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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 06:22 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 46 (Eman Al Obeidy reportedly freed!)
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-4">AJE Live Blog April 4 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418">BBC Live Blog http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x798103">Day 45 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


A young girl shows off painted flags in Benghazi


http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/04/translated-new-libya-satellite-channel-in-qatar-confirms-eman-al-obeidy-is-released-from-custody-via-telephone-interview/">Translated: new Libya Satellite channel in Qatar confirms Eman Al Obeidy is released from custody via telephone interview
The new Libyan Satellite channel broadcasting from Doha in Qatar has conducted a telephone interview with Eman Al Obeidi in Tripoli in which it is confirmed that Eman has been set free but is yet unable to go back to her family in Tobruk. No other news sources have confirmed this, but we have simply translated the telephone interview for you.

Anchor – So, Eman Al Obeidi that was tortured and assaulted by Gaddafi’s security forces and then imprisoned after she exposed Gaddafi’s actions, here she is now outside the prison bars once again and she joins us now via Telephone from Tripoli. Eman, Good evening. Eman? Can you hear me?

Eman – Hello, may peace be upon you

Anchor – May peace be upon you too. Firstly, praise be to God for your safety. Eman to begin with, the first step was in the way that came out to expose Gaddafi’s regime. What happened so that you came out this ways?

Eman – First of all, I want to congratulate the people of Benghazi and eastern Libya and tell them that we are with you in our hearts and completely in every other way. I want to congratulate our brave revolutionaries, and our families for their resolute stance, and that we are not afraid of them (Gaddafi’s regime). I am here in Tripoli and I am not scared of them or their battalions


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/20114318936441948.html">Libya releases Al Jazeera journalist
One of four Al Jazeera journalists detained by Libyan forces has been released after a bizarre turn of events that saw the team being arrested, freed and then rearrested.

Lotfi Al Masoudi, a Tunisian national, crossed the border into Tunisia on Sunday night.

An Al Jazeera spokesman said that the network is "glad to see the end of the ordeal that Lotfi unnecessarily went through" while calling for the immediate release of his colleagues.

"We are extremely grateful for all the sincere and generous efforts of heads of state, diplomats as well as legal, human rights, media and press freedoms organisations from around the world to secure the release or our colleagues."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVtzEoWBcDk">Libya's rebels under fire - video
Opposition fighters in Libya have over the last two days been attempting to get more organised, but continue to face difficulties inherent in their lack of training and equipment.

Their commanders say they are enthusiastic, but unskilled, and lack understanding of basic military strategy.

Al Jazeera's James Bays met with some of the fighters near Ajdabiya, in eastern Libya.




http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 06:23 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 1:23am Monday, April 4
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 06:25 PM
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2. One reason Qaddafi might fold
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/04/libya?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/onereasonqaddafimayfold">One reason Qaddafi might fold
AS MY colleague notes below, Muammar Qaddafi's troops are holding out pretty well against rebels on the road to Sirte. But his officials, the people who actually staff his government and belong to his ruling elite, are defecting one by one. Why is that?

Here's one tiny window into what might be going on. The European Union imposed sanctions in late February that froze Libyan assets across the continent. As one example, Libya's national investment authority and national oil company are co-owners of a company called Tamoil that owns refineries and gas stations across Europe. The company is still operating, but it may not be for long unless it can cut its ties to Libya. And when you look into the registration documents of the holding company that owns Tamoil, the sole company director, a Libyan fellow, lists his residential address as a condo in Monaco.


Thanks to tabatha. :hi:

Have to afk for a few.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 06:25 PM
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3. K&R
:hi:





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 06:41 PM
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4. I would love to meet that girl and her family one day in a free Libya.
And ask her about her story of "Feb17".
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 06:42 PM
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5. K n R
:hi: to Pinboy and Josh.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 07:15 PM
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6. Youth in Derna voluntarily clean up and fix their roads - welcome to Free Libya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH-KxznW0-E

(translated)
Tuber - Saturday 04/02/2011 - campaign maintenance and repair of the streets of the city of Derna by boys and Youth Association for the homeland for the work of volunteer, under the slogan: Avenue, Rue Rue, hole hole, we will build in Libya - an effort the simplest possibilities, in the time spent where millions previously Kmizaniat to do such business in the era of the People's salad
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 07:49 PM
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8. 36% of Libya is 14 or under. I do construction and observing their work, I say it's pretty good!
They need better equipment, such as a cement mixer (mixing it on the side of the road in a hole with water is still a good hack!), but well done!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 07:50 PM
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9. Did you see the girl with the board at the end? Talk about equal opportunity.
I thought Derna was a place of fundamentalist burka enforcing despots?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 07:18 PM
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7. In Tripoli, Growing Murmurs Of Dissent
TRIPOLI—Opposition to Col. Moammar Gadhafi's regime is simmering in the Libyan capital despite an unrelenting crackdown on any sign of dissent.

Some opponents of Col. Gadhafi in Libya's largest city—home to almost one-third of the population of more than 7 million— say coalition airstrikes against his military capabilities, including several installations in Tripoli, won't be enough to dislodge him from power.

Amid increasing pessimism that Col. Gadhafi will be ousted, some simple acts of defiance are emerging once more. Leaflets with the words "Libya is free" and the image of the monarchy-era flag adopted by the rebels and their interim government in the east have surfaced in some neighborhoods. Antiregime graffiti whitewashed out by Gadhafi loyalists has reappeared, albeit briefly, on walls.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704587004576240680526843302.html?mod=wsj_share_twitter
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:34 AM
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33. LIBYA HURRA -- !! Can't read the rest of it --
Presumably Chad is still supplying G with weapons, etal --



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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 07:55 PM
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10. US begins withdrawing forces from Libya no-fly zone
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/us-withdrawing-forces-from-libya">US begins withdrawing forces from Libya no-fly zone
The United States will begin withdrawing its combat jets, missile ships and submarines from the operation to secure the no-fly zone over Libya, as the conflict appears to be descending into a stalemate between the two opposing sides. The move, announced by senior US military officials, comes amid increasing vocal scepticism from members of President Barack Obama's administration over the capability and representative nature of the Libyan opposition.

Among the US planes being withdrawn are the A-10 Thunderbolt and AC-130 ground attack aircraft, which have been used to devastating effect against Muammar Gaddafi's armour. The number of US navy ships involved in the campaign had already shrunk to nine, compared with 11 at the start of the operation, and it is likely to shrink further in the days ahead.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:05 PM
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11. Libyan rebel efforts frustrated by internal disputes over leadership
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/libya-rebel-leadership-split">Libyan rebel efforts frustrated by internal disputes over leadership
Libya's revolutionary leadership is split over competing claims to command its armed campaign as the rebels attempt to shore up their credibility in the west after losing almost all the territory gained by foreign air strikes.

The dispute comes as the military leadership continues to struggle with the lack of discipline that has been so damaging to its campaign and which led to the death of 13 rebel fighters and medics at the weekend after one of them indiscriminately fired an anti-aircraft gun and provoked a western air strike. Four vehicles were destroyed including an ambulance.

The revolutionary council described the incident near the town of Brega as a "terrible mistake" for which it took responsibility.

The rebels continued a standoff with Muammar Gaddafi's army near the scene of the air strike after making a show of bringing better trained and more disciplined troops to the front along with larger weapons in an attempt to turn around the image of the their force as chaotic, lacking in tactics and largely unable to fight.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:39 AM
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34. Much of this would seem quite natural at this point --
but it may also be inspired by the usual rw attempts to co-opt --

which I'm sure began in the first days!

Same old worries!!

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:06 PM
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12. "What you wish to destroy you first must make ugly."
That was a saying from back in the late 70's when I was working with a group trying to protect a state park and nature preserve from damage and destruction as the result of a federal dam. The idea has stuck with me; as the "compromise", which liberals and conservatives alike accepted, the state developed the area nearby as a grossly over-sized and treeless picnic area. They had to do that in the new floodplain anyway, so it really only added the cost of some paving and benches. The demoralizing effect though came from the sheer ugliness of it all. People stopped caring and gave up. They stopped going to the park and even the newly developed picnic area was unused.

Certainly there's been plenty of effort lately to vilify and make ugly the Free Libya revolution; they would say we've done the same with Gaddafi, but it wasn't much effort and he's handed us everything we know.

Something more deeply sinister happened though after I thought that old struggle was lost, something I didn't "get" for a long time: the liberal center and even the left such as it was had abandoned it's moral conscience and had compromised away a very popular democratic movement. Within a few years they had disappeared and left nothing in that state more than a cynical and amoral cinder.

Beyond that, not much to add right now to what this good group has done for the day. For now though, I think I'd better switch from GD and AJE blogs and move on to Dostoevsky's "Notes From Underground" because he had gone through the very same thing. See you tomorrow, hang in there, K&R.





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:13 PM
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13. Thanks for stopping by, Iterate. Thoughtful as always.
:hi:
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:24 PM
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15. I still think it's because a lot of people on the left are oppressors
Edited on Sun Apr-03-11 08:39 PM by MedleyMisty
I'm reading Huey P. Newton's Revolutionary Suicide, and I'm at the part where he's talking about the beginning of the armed patrols and how the police reacted when the Black Panthers showed up, armed and equal and able to defend themselves.

Upper middle class whites may feel guilty, may want to see themselves as standing up against the man, may identify with the poor oppressed masses who are just marching peacefully, but when the Libyans armed themselves it scared the oppressor class to death.

I think that moral conscience is easy to abandon because it's shallow and self-centered. Like bobbolink said, and what drove her away - the focus on the "middle class", the refusal to see the working class and poor as real people, the only caring about one's own issues and how one's status within the oppressive structure is being threatened.

Take heart - GD does not represent the masses. I think there are far more people with the Libyans out there in the real world than there are on here.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:33 PM
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16. I don't like force of any kind.
I do not like forcing other people to do one's bidding, which I have found even those who purport to support the poor, can do.

I believe in freedom of choice, because one who gives willing on their own time and dime are doing so from the heart.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:42 PM
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19. I call it the culture of authoritarianism.
Basically from the very beginning we are taught that authority of all stripes must always be respected. Often times it comes as a given, that is, the reasons for it are thrown out and it just "is." Ask any high schooler about the constitution and they will not be able to tell you very much about it, in one ear and out the other. You cannot question authority and if you do you will be maligned and prosecuted for it.

In the real world the Libyans have support from the international community, and the despots are shaking in their boots knowing that in the end the precedent suggests only one outcome. The end of oppressors.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:44 AM
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35. Interesting -- especially as contrasted with the Libyans and their faith and regard for
one another -- as mentioned in conversation about G needing to import foreigners to

police his own people because Libyans were just too kind to one another to do it!

THIS, is of course the natural way of the world -- and the rw has been working to

change that all over the planet since time began --

Creating the violence which allows them to rise and to feel comfortable with !!

"Patriarchy and violence are mirror images of one another" --

We also have seen the evidence that the US/CIA has tried to create a violent form of

Islam in the ME -- it is they who created, wrote, printed and shipped those notorious

textbooks which Americans heard so much about on our corporate-news!

If anyone wants more info on that, let me know!!

This is also why a compassionate, non-violent and human Jesus had to be undone!!



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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:19 PM
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14. Ivory Coast's Gbagbo must go – and so should other African leaders who overstay
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/03/ivory-coast-massacres-africa-un">Ivory Coast's Gbagbo must go – and so should other African leaders who overstay
The horror stories have been emerging for weeks. Atrocities against children, bodies on the streets, charred corpses in the morgues. There is disturbing video footage of women mown down by machine guns as they peacefully demonstrate. And now there are revelations of large-scale massacres amid the mayhem engulfing Ivory Coast.

Thousands of people have been killed and one million have fled their homes in the five months since incumbent Laurent Gbagbo lost a presidential election but refused to stand down. His abhorrent behaviour in a country only recently scarred by civil war sparked a conflict that threatens the stability of the region, offers a stark warning to the rest of Africa, and throws down a challenge to the international community.

Last year's vote, delayed at least six times by Gbagbo, was designed to reinvigorate a country considered a beacon of prosperity in its postcolonial heyday. Despite being carried out under UN supervision, judged as exemplary and clearly won by former prime minister Alassane Ouattara, the election has ended up increasing the turmoil that has plagued Ivory Coast for two decades.

Almost all the blame for the chaos can be laid at Gbagbo's feet. The former academic rejected efforts to resolve the tensions while he and his supporters stoked up ethnic and religious divisions with inflammatory language against Ouattara – a northern Muslim – and his supporters and unleashed a campaign of terror. Gbagbo deserves to answer for this in the international criminal court.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:39 PM
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17. Jenkins' Ear does comprehensive daily updates on the Ivory Coast, follow it here:
http://jenkinsear.com/

It's refreshing to see a progressive blog follow this case, as the Ivory Coast is being mostly ignored by ... everyone.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:46 PM
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20. Certainly highlights the complexities.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:57 PM
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99. Thank you, joshcryer, for these reports -- I'm way behind on all of this ---
Sadly, all of this must happen at one time -- it's all connected --

but it's also preventing us from giving it the attention it all deserves, imo.

Trust there may be a better chance of getting Gbagho out than Gaddafi!!!

josh -- don't feel need to reply unless I say something weird -- :)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:42 PM
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18. Libya: Turkish ship rescues injured from Misrata

Source: BBC





3 April 2011 Last updated at 19:03 ET


Libya: Turkish ship rescues injured from Misrata


A Turkish humanitarian ship carrying more than 250 injured people from the Libyan city of Misrata has
arrived in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.



...


The BBC's Jon Leyne, who went on board the Ankara, says many of the patients have extremely serious
injuries, including some amputations.

One man lost part of his leg in an explosion as he was taking his wife into hospital for treatment. A 13-
year-old boy described how he was shot by a sniper. A 12 year old was peppered with shrapnel when a
rocket exploded near him when he and his brother were on their way to the market.

Mohammed Muftah, who had shrapnel wounds on his legs, back and neck, said Col Gaddafi's troops had
"killed entire families".

"I have a neighbour who lost his wife and his three children," he told the AFP news agency. "They did it just
to terrorise people."

...


"It is very, very bad. In my street, Gaddafi bombed us," Ibrahim al-Aradi, who had wounds in his groin, told Reuters. "We have no water, no electricity. We don't have medicine. There are snipers everywhere."

...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12953538







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:54 PM
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21. Merci La France
Edited on Sun Apr-03-11 08:54 PM by tabatha
An image without any finger interpretation issues.



Interesting stuff on the same page

Libya's 'torturer-in-chief' offered asylum in Britain in return for help toppling Gaddafi

Libya’s feared ‘torturer-in-chief’ has been offered asylum in the UK in return for his help to topple Muammar Gaddafi and his hated regime.

The secret offer to Libya’s former foreign minister, Moussa Koussa, was made while he was still in Tripoli and helped persuade him to seek sanctuary in Britain.

But any promise of special protection for one of Gaddafi’s most notorious henchmen has provoked anger from those who want Koussa, 62, put on trial for his alleged crimes.

MP Ben Wallace, parliamentary aide to Justice Secretary Ken Clarke, said: ‘This man should not be granted asylum or any other special treatment; the only proper outcome is to bring him to justice.




‘Peace in a week’ after rebel chief woos loyal tribes

General Abdul Fatah Younis, newly appointed chief of Libya’s rebel forces, has made a dramatic bid to broker peace with tribes in Gaddafi’s own heartland and bring an end to the country’s civil war.

Accompanied by French special forces, he ventured beyond the front line soon after dawn on Friday, striking out across the desert towards Sirte under the protection of Coalition warplanes.

Younis, Gaddafi’s former minister of the interior and one of the first senior officials to defect to the people’s uprising, held a two-hour meeting with tribal leaders at a secret location before returning to Benghazi city.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372780/Libyas-torturer-chief-Moussa-Koussa-offered-asylum-Britain-topple-Gaddafi.html#ixzz1IW0Jsw45
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:55 PM
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23. Beautiful pic, thanks.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 08:54 PM
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22. Gaddafi's deputy foreign minister flies to Athens with peace proposal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/muammar-gaddafi-abdul-ati-al-obeidi">Gaddafi's deputy foreign minister flies to Athens with peace proposal
Renewed signs that key figures in Muammar Gaddafi's regime are seeking an end to the crisis emerged on Sunday when the deputy foreign minister, Abdul Ati al-Obeidi, flew to Greece using the same route out as defector and his former boss, Moussa Koussa apparently with a message from the Libyan government seeking a way out of the crisis.

After meeting Obeidi Greece's foreign minister, Dimitris Droustas said: "From the Libyan envoy's comments it appears that the regime is seeking a solution." Droustas added that Greek officials had underlined the international community's call for Gaddafi to end hostilities.

The message, Droustas said, was: "Full respect and implementation of United Nations decisions, an immediate ceasefire, an end to violence and hostilities, particularly against the civilian population of Libya."
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 09:06 PM
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24. **** Everybody has a horrific tale to share on this ambulance ship ****
Edited on Sun Apr-03-11 09:58 PM by pinboy3niner
Source: Toronto Star





DiManno: Everybody has a horrific tale to share on this ambulance ship


Published 1 hour 7 minutes ago


BENGHAZI, LIBYA—The injuries are horrendous: A hole in the centre of a face where the nose had been,
limbs blown off, shredded torsos held together with staples and bandages, a child’s cheeks blackened
and pockmarked by shrapnel.


Yet these poor people — the medically evacuated casualties of Misurata — are the less critical cases, the
limping and wheelchair-pushed and stretcher-borne wounded extracted by sea from a city being
hammered into submission by Moammar Gadhafi’s merciless forces.

Those worse off, immobile or tethered to critical care machines or simply diagnosed as doomed, were
left behind, a thousand more who’d pressed forward at the dock, pleading, who could only watch
salvation sail away.


...


This is the carnage of Gadhafi’s war on his own citizens, the vengeance inflicted on a city that dared to
claim itself liberated from a madman’s iron fist.


“Soldiers, civilians, it’s all the same to him," says Mustafa Abdellah, who lost his lower left leg in a
shelling attack seven days earlier. “Gadhafi is an animal. Who else would do this to his own people?


“In Misurata, all people can do is pray for this hell to end. I thank God to have been brought away but so
many remain trapped. Please, please help them. Gadhafi is destroying the whole city."



http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/968460--dimanno-everybody-has-a-horrific-tale-to-share-

on-this-ambulance-ship







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 09:21 PM
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25. What a nightmare.
I hope it ends soon for these unfortunate souls who had the bad luck to be born there.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 09:48 PM
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27. They had to leave behind 1000 injured. :(
:cry:

When this is over people WILL understand.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 11:13 PM
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29. I saw an AJE report on the citizens of African countries evacuating Libya to Malta
One boat sank and about 60 bodies floated onto Malta's shore yesterday. :cry:

I'll try to find it and will post it here.

Thank you very much for the Eman news, BTW. Any updates on where she actually is now?

:hi:
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 11:30 PM
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30. AJE report on the Turkish medivac ship departure from Misurata & arrival in Benghazi (Video)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 09:24 PM
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26. 2 Qaddafi Sons Are Said to Offer a Plan to Push Father From Power
Edited on Sun Apr-03-11 09:26 PM by tabatha
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: April 3, 2011

TRIPOLI, Libya — At least two sons of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi are proposing a resolution to the Libyan conflict that would entail pushing their father aside to make way for a transition to a constitutional democracy under the direction of his son Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi, a diplomat and a Libyan official briefed on the plan said Sunday.
Multimedia

The rebels challenging Colonel Qaddafi as well as the American and European powers supporting them with air strikes have so far insisted on a more radical break with his 40 years of rule. And it is not clear whether Colonel Qaddafi, 68, has signed on to the reported proposal backed by his sons, Seif and Saadi el-Qaddafi, although one person close to the sons said the father appeared willing to go along.

But the proposal offers a new window into the dynamics of the Qaddafi family at a time when the colonel, who has seven sons, is relying heavily on them. Stripped of one of his closest confidantes by the defection of Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa and isolated by decades of attempted coups and internal purges, he is leaning on his sons as trusted aides and military commanders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/world/africa/04libya.html?_r=1



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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 10:13 PM
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28. UN says 400 African migrants feared drowned in Mediterranean
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/lampedusa-african-migrants-feared-dead">UN says 400 African migrants feared drowned in Mediterranean
More than 400 African migrants seeking to travel to Italy on two vessels are feared drowned after going missing days ago in the Mediterranean, a UN official hassaid.

As Italy began the evacuation from Lampedusa of the 3,000 Tunisians who have reached the island since the collapse of the Tunisian government in January, another 362 migrants arrived in leaking vessels by mid-Sunday.

But two boats that reportedly set out from Libya on 22 and 25 March, one carrying 335 Eritreans and the other 68 Eritreans and Ethiopians, have disappeared.

"We are urging the coastguard to carry on searching since even after 20 days at sea, some people can survive," said Laura Boldrini, a UN spokeswoman.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 11:43 PM
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31. Qatar Airlifts Seriously Injured Libyans (Video)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:19 AM
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32. Young Libyans flock unarmed to front line
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/04/03/uk-libya-east-volunteers-idUKTRE7321E220110403">Young Libyans flock unarmed to front line
(Reuters) - Often carrying little more than milk cartons, cans of tuna and spare mattresses, hundreds of young volunteers continue to flock towards the front line of Libya's revolt, even if many cannot fight.

Rebel military commanders asked volunteers last week to hang back from clashes with forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi to allow more experienced fighters to coordinate strategy following a chaotic eastward retreat on Wednesday.

But with schools and many businesses still shut and young men with little to do, the volunteers' vehicles -- an eclectic blend of pickup trucks, minivans and even taxicabs -- still litter the road outside Brega, the eastern oil town where fighting has rumbled on for four days.

"We won't go back until Libya is liberated," Mohamed Khairallah, 21, said as he sat beside the stark desert road near the city. "Or until we die martyrs," his friend Saleh added, waving his cigarette. Neither man was armed.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:54 AM
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36. Think this is also why G is killing so many -- and even the wounded ....
and the destruction of so many towns now have prevented fresh recruits --

G is making sure that they can barely survive in these towns -- !!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:59 AM
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37. But people call these kids combatants, I've been saying all along they're not.
They're just putting themselves in a really unsafe situation, they want to be "part" of something that they helped foster.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:51 AM
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62. There's been a great deal of intelligence and wisdom behind this uprising ...
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 11:52 AM by defendandprotect
and if they had time, I'm sure they could put these youmg men to some very significant

and good use -- away from front lines.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:15 AM
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38. Reporting from Tripoli, chafing on Gadhafi's leash (must read about reporters being oppressed)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110403/ap_on_bi_ge/af_libya_bizarre_hotel">Reporting from Tripoli, chafing on Gadhafi's leash
TRIPOLI, Libya – At the Rixos Hotel, Moammar Gadhafi's gilded cage for foreign journalists, fistfights break out. Paranoia is high. And the Libyan government is on unblinking watch for any deviation in the official script.

Waitresses who serve coffee with smiles on their faces act more like trained intelligence agents hours later, when a woman bursts in claiming that militiamen had raped her. They expertly wrestle her to the ground.

Government minders feed reporters the narrative of a nation united behind its longtime leader, then arrest or even expel those who sneak away to find out for themselves. Government-led trips dubbed "magical mystery tours" by the press corps sometimes turn perilous.

And then there's the noise, the pro-Gadhafi music blaring on the bus — with state journalists singing along and pumping their fists in time — and even in journalists' rooms as housekeepers clean them.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:59 AM
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39. Libyan Father: We Lied about HIV Outbreak, Bulgarians Innocent
The father of a Libyan boy, who got infected with HIV in a Benghazi children's hospital in the late 1990s, has confessed that not the Bulgarian medics, but leader Muammar Gaddafi was behind the outbreak.

"My son has HIV. Gaddafi is to blame. We could not say it then. We can say it now. But the revolution means the drugs he takes every day are not coming from Tripoli," Mohammed Gadir, 56, told the Guardian.

Seven years ago, as the government was making scapegoats of a group of Bulgarian nurses, Gadir took the public position that he was "100% certain" that his son had been infected by foreigners testing a "manufactured" strain of HIV on unsuspecting Libyans. He says now that was not his view then but asks what he was supposed to say when living under Gaddafi's regime.

"Gaddafi gave them AIDS. The sheikhs told us that," he said.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=126914


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:03 AM
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40. Which questions we SHOULD be asking about Libya; a response to Fareed Zakaria’s show GPS on CNN Apri
Dear Fareed,

I usually have deep admiration for your views about current issues, but your insistence on the question: is there Alkaeda in Libya is deplorable.

Your prominent guest today, Dr. Brzezinski raised some important points especially the urgency with which the situation in Libya must be dealt with, and the fact that Libya and the rest of the free world cannot afford to have Gaddafi, or any of his sons, stay in power in any capacity. I have the same regard to your prominent guest Bernard-Henri Lévy, he understands what is going on in Libya and the honesty of the Libyan freedom fighters and their just cause.

On the other hand, your other two guests Robert Worth and Robert Baer are wrong. The first has nothing worth saying except unfounded speculations. The latter appears repeatedly on numerous interviews to repeat sentences which convey his belief that Libyans are unruly people for the most part and hard to train, in summary: stupid. I am a proud Libyan and I resent that from him or anyone else. He needs to distinguish between the Libyan freedom fighters who are enthusiastic about their freedom and their future. Please stop calling them rebels. Mr. Baer has never dealt with these decent Libyans who are fighting for justice, freedom and democracy, and must be basing his argument on the disinterested, dumb soldiers he was once hired to train for the dictator regime. He fails to understand this important difference between the two and should be ashamed of that.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/libyan-youth-movement/which-questions-we-should-be-asking-about-libya-a-response-to-fareed-zakarias-sh/144217648978915
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:06 AM
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41. Massive demonstrations in Benghazi supporting Air Strike and angry at Russia - (3/23/2011)
"A most stunning video! You never saw anything like this in any Arab country. This is just amazing.

Thanks, Bobfr, for this jewel. A massive rally in support of the no fly zone, by the people of Benghazi. Those people would have been butchered by now, if President Obama didn’t step in. This video just gave me goosebumps. Someone should send it to Andrew Sullivan and the entire professional left. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhhJnVlUUqQ


http://blackwaterdog.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/a-most-stunning-video-you-never-saw-anything-like-this-in-any-arab-country-this-is-just-amazing/
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:29 AM
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42. Hi, Tabatha!
Tried to reply to you a few times, but still having computer probs and I lose everything--even after re-

typing. :(

I appreciate your being here anyway, but especially when you jump in to take up my slack--whether it's

because I'm sleeping or glitches are keeping me offline. I get by with a litle help from my friends! :hug:





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 10:18 AM
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56. No problemo.
We all do our bits and pieces now and again - but I am getting decent sleep; I worry about you and Josh. Too many weird hours take their toll on health.

I see Iterate is doing a great job, now.

:hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:58 AM
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63. Indeed, Benghazi would have been wiped out --- thank you!
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 11:58 AM by defendandprotect
One exception, whatever Andrew Sullivan may call himself, I certainly consider him

part of the right wing!

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:15 AM
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43. k



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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:34 AM
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44. New Satellite Television Channel Starts Broadcasting For A "Free Libya"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:59 AM
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64. LIBYA HURRA -- !!
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:37 AM
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45. Italy recognizes rebels as Libya's government
Italy recognizes rebels as Libya's government
Reporting from Tripoli, Libya—

Italy on Monday formally recognized the rebel government of eastern Libya, dealing yet another blow to the embattled regime of Col. Moammar Kadafi.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said Rome would open an office in rebel-held territory and formally recognize the Benghazi-based Libyan National Council as the only representative of the country, which Italy once ruled as a colonial ward and to which it maintains deep cultural and economic ties. Italy joins France as the second Western country to formally recognize the rebel government.

Frattini said the Tripoli government had lost its legitimacy and any solution for the future of Libya had the condition that Kadafi and his family had to leave Libya. He rejected the regime's attempts to wiggle its way diplomatically out of its worst crisis after failing to gain a decisive victory on the battlefield or emerge from international isolation.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-diplomacy-20110405,0,2635367.story



Same report on other sources as well.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:01 PM
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65. K/R
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:41 AM
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46. AJE: Rebels and government troops are exchanging fire in Brega
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 06:48 AM by Iterate
11:39am Rebels and government troops are exchanging fire in Brega, and the opposition still appears unable to completely retake the strategic oil town for the fourth straight day of fighting.
A column of fighters moved to within one kilometre of the university on the western edge of town, the AFP news agency reported.

Al Jazeera's Sue Turton, reporting from 10 kilometres east of the city, said the rebels managed to advance west after retreating the previous day due to help from overnight coalition air strikes. They're also fearful of the ground on either side of the main coastal highway, which they say has been mined by Gaddafi's forces.
Human Rights Watch confirmed that the regime's troops have used anti-tank and anti-personnel mines.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-4

ETA:

10:56 Associated Press Backed by airstrikes, revolutionaries have pushed back into Brega and are now in control of the town, AP reports.
http://www.libyafeb17.com/

That report, of course, says more about AP than it does about the truth of the situation. I doubt any of us will live so long as to see an AP report stating simply "We really aren't quite sure."
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:55 AM
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47. AJE: Gaddafi brigades attacked Misla, Sireer oil fields
12;49 Ali Hashem, Al Jazeera Correspondent tweets: Gaddafi brigades attacked Misla oil field and are now attacking Sireer oil filed to the south of Libya
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-4

So far it looks like this is the only source.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:15 AM
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48. Reuters: Libyan envoy in Europe, Misrata described as "hell"
Libyan envoy in Europe, Misrata described as "hell"
By Alexander Dziadosz and Renee Maltezou BREGA/ATHENS | Mon Apr 4, 2011 8:01am EDT

"I could live or die but I am thinking of my family and friends who are stranded in the hell of Misrata," said a tearful Abdullah Lacheeb, who had serious injuries to his pelvis and stomach and a bullet wound in his leg.

"Imagine, they use tanks against civilians. He (Gaddafi) is prepared to kill everyone there ... I am thinking of my family."

"CORPSES IN THE STREET"

Omar Boubaker, a 40-year-old engineer with a bullet wound to the leg, said: "You have to visit Misrata to see the massacre by Gaddafi ... Corpses in the street. The hospital over-flowing."

more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/04/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110404?pageNumber=2


The are two other pages in the more general morning update that begins here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/04/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110404?pageNumber=1
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:11 AM
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59. They've changed the title to: Libyan wounded describe "hell" of Misrata
I posted it LBN recently: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4800047

Thanks for all your updates, Iterate
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:44 AM
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49.  Libya releases Al Jazeera journalist
Not sure if this news has been shared in previous GD threads, but I posted it earlier in LBN: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4799660
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:59 AM
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50. Libya's bright new dawn
Libya's bright new dawn

It pains Libyans that Gaddafi has destroyed our beautiful country. But he has succeeded in one thing: uniting us in opposition
Moez Zeiton guardian.co.uk, Monday 4 April 2011 12.10 BST

...

On my countless visits to Libya I have experienced firsthand the social, civil, political, education and health "systems": they basically do not exist. During his reign in power, Gaddafi has intentionally dismantled all civil institutions. Libyans have suffered as a result, while Gaddafi and his followers have reaped the financial benefits of the country's rich natural resources in what can only be described as the most successful mafia operation of the past four decades.

I once spent two months working in the largest hospital in Libya – Tripoli Medical Centre. I can only describe my experience there as chaos. This was the so-called beacon of the revolution, the flagship hospital, the largest, most progressive hospital with all of the latest facilities that set the standards in healthcare for Libyans; the reality is of nurses unavailable to tend to patients, nonexistent daily ward rounds, multimillion dollar scanners lying unused in locked rooms.

On one occasion, as I observed operations in the operating room, a man would casually walk through in jeans, a scruffy shirt and slicked back hair with a cappuccino in his hands and start a conversation as if he was in Starbucks. No wonder those that can afford it opt for medical treatment in countries like Tunisia, Jordan or even Europe.

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Complete : http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/04/libya-gaddafi-opposition


In the interests of full disclosure I should note that the author is a Libyan expat doctor, living in Britain, who obviously has not forgotten his homeland. I've seen in some quarters that expats are not to be trusted, and I can only say I agree. They fill their heads with ideas of common human aspirations and contrary ideas of "what's possible", then return and make a mess of things. Besides, they obviously lack the ideological purity necessary to stay put and get shot.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:00 AM
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51. AJE: Liberian-registered tanker Equator is due to arrive in Tobruk today
1:55pm The Liberian-registered tanker Equator is due to arrive in Tobruk on today, where it will take on board the rebels' first shipment of crude oil for sail, the Platts news agency reports.
The oil blend is referred to as Serir/Mesla, the name of two eastern oil fields in Libya operated by the Arabian Gulf Oil Company (AGOCO), a subsidiary of the state-owned National Oil Company that Platts says has reportedly split from its parent and is now run by the rebels.
A spokesman for AGOCO says Sarir and Mesla, as well as a third rebel-controlled field, Nafoura, are producing 100,000 to 120,000 barrels a day.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-4
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:12 AM
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52. Orwellian - black is white, up is down, good grief

Video: apparently the whole Libyan social media revolution is a fake! **facepalm**

We’re posting this to illustrate the pitiful attempts of some people to discredit the honest and genuine work being done by countless people through social media to help the cause of Libya. You will without doubt recognise many tweeters in this video, and we can here confirm that they are all genuine and working selflessly to help spread the message and promote the Libyan cause that has been buried for 41 years. Now we have the tools to help, and by God will we use them!

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/04/video-apparently-the-whole-libyan-social-media-revolution-is-a-fake-facepalm/#comments
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:13 AM
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53. AJE video update 0935GMT
Published 04 April 2011 10:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfHoSvViEa0

I little slow in seeing this, but it's still current with other reports.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:27 AM
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54. AJE: ...TNC believes that "more defections will occur"...
3:15pm Al Jazeera's Laurence Lee has just been speaking with Iman Bugaighis, a spokesperson for the Transition National Council, who says that the TNC believes that "more defections will occur", and that the matter of safe passage for Muammar Gaddafi is for him to take up with NATO, not with the opposition.
She said that the opposition has clearly laid down the preconditions for a ceasefire, including the pulling back of Gaddafi's forces and freedom of expression across the country.
She said the TNC refuses to negotiate with any member of Gaddafi's family.
Bughaighis also said that Gaddafi's decision to bomb oil fields was an "act of desperation" to "exert pressure on NATO", as well as to "deprive of any resources".

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-4
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:45 AM
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55. AJE: Voices from Tripoli
Voices from Tripoli

Residents of Libya's capital speak to Al Jazeera about the country's problems and hopes for a post-Gaddafi future.

Throughout the uprising in Libya, Tripoli has been a near blackhole for independent information. Longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi and his associates have waged a propaganda campaign on state television, broadcasting nearly continuous images of celebrating residents cheering Gaddafi, waving the country's green flag and hoisting decades-old pictures of the leader in his trademark military uniform and aviator sunglasses.

Foreign journalists in the city have been mostly confined to their hotels, and when they're allowed out, government minders and security forces have succeeded almost without fail in preventing them from talking to anyone who might voice a critical opinion.

But Al Jazeera has managed to find voices of opposition in the capital. These residents agreed to speak to their friends on camera and provide the footage for broadcast, provided they were not identified. Here are their thoughts.

...

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/04/2011448531670221.html

Text and three video clips follow.

I don't intend to focus too much on AJE right now, but they've got the goods.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 10:54 AM
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57. Algerian claim: Libya chaos 'allows al-Qaida to grab surface-to-air missiles'
Libya chaos 'allows al-Qaida to grab surface-to-air missiles'
Claims that north African wing of terrorist group has smuggled arms from pillaged Libyan military barracks into Mali stronghold
Reuters in Algeria guardian.co.uk, Monday 4 April 2011 15.57 BST

Al-Qaida is exploiting the conflict in Libya to acquire weapons, including surface-to-air missiles, and smuggle them to a stronghold in northern Mali, a security official from neighbouring Algeria told Reuters.

The official said a convoy of eight Toyota pick-up trucks left eastern Libya, crossed into Chad and then Niger, and from there into northern Mali where in the past few days it delivered a cargo of weapons.

...

He also said he had information that al-Qaida's north African wing, known as al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), had acquired from Libya Russian-made, shoulder-fired, Strela surface-to-air missiles known by the Nato designation Sam-7.

"A convoy of eight Toyotas full of weapons travelled a few days ago through Chad and Niger and reached northern Mali," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "The weapons included RPG-7s, FMPK (Kalashnikov heavy machine guns), Kalashnikovs, explosives and ammunition … and we know that this is not the first convoy and that it is still ongoing," the official told Reuters.

more...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/04/libya-conflict-al-qaida-weapons


The report is made to Reuters from Algeria, and the arms are said to have come from the south and to be moved to Mali. All of this is outside NTC control and clearly outside their interests. All of it would be, however, in Gaddafi's control and interests, including the report itself.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:03 AM
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58. Reuters: Kuwait will officially recognize the Transitional National Council within days
17:37 Reuters Kuwait will officially recognize the Transitional National Council within days, the Kuwaiti foreign minister says.
http://www.libyafeb17.com/

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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:31 AM
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60. NATO have just destroyed a T-92 tank
18:12 Wefaq Media report that NATO have just destroyed a T-92 tank that was shelling civilian homes in Misrata vegetable market.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:51 AM
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61. Thankfully.
The nightmare of Misrata is constantly on my mind.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:04 PM
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66. Médecins Sans Frontières Evacuated 71 War-Wounded from Misrata By Boat On Sunday
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:06 PM
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67. Libyan rebels retake much of key oil town
Libyan rebels retake much of key oil town


By RYAN LUCAS, Associated Press Ryan Lucas, Associated Press – 2 hrs 32 mins ago
BREGA, Libya – Libyan rebels on Monday took back much of a strategic oil town that has repeatedly changed hands in weeks of battles with Moammar Gadhafi's forces along the nation's northern coast.

There were bursts of artillery and shelling from Gadhafi's forces in the west as rebels pushed into eastern sections of the town. Women and children were seen fleeing Brega as the battle raged.

"New Brega is under control of our forces and we are mopping up around the university," said Lt. Muftah Omar Hamza, a former member of Libya's air force who had a satellite phone and a GPS around his neck.

Brega stretches out over several miles of the coast and is concentrated in three main sections: New Brega, a largely residential area on the east end; West Brega, which includes a refinery and housing for oil workers; and a university between them. West Brega was still contested.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/af_libya
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:09 PM
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68. 17.48 @NicRobertsonCNN has posted a series of tweets about the current situation of Eman Al Obeidi
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 12:10 PM by Turborama
Here's the final three updates to the chain of tweets:

Says after she was taken from this hotel, spent 3 days in detention & interrogation where they poured water on her face, threw food at her.

However she says it was more psychological torture than beatings. Says she still hasnt seen doctor or psychiatrist.

Says still in Tripoli & harassed whenever she leaves house--chased, detained again, taken to police who dont know what to do so let her go.


http://twitter.com/#!/NicRobertsonCNN


From The Telegraph's live blog: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:11 PM
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100. K/R
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:37 PM
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70. Audio: LPC Zintan:Gaddafi forces attacked from near Yefren, neighboring towns helped repel them
LPC #Zintan: ENGLISH Gaddafi forces attacked from near #Yefren, but neighboring towns joined to repel them

http://audioboo.fm/boos/321650-lpc-zintan-english-gaddafi-forces-attacked-from-near-yefren-but-neighboring-towns-joined-to-repel-them
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:06 PM
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71. AJE: Gaddafi forces fired Grad rockets today at Nalut, have taken Kekla
7:51pm A resident of a town in the Jabal al-Gharbi area, about 230km southwest of the capital, tells AFP that Gaddafi forces fired Grad rockets today at the town of Nalut, and that they have taken the town of Kekla.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-4
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:10 PM
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72. I keep adding updates to this OP about Misrata in LBN
It's early morning here and I'm about to crash. Please add any updates you find to this as well (or just a kick to help stop it dropping off page 1, if you have time) please: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4800047
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:56 PM
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75. willdo, thx.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:44 PM
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101. Thank you
Very much appreciated.

:hi:
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:20 PM
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73. LPC #Misrata: Caller describes attacks in Misrata this AM, possible airstrikes.
LPC #Misrata: Caller describes attacks in Misrata this AM, possible airstrikes. (recorded 4pm Local time) #Libya

http://audioboo.fm/boos/321800-lpc-misrata-caller-describes-attacks-in-misrata-this-am-possible-airstrikes-recorded-4pm-local-time-libya

Also describing attacks aimed toward eastern city klinik and evacuation of all civilians from city center.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:36 PM
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74. K & R
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:05 PM
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76. Gaddafi envoy seeks Turkish truce deal
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 03:08 PM by Iterate
Gaddafi envoy seeks Turkish truce deal:
Libyan envoy meets Turkish foreign minister in bid to negotiate a possible ceasefire with opposition forces.

The Libyan deputy foreign minister has arrived in the Turkish capital, Ankara, in a bid to help negotiate a ceasefire with opposition forces in the North African nation, a day after he visited Greece on a similar mission.

Abdel Ati al-Obeidi and his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoglu were to look at common ground between forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, and the opposition National Council, officials said.

"We will do our best so that the suffering in Libya comes to an end in the shortest possible time and that a roadmap is outlined in a way that would include political changes in line with the demands of the Libyan people," Davutoglu said ahead of Monday's meeting.

After their talks, Turkey's NTV television cited al-Obeidi as telling Davutoglu that the Libyan government wants to see a quick end to the fighting. No further details on the talks were announced.

Full report plus video:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/04/201144103344723978.html

In related news, posted by Turborama in LBN: +1
Gaddafi ceasefire proposal rejected by Italy after contact through Greece
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4800541

or

Gaddafi ceasefire proposal rejected by Italy after contact through Greece
Bloomberg / Athens April 05, 2011, 0:10 IST
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/gaddafi-ceasefire-proposal-rejected-by-italy-after-contact-through-greece/430975
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:16 PM
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77. 16 protesters shot dead in southern Yemen
Yemeni security forces have shot dead at least 16 anti-government demonstrators and wounded 30 in the city of Taiz, south of the capital Sanaa, medics said.

The violence began when thousands of protesters marched through Taiz toward Freedom Square, where demonstrators have been camped out.

As the march passed the governor's headquarters, troops stationed there blocked the procession, and clashes broke out, with some protesters throwing stones, witnesses said.

Troops on nearby rooftops opened fire with live ammunition on the crowd and the marchers then turned to besiege the governor's headquarters, said Bushra al-Maqtara, an opposition activist in Taiz, and other witnesses.

More...

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/2011449582611447.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:00 PM
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78. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 11 PM MONDAY, APRIL 4
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:15 PM
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79. US government lifts sanctions on former Libyan Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa: AFP
fieldproducer RT @AJELive US government lifts sanctions on former Libyan Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa: AFP
5 minutes ago




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:27 PM
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81. U.S.: "He is no longer subject to sanctions for being a senior official of the government of Libya"
The US government on Monday said it had lifted sanctions against Libya's former foreign minister Mussa Kussa, after he defected to Britain.

Kussa had his assets frozen last month as part of a US and allied campaign to put pressure on Col Gaddafi's inner circle.

"Kussa has since severed ties with the Gaddafi regime, and today the United States is lifting sanctions against him as he is no longer subject to sanctions for being a senior official of the government of Libya."

21.31:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:32 PM
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82. That should encourage others to defect.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:20 PM
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80. Tripolitanian Revolutionary forces have now completely liberated oil town of #Brega

Tripolitanian needs to be more careful with his typing. :)

The first, second and third tweets:

Tripolitanian Revolutionary forces have not completely liberated oil town of #Brega
4 minutes ago


Tripolitanian TWEET EDIT: Revolutionary forces have NOW completely liberated #Brega (1 letter makes a difference)
2 minutes ago


Tripolitanian Revolutionary forces have now completely liberated oil town of #Brega
2 minutes ago






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:38 PM
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83. "As of 6 p.m. ET tonight, US aviation assets...to cease strike sorties and...remain on alert status
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 04:40 PM by pinboy3niner
Captain Darryn James, the director of the Pentagon's Defense Press Operations, has just released the following statement:


- There have been no TLAMs (Tomahawk missiles) launched in the last 24 hours.
"- Between 6 p.m. Eastern and 6 a.m. Eastern this morning, one US Harrier (fighter jet) mission engaged military vehicles near Sert and one US A-10 (ground attack aircraft) mission engaged military vehicles near Brega as part of our commitment to protect the Libyan civilian population from attack and support NATO enforcement of UNCR (UN Security Council Resolution) 1973.

"Tonight, US military assets will officially shift to a support mode to NATO for Operation Unified Protector. As (US Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Chief) Admiral (Michael) Mullen said during SASC testimony on Thursday, US strike aircraft will be available in 'standby mode' and could be made available after a specific request from NATO leadership.

"But as of 6 p.m. eastern time tonight, US aviation assets are expected to cease strike sorties and will remain on an alert status if NATO requests their support."



11:00pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-4






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:57 PM
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84. Cote d'Ivoire: U.N. helicopters firing on Gbagbo heavy weapons used to attack U.N. and civilians n



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:01 PM
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85. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:01 AM TUESDAY, APRIL 5
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:07 PM
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86. Foreign journalists in #Tripoli rounded up to attend gov't press conf. due to commence shortly
Foreign journalists in #Tripoli rounded up to attend gov't press conf. due to commence shortly http://t.co/OqiK3Ck #Libya #Feb17
27 minutes ago





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:19 PM
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87. Eman al-Obeidi interview to air on CNN's AC360 tonight, 10 Eastern nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:36 PM
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88. Misrata: Witnesses report continuous shelling today; 12 dead, 20 wounded
Feb 17 Voices have put up a recording of a call with a resident from Misrata. The witness describes a heavy attack on the city today. He speaks about continuous shelling, with Gaddafi’s forces using tanks, artillery and mortars. They attack the sea port and the hospital as well as a private clinic and try to advance further into the city. The call was recorded at 4pm local time.

Tripoli Street, the main street in Misrata, is completely free from civilians according to the caller. He stresses the point that only Gaddafi forces are in Tripoli street and says they have tried to get this information to NATO.

A second caller, a doctor also from Misrata speaks about casualties from today. He says they have received 17 cases from a primary school which was used as a shelter and from sniper fire. 5 people have died, the others were injured and they are still receiving patients. The caller later updated the casualty figures to 12 dead and 20 injured.


Audio of the calls here:
http://www.libyafeb17.com/





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:45 PM
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89. NYT reporter Anthony Shadid, held 6 days by Gaddafi regime, says he won't return to Libya
Shadid told Wolf Blitzer a little while ago that he'll take an assignment in the ME instead.

On Libya he said it would be "probably taking a few too many risks to go back."





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:58 PM
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90. UPDATE 1-Malta tells Libyan envoy that Gaddafi must go
UPDATE 1-Malta tells Libyan envoy that Gaddafi must go

VALLETTA, April 4 (Reuters) - Maltese Prime Minister Lawrence Gonzi told Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Abdelati Obeidi on Monday that Muammar Gaddafi and his family must relinquish power.

Obeidi, an envoy from the Libyan, flew to Malta following talks with government officials in Greece and Turkey on ways to end the Libyan conflict.

"The Prime Minister reiterated the Maltese government's position that the resolutions of the United Nations must be respected, that the Gaddafi government must step down, that Colonel Gaddafi and his family should leave and there should be an immediate ceasefire and a process to enable the Libyan people to make its democratic choices," the government said in a statement.

Gonzi earlier also expressed "disgust" with what was happening in Libya's third largest city Misrata, which is being pounded by Gaddafi forces.

Malta has stayed out of the United Nations-mandated military actions against Tripoli but has sent humanitarian aid to Misrata on trawlers.

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE73328K20110404
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:01 PM
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91. More Orwellian nonsense
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 06:01 PM by tabatha
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:04 PM
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92. Government ready to hold elections, referendums or carry out any other political reform
Reuters Government spokesman Musa Ibrahim said the government is ready to hold elections, referendums or carry out any other political reform. He also vehemently denied that the government have been attacking civilians and called the journalists “unprofessional”.

00:38:
http://www.libyafeb17.com/





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:10 PM
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93. Libya has said Gaddafi must stay--Reuters
Libya has said Gaddafi must stay, but the country is ready to discuss reforming its political system, Reuters reports.

The government said only Libyans themselves can decided if Gaddafi should stay or not.

12:31am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-5





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:14 PM
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94. Perdita Nabbous Interview April 3 2011
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:41 PM
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96. Thanks for posting that, Tabatha
:fistbump:

I saw the interview, but couldn't find it posted at CNN. Next time I'll check YouTube first. :)


:hi:





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:31 PM
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95. "Oil fields of Msala & Sireer (400km south of Ajdabiya) completely destroyed by Gaddafi’s forces"
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:55 PM
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97. Rebel Chief Asks for Timely Strikes, Helicopters

Source: Wall Street Journal





APRIL 4, 2011, 7:02 P.M. ET.


Rebel Chief Asks for Timely Strikes, Helicopters


By CHARLES LEVINSON


BENGHAZI, Libya—The top military commander of Libya's rebels said opposition fighters are unlikely to make significant gains against Col. Moammar Gadhafi's forces unless the North Atlantic Treaty Organization responds more quickly to requests for airstrikes, and gives the rebels advanced weapons,including helicopters.

"If NATO listens to us and takes our requests seriously, this war won't last long," said rebel Chief-of-Staff Gen. Abdel Fattah Younis, in an interview at a safe house in a rural suburb of Benghazi. "If they don't give us what we are asking for, I don't know how long it will last."

Fearing attack by pro-Gadhafi sleeper agents in rebel territory, Gen. Younis and other senior rebel leaders sleep and hold meetings in rotating, undisclosed locations.

Gen. Younis said NATO needed to provide advanced long-range weaponry to rebel forces, and allow rebel forces to acquire and fly helicopters against Col. Gadahfi's forces. Rebel leaders have consistently voiced frustration with the limited weapons in their arsenal, which is largely consists of small arms, such as machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and short-range rockets.

"The international community needs to send us weapons we can confront Gadhafi with," Gen. Younis said. "At least we need weapons equal to Gadhafi's."

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—Nathan Hodge in Washington contributed to this article.


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