkorWot]

44. Oh, it's definitely false logic. That's precisely my point.

Nor is it much of an oversimplification.

[jefferson_dem]

22. Please...

Link here and click on the "play" button. http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ Watch the scenes from the streets of Benghazi. Then, tell us the fall of Gaddafi is not a very good thing.

[reACTIONary]

131. Nothing changes...

...in your cave. Stay there. It's dark, damp and a little cold, but the sunshine is too much for you.

[jefferson_dem]

18. L...L...L...Gaddafi alone!

:nopity:

[dionysus]

109. he was a fine man, just... misunderstood.

;)

:rofl:

[Iterate]

25. AJA: NTC leader #Mustafa #Abdul #Jalil confirms the capture of #Saif by FFs in #Tripoli.

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
AJA: NTC leader #Mustafa #Abdul #Jalil confirms the capture of #Saif by FFs in #Tripoli. #libya #feb17 #gaddaficrimes
5 minutes ago

Saif, of course, is the second idiot son and wanted by the ICC. Arrested, not assassinated. No more detail for the moment, but if true, surely you can celebrate that much.

[leeroysphitz]

33. Jesus, can't ANYTHING be good news?

You truly earn your user name some days.

[Dokkie]

46. +1000

[Tx4obama]

50. There is NO confirmation that Gaddafi was assassinated or killed.

Edited to add:
His son has been captured and the rebels say they are 'treating him well' so that he will 'stand trial'.

[aquart]

54. Because nobody in his own country would be thrilled to roast him on a spit?

Be serious. No way would they allow a westerner the privilege of skewering that ass.

[ButterflyBlood]

116. My only response to that:

[Taverner]

4. He's done

Look, think what you will of US Policy

Gaddafi was on, and then off, and then on again - and then off again, our pay

Just like Bin Laden, Hussein, the other Hussein, the Ayatollah, and numerous other dictators...

Not to mention Mubarak, who, like an idiot filled with pride, stuck around way too long. And now look at him

If he could have found a sympathetic country - yes, that would have been Israel - but he would have to watch his back - he might have escaped

Pride is your enemy, no matter what your pursuit is

Napoleon had Waterloo, his 'last ditch effort' to rule a fraction of a dot (Carl Sagan ref here :) )

[tabatha]

8. There were about 75,000 prisoners in Tripoli.

They are slowly being freed.

I have never seen such emotional scenes in my life.

The murderous bastard no longer owns Libya and its wealth.

My eyes are very wet.

I think NATO did an admirable job.

[Schema Thing]

11. :) me too.

This is a good day in history.

[sabrina 1]

12. Too bad we supported him for so long, and will continue to

back the violence that will now take place, as we are doing in Iraq.

And how about the prisoners, if any are still alive, in Uzbekistan? The people can't even rise up, the last time they tried Karamove mowed them in the streets and we continue to fund him.

Sorry I can't celebrate the violence and the killing of ordinary citizens. Or the installation of another puppet government in another Arab country.

[tabatha]

16. Well why are you against this revolution?

NATO killed less than 30 civilians, and they should not have been where they were. Gaddafi has killed 13,000 plus since Feb.

The recent 85 civilians claimed by the Gaddafi regime was a lie. They were killed by Gaddafi.

Fortunately, NATO has everything recorded and it has been delivered to the ICC.

They also have 1000s of hours of taped Gaddafi regime conversations including the planning of staged events to blame NATO fopr stuff they did not do.

Yes, I agree with no civilians deaths - that is why I supported NATO STOPPING THEM by GADDAFI!!!

[gateley]

20. The people are jubilant! THAT is worth celebrating. Can you imagine?

If you can check out AJE Live, do - waves of chills!

[jefferson_dem]

Shame some are allowing shallow cynicism to blind their eyes from glorious reality.

[Odin2005]

120. There are some posters here that still think Robert Mugabe is a good guy!

:crazy:

[Name removed]

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[NashVegas]

84. What Utter Contempt You Display For These People

Whose constitution is about to be re-written, Iraq-style, to open everything to multi-national corporate plundering.

[reACTIONary]

132. What? You mean they get to join the rest of the world?

Maybe even on their own terms?

[uppityperson]

129. sabrina, I understand your fears but THIS is about celebrating the downfall of a puppet gvt

It isn't about "violence and the killing of ordinary citizens" but celebrating the END of that.

THAT is what this is about. If another puppet gvt gets installed, protest and speak out. But to say something is wrong with celebrating the overthrow OF a puppet gvt, or celebrating the END of killing ordinary citizens? Something is wrong with that.

[CleanGreenFuture]

38. Where are you watching, tabatha. I'm watching some govt spokesman on

Al Jazeera trying one last appeal for peace and claiming the rebels are gangs.

[Kahuna]

101. +1000

:hug:

[gateley]

13. Watching now on AJE Live now. Amazing how we can watch history

being made.

[WheelWalker]

23. "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you,

it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

— Dalai Lama XIV

[Tx4obama]

24. I don't see anything on the AJ Libya blog about the sons being arrested ...

or anything about the bodyguards surrendering.
Anyone have a link that contains that news?

[AngkorWot]

26. blog is slow. Try the livestream.

[jefferson_dem]

27. Here.

http://twitter.com/AJELive/statuses/105384292330389504

[killbotfactory]

28. They just reported it on the live feed

That the news that's going around Benghazi. I don't think it has been confirmed.

[aquart]

62. Twitter is quicker.

If Gaddafi is giving a speech, he probably isn't dead.

[Historic NY]

29. sky news on the ground in Tripoli..........

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16053951

[Zax2me]

30. Some might see this as nation building, again, by the West.

I'm not sure, don't think so - but see where others might see it this way.

[Davis_X_Machina]

83. Whom do you see doing the fighting?

After all, what with Admiral De Grasse, and General Rochambeau, we're just a French puppet regime.

When tyrants tremble, sick with fear,
And hear their death-knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near,
How can I keep from singing?

[riverwalker]

31. celebrations in Benghazi

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

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[Tx4obama]

34. To: #27, #28, #29 - thanks for the info :) n/t

[jefferson_dem]

36. No probs... MSNBC reporting too....

BREAKING NEWS: Rebel leader says Moammar Gadhafi's son Seif al-Islam has been arrested

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/?ocid=twitter

[killbotfactory]

35. Another foreign policy blunder by Obama

First we watched as our good friend Mubarek was overthrown, then we saw the ruthless murder of Bin Laden who was merely waiting in his house for a court summons to receive his fair trial, and now we watch as Ghaddafi is overthrown by rebels and without our funneling hundreds of billions of dollars into no-bid private contracts. WTF Obama.

[AngkorWot]

42. lol

[Tx4obama]

45. GO'bama go! That's OUR guy :)

[gateley]

60. Bwah!

LOVE the cheerleader! :rofl:

[Tx4obama]

90. I've been called that so many times here on DU that ...

I thought I'd just go ahead and embrace it like a badge of honor :)

[gateley]

93. It's just perfect! If only she were wearing an Obama sweatshirt!

:hi:

[gateley]

59. Yeah, and I'm pissd about the tens of thousands of troops we

have there! :eyes:

But, yet another thing for which he won't get credit. I'm proud of him for his action in this.

[Ikonoklast]

103. All of those Libyan 'rebels' were CIA-trained mercenaries.

Actually, every man, woman, and child in Libya is a CIA asset; there are no civilians left in Libya, and haven't been any for over twenty years now. All members of sleeper cells.

It's all an elaborate ruse put in motion by Obama The Evil Mastermind, drawn up by him many years ago as one part of his plan to control the entire world.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

48. Al Jazeera has now confirmed that one of Gaddafi's

sons have been captured.

[Tx4obama]

52. Rebels say they are 'treating him well, and will stand trial' n/t

[Posteritatis]

65. Three of his sons now. (nt)

[Tx4obama]

68. Who is the third one? I've heard only two. See comment #66. n/t

[Posteritatis]

71. I missed the name; AJE mentioned two captured and a third surrendered on his own

I may have misheard though, I'll see if they update on their stream. They might have been referring to Ahmedi, who's one of Qadaffi's other relatives.

[Tx4obama]

75. Only one son confirmed captured so far, and one confirmed to have surrendered. n/t

[Posteritatis]

79. Yeah, I think I did parse Ahmedi as a third son instead. Mea culpa. (nt)

[Tx4obama]

82. Well NOW there is this

Al Jazeera reporting 3 of Gadhafi's sons are being held by rebels; Saif and Saadi captured, Mohammed surrendered - via NBC News

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/libya-conflict?q=libya-conflict


I'm still not so sure about Saadi, I haven't heard his name on the AJ stream.

Al-Saadi al-Gaddafi Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Saadi_al-Gaddafi

[riverwalker]

49. pretty amazing

Guess I still get excited when a brave oppressed people win victory. I'm not sophisticated enough to be a Eeyore wannabe and piss in the beer of any peoples fight for freedom.
What the hell has happened to us? Rhetorical, don't answer, please. I see enough whining and wailing on GD. What has been accomplished is nothing short of magnificent. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya.
As for timing, I wonder how Bashir Assad is sleeping tonight? I supposed democracy in Syria would be "bad" too. :eyes:

[graywarrior]

51. !

:thumbsup:

[Skip_In_Boulder]

55. Gaddafi on audio is ranting and raving

So things must not be going well for him.

[gateley]

61. He was less rambling than usual -- in a hurry, maybe?

:evilgrin:

[Tx4obama]

56. Update ....

Reuters Top News
@Reuters Reuters Top News

FLASH: Head of Libya rebel council says ready to stop fighting on condition Gaddafi announces departure: report
8 minutes ago via web

http://twitter.com/#!/Reuters/status/105392853110366208

[aquart]

63. Leave town and we'll stop shooting at you.

Perfectly reasonable.

[gateley]

70. Interesting! Is that what they're hoping for -- departure and not incarceration?

If I were he, I'd hightail it out of there while they willing to let me go.

[Tx4obama]

57. The rebels need to hurry up and take over the State TV building ...

so that the Gaddafi messages will be stopped!

[Skip_In_Boulder]

64. AJ now confirms that 2 of Gaddafi's sons have been captured.

[Tx4obama]

66. Here are their bios

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saif_al-Islam_Muammar_Al-Gaddafi

Muhammad al-Gaddafi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Gaddafi

[Skip_In_Boulder]

72. Thanks. I think that AJ just said

that a third son has been captured and that the head of Mo's security has been captured. It looks like the party is pretty much over for Mo.

[Oceansaway]

67. K&R..n/t

[lindysalsagal]

69. Just another wimpy scardy-cat librul president, running from a fight

Like the time he took down Bin Laden, and is about to democratize Syria and Egypt.

These libruls just aren't tough enough.

Taking on health insurance and wall street...That's for sissies!

[Tx4obama]

73. I think you should add a sarcasm tag to your comment :)

You can use the one BELOW

: sarcasm :

(take out the spaces) and you'll end up with this --> :sarcasm:

Btw, Welcome to DU :hi:

[Kahuna]

95. Yep. PBO takes out the trash left behind by reagan/bush1 and dubya.

Dick won't like this. :D They can never accuse us Dems of being wusses after this. :patriot: Af course they will though.

[rollin74]

74. yet another audio message from Gaddafi

[Skip_In_Boulder]

76. Yeah it looks like the walls are crumbling around him.

[CleanGreenFuture]

77. I guess that clears up the confusion upthread about whether he's dead or not.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

85. Maybe

There are all kinds of rumors flying right now that he is dead or that he has fled the country an so on. Things are very chaotic right now. But it is history in the making.

[rollin74]

78. another desperate sounding message

begging tribes to march into Tripoli and fight for him

unclear where Gaddafi is speaking from

[gateley]

80. The announcers are positing that he's not in Libya, especially

since the last (gasp) statement sounded as though it was via a Sat-phone.

[CJvR]

81. Damn!

It seems as if Mad Dog might not be in Tripoli afterall, digging him out of whatever spiderhole he has crawled into might be messy.

[gateley]

86. MSNBC is covering this, too. Currently showing Richard Engel in a

taped piece. Don't know about CNN.

[spanone]

87. cnn is live on it...no cameras there...al jazeera is the place to watch..link

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

[gateley]

94. I've been switching back and forth, but it seems as though now

MSNBC is just streaming AJE! :)

[spanone]

88. m$nbc is back on crime shit, can't be bothered

[gateley]

96. I'm online and it's streaming AJE although it's the link to MSNBC

live, so maybe there's a diff between online and the TV? Usually this link gives me live MSNBC.

Anyway, thank god for AJE! Aren't we lucky to have "discovered" them? :)

[WheelWalker]

98. +1

I couldn't agree with you more, comrade

[seabeyond]

99. it was fun cause i kept informing hubby, and he is desperately checking

cnn and msnbc...

getting frustrated cause i am getting info before him.

finally told him, you arent gonna find it. getting from AJE

he just sent an email, found it.... AJE

[gateley]

121. And of course, DU always has a play-by-play. nt

[seabeyond]

126. yup. i love it. nt

[spanone]

100. yes, the tv has 'caught on camera'

[Kahuna]

105. M$NBC should bury its head in shame. nt

[whatchamacallit]

91. Stick a fork in everybody sitting on oil. n/t

[Tx4obama]

92. CNN is now reporting that a THIRD son WAS captured.

Breaking News: Another son of Moammar Gadhafi, Saadi Gadhafi, has been captured by rebels moving into Tripoli, a rebel spokesman said.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/08/21/libya.war/index.html


Al-Saadi al-Gaddafi bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Saadi_al-Gaddafi

[gateley]

97. How many does he have? And I wonder where they're finding

them and why they're even hanging around! Thanks!

[Tx4obama]

102. There is a LIST of his children on the link below

On the right side of the page under the photo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaddafi

[seabeyond]

104. didnt one or two of them die earlier? nt

[Tx4obama]

106. Can't really tell for sure...

because every time it was reported one had been killed other reports came out saying that they were not killed.
Guess we will have to wait until into the future to see which ones show up somewhere.


Even the report of an adopted daughter being killed has NOT be totally confirmed.

Excerpt:
... "He is also said to have adopted two children, Hanna and Milad. Hanna was apparently killed in 1986 at the age of four, during the retaliatory US bombing raids; the facts are disputed however, and either the daughter may not have died; the adoption may have been posthumous; or he may have adopted a second daughter after the first one died." ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaddafi

[seabeyond]

112. ya. i googled after asking and found the same with two sons. nt

[Tx4obama]

107. Oh, and look here too ....

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaddafi#Marriages_and_children

[gateley]

122. Nice family. The brothers are/were warring as to which could take

over Dad's murderous regime. :eyes:

I can't imagine what it's like to be surrounded by such hate and fear for one's entire life.

[spanone]

108. why does cnn have a bu$h* diplomat on??? re: libya

nicholas burns 19th Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs under g.w. bu$h*

[Liberal Veteran]

111. Perhaps to remind us that Bush and Gaddafi were buddies?

:shrug:

[karynnj]

127. Burns is a career diplomat

From the times I have seen him testify before the SFRC, he is pretty good.

[thewiseguy]

110. Mass celebrations in Benghazi live on Al Jazeera

People are out celebrating and waving flags. I guess they are waiting for news on Gaddafi himself.

[thewiseguy]

113. Al Jazeera reporting that two South African planes have landed in the Tripoli airport

Perhaps to move out Gaddafi?

[thewiseguy]

114. Alex Crawford of Sky News is reporting live from a rebel truck inside Tripoli

I can not find a link to watch it but apparently she is doing a heck of a job.

[thewiseguy]

115. Fireworks are going off in Benghazi. Masses of people celebrating.

Local time is past 1 am.

[ButterflyBlood]

117. Congratulations Libya

41 years. For most of these people that butcher is the only leader they've ever known. I can only imagine the joy there now.

[Odin2005]

118. YAY for Libya!

[thewiseguy]

119. Most of these rebels look very young are driving in cars better than mine...lol

But I would say from the footage most of these fighters are very young and clean shaven.

[CJvR]

123. Rebs on Green Square!

Rebel troops have reached Green(martyrs) Square, on AlJaz

[Vattel]

124. Another tyrant removed.

I hope that the next government of Libya is better for the people of Libya. Not knowing much about the revolution or Libya, I have no idea whether it will be.

[upi402]

125. Gaddafi calling for 'cease fire' and 'peace talks'

:nopity: :hurts: :silly:

[reACTIONary]

133. LOL !!! (nt)

[Imajika]

130. This is most excellent...

Congratulations to the Libyan people, and I am thrilled we were able to provide assistance and be on the right side of history. Great job President Obama for pursuing a smart foreign policy that actually results in success time and time again!

[reACTIONary]

134. +1 for Libya, +1 for the US, +1 for Obama - and Clinton