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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 10:55 PM
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'Baggers Truly Co-opted:Tea Party Activists Challenge 'Occupy Black Friday' w/ 'BUYcott Black Friday
Edited on Thu Nov-24-11 10:58 PM by stockholmer
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45416232


Anti-Occupy Wall Street" groups are taking on the protesters of "Occupy Black Friday" with "BUYcott Black Friday." Liberate Philadelphia/Liberate America, a Tea Party coalition of groups countering the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, are challenging the latest move by Occupy Wall Street protesters to occupy or boycott publicly traded retailers on Black Friday by instead encouraging consumers to shop on Black Friday to help the economy recover.

"At a time when our economy is most fragile and ratings agencies are talking about another downgrade of the U.S. credit rating, it's completely irresponsible for Occupy Wall Street to attempt to bring the U.S. economy to a halt on the busiest shopping day of the year," Liberate organizer and a spokesman for the Tea Party, John Sullivan, stated in a press release. http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=r7wrlkdab&v=001BowwB-ubI_GiU7RaLho3RUc1wpaYPOjTBKhNDE5ipjC9ACS9aBM-qtS1WpYV0d1nKBuMWtL7fCIkCMOFcTpynCoLczEmLuWVEzux2naj9gM%3D

Although "Occupy Black Friday" is not meant to be an anti-capitalist movement, according to the group's website, http://www.stopblackfriday.com/2011/11/retail-stores-to-occupy-boycott-on.html supporters of Liberate Philadelphia/Liberate America claim that the entire "Occupy Wall Street" movement is not in support of a free market.

"Occupy's message is frequently one of destroying the American free market," Liberate organizer and President of the Independence Hall Tea Party Association, Teri Adams, stated in a Liberate Philadelphia/Liberate America press release. http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=r7wrlkdab&v=001BowwB-ubI_GiU7RaLho3RUc1wpaYPOjTBKhNDE5ipjC9ACS9aBM-qtS1WpYV0d1nKBuMWtL7fCIkCMOFcTpynCoLczEmLuWVEzux2naj9gM%3D


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Any semblance that this sorry, bitter group of stooges had to the original, pre-Koch Brothers Tea Party has been completely decimated. Nothing but right-wing corporate-whore shock troops they be.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 11:00 PM
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1. CNBC is already reporting on these dips.
Imagine that. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 11:02 PM
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2. every revolution has a counter-revolution nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 12:51 AM
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3. help the economy by buying cheap shit from south east asia and china?
all the ads i went through today i`d guess 95% of the stuff was NOT made in the usa
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 01:17 PM
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22. This is what happens when one is incapable of thinking for one's self.
The teapublicans are tools of corporate America that uses them and then discards them.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 01:05 AM
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4. How's that current system of free-market capitalism working out for the unemployment rate?
:shrug:

Free-market capitalism shipped your kids' jobs overseas.

The fucking stupidity out of these dolts is just depressing.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:16 AM
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5. I'm sure it will be as sparsely attended as most of the Bagger "events"
have been this year. They have been a non-fixture here in Madison now since February.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:19 AM
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6. OWS is hurting itself by advocating "Buy Nothing Day."
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 03:24 AM by pnwmom
It's a good way to alienate many workers in the 99%, who understand the importance of Black Friday in our economy. And now the Teabaggers are taking advantage of this stupid position.

Encouraging "Buy Nothing Day" on Black Friday -- a day businesses use to determine production -- and hiring and firing of employees -- over the coming year, is a terrible idea for the economy.

In this case, the tea baggers are right, and the Buy Nothing people are wrong. Not if they want jobs, that is.

("Buy American" would make sense. "Buy Nothing" is just stupid.)
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:25 AM
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7. There wasn't any OWS last year on Black Friday..
And yet the economy was in the crapper last year and has stayed that way.

OWS is not the problem here, the problem is far too much of the money is going to the 1%.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:05 AM
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8. So? We don't need to make the economy even worse -- not if we want to improve the job situation.
OWS in itself is not a problem. But those who advocate for "Buy Nothing Day" are working at cross purposes to those who want more jobs to be created.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:45 AM
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15. Chemotherapy is a poison that hopefully kills the cancer faster than the host..
OWS is like chemo in that we wish it to kill the cancer that's strangling our society, unfortunately it's likely to have some bad side effects in the process.

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:50 AM
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16. Good lord, not that I believe that you actually speak for OWS,
but good luck with your " we have to make things worse to make them better" plan. Also, OWS isn't a movement to destroy capitalism,and if it becomes one, it will quickly fade away.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 08:03 AM
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17. No one speaks for OWS..
I speak only for myself.

And I didn't say that things *had* to get worse, only that they might.

I also didn't mention anything about destroying capitalism, that came out of your own fears.



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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:19 PM
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26. The 99% don't want chemotherapy. They're suffering enough. n/t
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 11:35 AM
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20. We? WE?
:rofl:

RL
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:20 PM
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27. Yes, we. I'm an American. Maybe you aren't? n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:09 PM
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:24 PM
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28. I'm not sure it's really a "buy nothing" thing.
I'm seeing a lot of "Buy local. Support small business." In fact, tomorrow is "Buy Small Day." OWS does not oppose that.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:34 PM
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32. It is for some OWS groups. Seattle, for example.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:25 PM
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29. "The tea baggers are right."
That's what I call stupid.

NGU.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:35 PM
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33. They are about this issue. It won't help create jobs -- it will act as a counter -stimulus --
if the "Buy nothing" people succeed.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 08:07 PM
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36. Yes, because if people don't shop TODAY!!! they just won't shop at all.
:eyes:

NGU.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 09:10 PM
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37. That's not the point.
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 09:11 PM by pnwmom
The sales on Black Friday are an important part of how companies decide how much to produce during the coming year -- and how many employees to hire or lay off. If sales are unexpectedly low, companies will react by pulling back on production plans -- which would be bad for the economy.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 09:18 PM
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38. And then if sales turn out to be higher later, they'll add capacity. That's how the...
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 09:21 PM by ClassWarrior
...free enterprise system is supposed to work.

Of course, that doesn't make our benevolent overlords' lives any easier, so they plant threats of doom, death and destruction in the ears of the gullible.

NGU.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 05:09 AM
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9. Ack, hit unrec by mistake. Someone please correct it for me?
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:20 AM
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13. Gotcha covered
:smoke:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 01:14 PM
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21. Thank you
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aletier_v Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 05:21 AM
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10. shades of George Bush after 9/11
Do the Tea Partiers even realize they're mimicking Bush after 9/11?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/did-bush-say-go-shopping-after-911.htm
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 05:32 AM
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:02 AM
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12. that would be like me calling for people to...
watch the Super Bowl and then taking credit when they did
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:25 AM
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14. Neither group will have any effect on Black Friday. Those who
choose to shop today will, those who don't wont.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 08:07 AM
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18. The Tea Party has never been the revolution.
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 08:07 AM by mmonk
It is revealed it is the counter revolution.
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DenverDad Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 11:30 AM
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19. Weren't these the same people
who stated, right after President Obama's inauguration, that they would do their level best to NOT stimulate "his" economy by spending as little as possible?
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:25 PM
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30. The very same people.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 01:18 PM
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23. Like they wouldn't have been out there shopping anyway?
Wonder if that shopper using pepper spray on others to get to the Chinese crap first was one of their finest?

:eyes:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 01:20 PM
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24. There was a "pre-Koch Brothers Tea Party"?
First I've ever heard of it. If it did ever exist, I can't imagine it being any different than the Tea Party that exists today. The Tea Party "movement" was always astroturf. It was never grassroots.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:47 PM
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25. original Tea Party was formed in 2006, was anti-corporate, anti-Repub, the Kochs co-opted it in 2009
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 04:55 PM by stockholmer
The original was completely anti-empire, anti-war, pro-liberty, anti-police state. They despise the Koch Brothers. I disagreed with a lot of their libertarian economic views, as I do not think that you can simply drop the government's oversight on corporations until a long process of weeding out the systemic controllers and their governmental-enforced tyranny has been done first, but I do make common cause with them in terms of being anti-war.

The Tea Party that most know now is simply Republican reactionary corporatist thugs, with xenophobia, scape-goating, and empiric blood-lust fueling most members. They hate most the original Tea Party agenda. This complete co-opting shows the power of the modern media, as even many politically astute people are not aware of the time line.

The one thing I always say to people who conflate certain types of American libertarians (libertarian thought comes in a huge variety of flavours, much of it left and/or socialistic) with corporatists by calling them supporters of 'Anarchy for rich white men' is to point out that if this were indeed the case, why do not rich white men support the US libertarians? Far from supporting them, they revile them, as the truly powerful banksters and multinationals are fused in a nexus of corporate fascism that relies on big government regulations to crush their competition from small and mid-size firms.


Here is some info links on the first Tea Party, founded in 2006 by Thomas Knapp, and basically disbanded/co-opted by the Rethugs in 2009 (there are no original leaders in any postions of power left):

http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/a-brief-history-of-the-boston-tea-party-part-one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party_


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Here are some links on left libertarians, anarcho-socialists, etc:


Noted left-libertarians and anarcho-socialists:

Michael Otsuka

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctymio /

Peter Vallentyne

http://klinechair.missouri.edu/Web%20Admin/Vita_Revised.htm#personal


Noam Chomsky (he has called his libertarian socialism an anarchist philosophy)

http://planetchomsky.com /

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Other links to left forms of democratic workplaces and social structuring:


"The Democratic Worker-Owned Firm" by David Ellerman

http://www.ellerman.org/Davids-Stuff/Books/demofirm.doc



"Libertarianism Without Inequality" by Michael Otsuka

http://ebookee.org/Michael-Otsuka-Libertarianism-without-Inequality_341064.html


Why Left-Libertarianism Is Not Incoherent, Indeterminate, or Irrelevant: A Reply to Fried

PETER VALLENTYNE,
HILLEL STEINER, AND
MICHAEL OTSUKA

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctymio/leftlibP&PA.pdf

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http://newpol.org /

New Politics, published since 1986 as a semi-annual, follows in the tradition established in its first series (1961-1978) as an independent socialist forum for dialogue and debate on the left. It is committed to the advancement of the peace and anti-intervention movements. It stands in opposition to all forms of imperialism, and is uncompromising in its defense of feminism and affirmative action. In our pages there is broad coverage of labor and social movements, the international scene, as well as emphasis on cultural and intellectual history.

Above all, New Politics insists on the centrality of democracy to socialism and on the need to rely on mass movements from below for progressive social transformation.

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"Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are, rather, forced upon parliaments from without. And even their enactment into law has for a long time been no guarantee of their security. Just as the employers always try to nullify every concession they had made to labor as soon as opportunity offered, as soon as any signs of weakness were observable in the workers' organizations, so governments also are always inclined to restrict or to abrogate completely rights and freedoms that have been achieved if they imagine that the people will put up no resistance.

Even in those countries where such things as freedom of the press, right of assembly, right of combination, and the like have long existed, governments are constantly trying to restrict those rights or to reinterpret them by juridical hair-splitting. Political rights do not exist because they have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them will meet with the violent resistance of the populace .

Where this is not the case, there is no help in any parliamentary Opposition or any Platonic appeals to the constitution."


– Rudolf Rocker, Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory & Practice, 1947


http://www.iwa-ait.org /

http://www.iww.org /

http://workersolidarity.org /

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More libertarian and anarcho socialists:

Cornelius Castoriadis

http://www.agorainternational.org

Antonio Negri

http://www.generation-online.org/t/translations.htm#negribm


Murray Bookchin

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bookchin/bio1.html


Arran Gare

http://en.scientificcommons.org/arran_gare



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The fascistic model that's been in place in the US since the so-called Progressive Era of Teddy Roosevelt and the creation of the Federal Reserve under Woodrow Wilson.


What you have is an artificially constructed choice called either 'deregulation' by the so-called right-wing, OR 'government oversight' by the so-called left-wing. Both are false paradigms. The last thing the systemic controllers want is a 'level playing field'.

The problem with the US experiment is not big government per se, it is big government that has morphed in all areas over the last 100 years into nothing more than an enforcement mechanism for the systemic controllers. Agencies that should be for the public good are simple the tools of the elite designed to to crush all competition from small and mid-size firms.

This started in the USA during the above-mentioned Progressive Era under Theodore Roosevelt, wherein huge monopolies like Standard Oil, etc, utilized a 'don't throw me in the briar patch' argument to get the force of government into regulating business practices (regulations that many times in the 100 years since they have written, then had a bought and paid for Congress pass). Far from creating a free market, this quashed their rivals in so many cases, and made it exceedingly hard for small entrepreneurs to compete.

The US Animal ID act is a perfect example, wherein a small sized chicken farmer has to pay exorbitant licensing fees per chicken, thus forcing them out of business, whilst monstrously huge consortiums like Tyson, etc, simply are allowed to buy one large bulk license that covers millions of birds.

Check out New Left historian Gabriel Kolko, who in his book "The Triumph of Conservatism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900-1916." In it, he lays out a case for the rise of modern corporatist system during the Progressive Era. This in turn, allows for the violation of a anti-fascistic principle – No socialization of losses and privatization of gains (ie the confluence of big business and big government in mutual reinforcement).

http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Conservatism-Gabriel-Kolko/dp/0029166500

http://www.4shared.com/document/Psy6aMNF/Gabriel_Kolko_-_The_Triumph_Of.html pdf


Kolko was soon joined by other New Left historians such as William Appleman Williams in challenging the reigning "corporate liberal" orthodoxy. Rather than "the people" being behind these "progressive reforms," it was the very elite business interests themselves responsible, in an attempt to cartelize, centralize and control what was impossible due to the dynamics of a competitive and decentralized economy.

.............in advancing the corporate liberalism idea whereby the old Progressive historiography of the "interests" versus the "people" was reinterpreted as a collaboration of interests aiming towards stabilizing competition . According to Grob and Billias, "Kolko believed that large-scale units turned to government regulation precisely because of their inefficiency" and that the "Progressive movement - far from being antibusiness - was actually a movement that defined the general welfare in terms of the well-being of business" .

Kolko, in particular, broke new ground with his critical history of the Progressive Era. He discovered that free enterprise and competition were vibrant and expanding during the first two decades of the twentieth century; meanwhile, corporations reacted to the free market by turning to government to protect their inherent inefficiency from the discipline of market conditions. This behavior is known as corporatism, but Kolko dubbed it "political capitalism." Kolko's thesis "that businessmen favored government regulation because they feared competition and desired to forge a government-business coalition" is one that is echoed by many observers today . Former Harvard professor Paul H. Weaver uncovered the same inefficient and bureaucratic behavior from corporations during his stint at Ford Motor Corporation (see Weaver's The Suicidal Corporation <1988>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Kolko
http://users.crocker.com/~acacia/kolko.html
http://miltenoff.tripod.com/Kolko.html
http://www.stateofnature.org/liberalElitesAnd.html



cheers
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:27 PM
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31. dorky lemmings
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SomethingFishy Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:02 PM
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34. Armed with Pepper Spray they fought their way through
the teeming masses yearning to improve the US economy buy paying discounted prices for stuff made in China.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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susanthaney Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:35 PM
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39. Occupy Black Friday -- GO SHOPPING!!!
It's not just the Tea Partiers who are trying to promote shopping on Black Friday. As a matter of fact, there is now organized pushback from within the Occupy movement, www.occupyblackfriday.info, encouraging folks to show their activism more constructively today...not through boycotts or disruption of commerce this time, but through organized SHOPPING on Black Friday to help boost the US economy and allow more of the 99% to have a voice in this movement.
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