Ground zero is sacred...

[butterfly77]

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/08/ground-zero-was-built-graves-slaves


The outrage about the "ground zero mosque" has turned very ugly, as this video of this recent protest shows. People are calling Mohammed a pig. A New York City cab driver was stabbed today after his passenger asked him if he was Muslim. But I find the righteous outrage of those contending the former World Trade Center site is "hallowed ground" amusing, because they have no idea just how right they are. Before the World Trade Center was even designed (with Islamic architectural elements, incidentally), the ground was indeed sacrosanct: The bones of some 20,000 African slaves are buried 25 feet below Lower Manhattan. As at least 10 percent of West African slaves in America were Muslims, it's not out of bounds to extrapolate that ground

[TorchTheWitch]

1. there are THREE ground zeros

I'm so damn tired of people pretending that NYC is the only place that attacks occurred. I mentioned in another thread a few days ago that I actually know kids that are too young to really remember 9/11 or were even not born yet that have no damn clue that the Pentagon was also hit and a hijacked plane went down in PA. The media made it ALL about NYC (and specifically the twin towers) and the people follow along. We DON'T need that here.

There are THREE ground zeros. That is SIGNIFICANT and should never be forgotten or brushed aside. The most significant thing about the attacks of 9/11 aside from the the obvious loss of life is that it was in THREE locations in THREE different states one of which was our nation's seat of government.

[SmileyRose]

4. +1

[holdencaufield]

6. Are there plans?

Are there any plans to build a mosque in the Pentagon? Or in that field in Pennsylvania?

It could be argued that NYC is "more sacred" because it was strictly a civilian target. The Pentagon could be considered, by some, to be a military target -- even if the majority of victims in that attack were civilians.

[TorchTheWitch]

12. what the hell difference does it make?

There are STILL THREE "ground zeros". Calling the one in NYC "ground zero" only emphasizes that it is to be forgotten that there were any others. I got a BIG problem with that. And so should YOU.

No, it CAN'T be argued that NYC is any more "sacred" than the other places where attacks occurred for any reason. And you seem to be arguing that NYC is somehow "more sacred" than the field in PA concerning civilians when the plane that went down in a civilian area was a civilian plane full of civilians. Is Pearl Harbor somehow "less sacred" because the attack was on military ships and military bases with military personnel? Are military personnel somehow "less sacred" than civilians in a terrorist attack or other unprovoked act of war???

No, there is NO question that any of the THREE places of the attacks are any more or less sacred than any other to the point of using terms that completely exclude the other two as if they had never been which is exactly what the term "ground zero" means when it only refers to ONE of them.

[SeattleVet]

15. There's already a mosque in the Pentagon.

Well, there's a non-denominational room that's used for Muslim services, anyway...

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/05/muslims_infiltrate_pentagon

[Javaman]

18. while true...

the one in NYC makes politicians the most money and gives them the most publicity.

it has less to do with the poor people who died there (one of my friends) than it does with showmanship and the gullibility of the public.

we are sad sad nation of fools.

[Solly Mack]

2. Here's a link with more info on the burial grounds

http://www.slaveryinnewyork.org/PDFs/Buried_Stories.pdf

[brooklynite]

3. You're not correct...

The African Burial Ground is a block north of Chambers Street (adjacent to the Federal Building), and has no link to the the WTC/9-11 site.

[girl_interrupted]

5. Brookynite, you are quite correct, the OP is not

not only that, the article is from last year. None of this is presently going on.

[butterfly77]

19. I didn't write the article...

tell it to mother jones and it doesn't matter that the article is old.

[Iggo]

7. Not to me, it ain't.

I don't worship ass-kickings.

[BeFree]

9. Ass kickings? No

More a failure of the government. A failure of bushco to do one damn thing to stop the attacks. And as we are learning, it actually helped the attacks to occur by neglecting the warnings and the gathered intelligence. That is NO theory. There is proof of neglect.

[Iggo]

10. Failure of gov't to prevent the ass-kicking don't mean it wadn't an ass-kicking.

I do agree that it's helpful to acknowledge bushco's neglect and how it led to our getting our ass kicked, though.

[BeFree]

11. If what you say is true

Then what is this about 'Sacred ground'? Do people want to celebrate our ass getting kicked?

Do they really want to go around claiming that America got its ass kicked and make a big deal of it?

Somehow that just doesn't make any sense.

[holdencaufield]

13. Gallipoli

Australia still considers Gallipoli in Turkey as "sacred ground" -- probably because Mel Gibson was killed there

[StarsInHerHair]

8. what about Pearl Harbor?

[snagglepuss]

14. Please cite your source for the claim that some slaves were Muslims.

I'd be interesting reading more about it. It's certainly not someting that is widely known. I know that Arabs were in the slave trading business but were their slaves Muslims?

[polly7]

16. I know nothing about this topic, but this is the link from the article.

http://books.google.com/books?id=56wi0rgLrPQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=muslim,+american,+african,+slavery&hl=en&ei=N5B1TKuJO5G-sQOctMigDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=2&ved=0CDMQ6wEwAQ#v=onepage&q=percent&f=false

[Bluebear]

17. This article is a year old

None of this is occuring