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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:01 PM
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AAAIIIIEEEE!! Email from teabaggy cousin...
The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007, the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.

The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
Remember that day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
THANK YOU DEMOCRATS (especially Barney ) for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment...to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie -starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy). Barney blocked it and called it a "Chicken Little Philosophy" (and the sky did fall!)
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA!
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress, especially BARNEY!!!!
So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"
Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving the economy into the ditch.
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.
Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.
And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period:
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.
In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is "I inherited a deficit that I voted for, and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th."
There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!

"The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living."


Where to start? Help!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:08 PM
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1. Visit these graphs/charts
Edited on Fri Nov-18-11 05:10 PM by tabatha
http://www.flickr.com/photos/speakerpelosi/sets/72157623367757714/

Choose which ones you want to illustrate whatever point you want.

Graphics defeat stupid words any day.

(If you don't know how to use Flickr - click on the thumbnail - then click on the magnifying glass - and go to all sizes.
Choose size, right click to download, copy url, etc)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:11 PM
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2. Is he/she saying gets paid to vote, or that there are more members of congress than other's working?
Last line. Either is bragging that he/she gets paid to vote some way, or is delusional enough to believe that there are more members of congress than all other jobs combined.

"if the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets.". The deficit is/was far more than one yr's budget.


A simpler way to reply might be "please don't send me forwarded hyperbolic lies like this".
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:32 PM
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7. LOL... yeah
I'm about to that point.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:14 PM
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3. Wall Street Journal...Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record
President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton‘s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office.


http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:33 PM
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8. WSJ!
That will do well... he thinks he loves that rag... I doubt he reads much though.

Thanks!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:18 PM
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4. So my reply back would be
Edited on Fri Nov-18-11 05:19 PM by Gman
So what specifically did the Democrats do that was so bad and caused such a calamity in less than 2 years? Oh, and BTW, the Dow is at over 11,000 and pushing 12,000. So Obama has brought it back?

The invariable response is a puzzled look and a lot of stuttering and stammering.

Via email, you will usually get no response. You can torture the person and send a follow up asking if they received your reply and if they didn't, you can restate the questions. Eventually you will get the person to just admit they really don't know what they're talking about but just don't like Obama or Democrats.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:39 PM
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13. Good stuff... thanks.
Yes, he's the kind who gives the Navy Seals much credit for foiling OBL... and won't give a nod to Obama even though he's Commander in Chief and the Seals couldn't make a move without him. When backed into a corner with facts, I usually learn that I think I'm smarter than everyone else and that he is entitled to believe anything he chooses. I generally close with... enjoy that fairy tale!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 09:48 AM
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25. Reminds me of Bill Maher and Elizabeth Hasselbeck
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 09:48 AM by Gman
and Hasselbeck sarcastically tells Maher she feels so much smarter sitting next to him, to which Maher replies, "I feel like I'm in high school sitting next to you!"
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:25 PM
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5. Idiot conflates the budget with the deficit.
Useless arguing with someone so profoundly ignorant.

Ask him if he understands the difference between his spending, income, and his debt carried forward from previous year's borrowing.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:35 PM
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9. Yes, useless indeed...
I'm a sucker. It's hard to separate myself from the fun-loving kid I grew up with... even though he's grown dense and sassy and parroty.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:25 PM
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6. Here's a Bush White House press release bragging about increasing minority home owners...
In June 2002, President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to encourage them to join the effort to close the gap that exists between the homeownership rates of minorities and non-minorities. The President also announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families before the end of the decade. Under his leadership, the overall U.S. homeownership rate in the second quarter of 2004 was at an all time high of 69.2 percent. Minority homeownership set a new record of 51 percent in the second quarter, up 0.2 percentage point from the first quarter and up 2.1 percentage points from a year ago.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040809-9.html
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:36 PM
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10. Love this!
I point to this in conversation, and to the YouTube of the speech he gave the following September, but this is new fodder! Thanks.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:37 PM
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12. Bush pushed Fannie and Freddie to make more minority loans...
Gee, isn't that what the righties claim was the cause of the financial crisis?

It was actually President Bush who was the champion on May 17, 2002: "I've challenged the industry leaders all across the country to get after it for this goal, to stay focused, to make sure that we achieve a more secure America, by achieving the goal of 5.5 million new minority home owners.... First of all, government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system...they call those people Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion."
(To see President Bush say it, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8 )
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:36 PM
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11. Will cousin be present at Thanksgiving dinner?




If yes, make other plans.


Condolences. :hug:


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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:45 PM
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16. Thankfully, no...
Very, very large family... hundreds of us... our gathering will be a quaint half dozen or so... solid lefties! Unless my neice's trashy mother has gotten to her... I don't know for certain, but that one strikes me as dumb enough to be a bagger.

Something to be thankful for!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:41 PM
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14. They overlook that Bush was still President and had a veto
And what about right now, aren't the Rs responsible? They can filibuster the Senate and they have the house.

Republicans are sometimes too smart for their own good. Whoever wrote that thinks they came up with something!
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:43 PM
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15. Who creates more jobs...hint, it's not the Republicans!
from the International Business Times

...U.S. Labor Department data indicates otherwise: Democratic U.S. Presidents have created more jobs per year than Republican U.S. presidents.

Over 40 years Democratic presidents created 73.22 million jobs or 1.83 million per year.

The Democratic total and averages are 71.57 million jobs and 1.647 million per year, respectively, if you include the current, partial term for President Barack Obama.

Meanwhile, over 36 years Republican presidents created 34.78 million jobs or 966,388 per year.

Listed below are the jobs created by U.S. president, based on U.S. Non-Farm Payroll data collected by the U.S. Department of Labor:

The biggest job creator? President Bill Clinton -- who created a staggering 22.74 million jobs during the "Roaring 90s," good for an average of 2.84 million jobs per year.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/197170/20110812/jobs-job-creation-job-growth-unemployment-unemployment-rate-lay-offs-economy-presidents.htm
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:46 PM
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17. Ask the bagger why Bush kept his trillion dollar war off the books.
And why he gave tax breaks while charging everything on the credit card. The mess Obama inherited was the result of overspending and undertaxing and the buck stopped at Bush's desk.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:07 PM
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18. Usual stuff
Edited on Fri Nov-18-11 06:08 PM by krispos42
The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007, the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.

The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!

And he was in office for 96 months, so he had 44 months of job loss. Well, once you're at the bottom, there's no place to go but up! Instead, ask a question: did his "job creation" keep up with population growth?

Remember that day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
THANK YOU DEMOCRATS (especially Barney ) for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment...to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie -starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy). Barney blocked it and called it a "Chicken Little Philosophy" (and the sky did fall!)

So you admit the problem pre-dated Frank and Dodd? How generous. In fact, you admit that Frank and Dodd were in power during on a small fraction of the total time Bush was supposedly asking for the problem to be fixed. Okay, then, you're blaming Frank and Dodd for continuing strategies approved by the Republican Congress from 1995-2007. So.... at what point do you blame the people that a) conceived and implemented the laws and policies that created the problem and b) were in charge the bulk of the time the problem was fermenting.

Also, why weren't you complaining all during the Bush Administration?


And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA!
Who was taking the payoff prior to 2008?

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
And who was taking the payoffs prior to 2006?

OBAMA and the Democrat Congress, especially BARNEY!!!!
Corporatist politicians, 99% of the Republicans and 40% of the Democrats

So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Once again, somehow the repeal of financial regulations in the late 90's by Republicans and pro-corporate Dems magically vanishes into the memory hole.

Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving the economy into the ditch.
Yeah, because I remember how the Republicans went limp and flaccid in 2007, bonelessly kowtowing to the Democratic majority on every issue.

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.
That is true. However, since the President has to sign the budgets (unless you can over-ride a veto) then the President does have power over the budget. Furthermore, the budget of this year is ALWAYS influenced by the budgets, policies, and actions of last year, the year before, and sometimes even decades before.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.
Again, how resolutely Republicans refuse to acknowledge that the Republican minority in the Senate RELENTLESSLY filibustered legislation, with the result that the budgets represented REPUBLICAN ideals far more than DEMOCRATIC ideals.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
And a bare majority in the Senate, with Republicans filibustering. Again, memory hole.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.
Yeah, that seems to be a chronic problem with Congress regardless of which party is in control. Pretending it is exclusive to Dems is very selective indeed.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period:
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending.
And WOW, look at that... the economy declined. Almost as if, like in Texas, they passed the costs onto the next Congress.

After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.
Yeah, because he didn't inherit any other expensive things like two wars and a massive, unpaid entitlement called Medicare Part D.

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is "I inherited a deficit that I voted for, and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th."
There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!

"The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living."
False. Only abut 55% of the population votes in a given year, about the same as the employed. No, the problem we face today is that Republican policies still rule.


Where to start? Help!
KILL REPUBLICAN POLICIES
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:09 PM
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19. AWESOME!
:applause:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:18 PM
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21. Copy-and-paste to your friend if you want.
Knock yourself out!


In fact, hit "reply to all" and let loose. :rofl:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 07:28 PM
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23. Thanks!
I think I'll take yours as the start and add from others here... awesome.

Reply to all... oh yeah!
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:13 PM
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20. The Dems didn't have a majority in the Senate from 2007 to 2009.
Edited on Fri Nov-18-11 06:18 PM by Elwood P Dowd
The Senate was tied at 49-49-2. The republicans blocked legislation almost 100 times during this period. It only takes 41 Senators to vote against cloture in the Senate, and the republicans had more than enough votes to block anything they wanted. If if they did pass something that might affect the economy, it would still have to be signed by President Bush to become law. So what exactly did Congress pass and Bush sign into law that trashed the economy? The answer is ALMOST NOTHING came out of Congress from 2007-2009 that could cause a 12 trillion dollar economic crash. The policies that caused it were put in place from 2001 to 2007 when the republicans had their way in Washington.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:59 PM
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22. if they really believe that wouldn't they want more regulations
you know to prevent crazy democrats from allowing them darn loaning institutions from giving just anyone a loan? Wouldn't they want candidates to not be able to receive blank corporate money like Obama did? In Sept 2002 the Dow sat at 7700 who's fault was that or does congress only get credit for blank start and end dates? On Oct 8 2007 the Dow hit 14000! if Republicans can't be blamed for 2002 shouldn't Dems be praised for that all time high? The reason why no one accept the idiot that wrote that blames the 110th congress for the economic crash was having analyzed the decision politically and economically that caused the crash, no sound economist saw cause in the actions of the 110th congress. The worst decisions were made years and years before.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 07:37 PM
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24. Be sure to hit "reply to all"
It'll embarrass the hell out of him. He'll likely drop you from his list.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 09:54 AM
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26. As long as there's a Democrat in office somewhere
They'll have someone to blame.

They also take credit for the Clinton surplus, because Republicans were working hard for us, despite Bill's efforts to run the country down (but for some reason, they can't duplicate this now?)
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