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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:18 PM Original message |
Household Income Short of $68K? Welcome To the New Poverty |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. A study by who? n/t |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The DC-based nonprofit Wider Opportunities For Women |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And unlike the government, they're using the average of what things cost |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Same here! All I see are costs going up yet the gov. says inflation is under control. Total |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
194. How come everyone can pass along their costs... |
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vim876 (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. By Jove! |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #194 |
203. That, is an excellent idea! We need to get this river flowing the other way! |
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guyton (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Wider Opportunities for Women (WOW) |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. And each year Americans settle for less and for many a lower standard of |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
117. "Don't let the government mess with my Medicare." OMG, the |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 12:55 AM Response to Reply #117 |
214. ...............it burns! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
175. Totalitarian regimes depend on behavior control to maintain power. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. And yet so much public assistance is based on poverty levels that are unliveable. |
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howaboutme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. A lot still depends on location |
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donco (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Ten four |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Yes and no. |
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howaboutme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Agreed - Debt and location |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. My friend's debt is from |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
185. I still don't understand that |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #185 |
197. She is making payments on a vehicle. |
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vim876 (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #185 |
202. Do you live in Alabama? |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:17 AM Response to Reply #43 |
128. Uhhmm—"paying for one's own education"?... with education costs rising every year... doesn't happen. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #43 |
139. Debt and location AND how if you lucky enough to have health care coverage, |
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howaboutme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #139 |
150. Wealth and power is about luck and caste |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #150 |
206. Yeah. They've been grooming us for this for years culturally. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:37 PM Original message |
And before the US got this notion that it had been elevated to run the world and |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
140. Don't let it be forgotten that most houses then were a LOT smaller. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #140 |
149. Yep, definitely, "the houses then were a LOT smaller." I also think back then many |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #149 |
188. Materialism today is on steroids! |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #188 |
195. Right on, the mc mansions and over sized cars are prime examples of steroid materialism. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #188 |
205. It's ridiculous, isn't it. Exactly as you said, "Materialism today is on steroids!" I can |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #205 |
215. I might go back |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
118. Small point, but the 'inflation' you reference was brought about |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #118 |
159. the oil shocks of early 70's most definitely had a lot to do with the inflation later that decade |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #118 |
168. What? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #168 |
184. I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree about this. My |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. I look at it from the other side.... |
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Evolve_Already (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
134. Spot on rant. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
186. The biggest 'tax' of all is..... |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. I live quite comfortably on one fifth of that. Location matters a LOT. nt |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. as a family of four? |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. in Los angeles, a family of 4 might struggle. In Missouri they could live like royality |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Flat bullshit. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. not on 13.5K, on 68K |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Read the other replies to your statement. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Ok. I stand corrected. Folks from the middle states alway express surprise at $1300 rent for 1 bed |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Housing is rough everywhere now, by what I've seen. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Yeah, it's like squeezing a balloon. You save in one area, but costs expand in another area. The |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
95. YIKES!! A three bedroom house in the country on acerage goes for $800 here. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. Where do you live? |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. I'm guessing pretty rural. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. It has to be very rural. |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #114 |
153. $430, one-bedroom... |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #107 |
123. OK. Prices are a little higher than last time I checked, but $600 is still enough |
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neoralme (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #123 |
178. Those ads are kind of interesting. Thanks. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #123 |
183. Wow, those rents in Eugene really are reasonable. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #123 |
196. Wow. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
172. $800 gets you a room in a house in LA, Shared room in West LA |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #172 |
182. Or a 200 sq ft five floor walk up loft |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
190. Salaries are much higher there..... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
131. That sounds normal. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. A family of four could live like royalty on $13,600 in Missouri? |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. on the 68K, while struggling on that same amount in Los Angeles. 13.5K wouldn't allow |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. I live in Missouri, |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Exactly, thank you. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. I'm on the other side of the state |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Yeah, I can't imagine trying to fit childcare in on that! |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Her degree is in business/finance. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. I live in Missouri. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. Don't have kids if you can't afford them. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Doesn't do much good for those who had kids in more affluent times and then had |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. That is something that always gets on my nerves. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
74. Not a slap in the face. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I had a decent job. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Why did she have children? |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. She had two children. |
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scorpiogirl (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
102. Huh? |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. My child, born in 2000, |
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scorpiogirl (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Must be nice to live in such a black and white world, eh? n/t |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Life would be ever so much easier on us all. nt |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #102 |
113. And I and my siblings shouldn't have been born, because my mom had no way of knowing that my father, |
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scorpiogirl (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. That was a terrible thing to happen, |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:15 AM Response to Reply #116 |
122. No, I agree with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear. |
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scorpiogirl (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #122 |
170. My bad |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #113 |
142. Well, maybe |
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vim876 (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #142 |
207. NO ONE |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #74 |
145. How about it's called "Shit happens," when a person gets laid off from a good job, can't |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #74 |
161. "It's called planning for the future." |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
180. Yeah, I really planned for |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
181. It IS a slap in the face, and your redirection is just stupid... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
198. So the what you really should have said was |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
199. So the what you really should have said was |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:15 PM Original message |
I'm am sooo far from smug. If you only knew.... |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
65. The smug is you telling people who had kids in better financial times who are now |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Um, we've been through hell with the child support. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Not sure what that has to do with telling anyone else how many kids they |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Because people bitch about paying for their kids |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. That's not what you're saying, though. |
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scorpiogirl (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. Thank you. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:40 AM Response to Reply #45 |
129. Obviously, if your circumstances change, you should consider doing away with your child... |
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neoralme (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
166. I actually think that's right. When my wife and I got married in |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
193. What if you become divorced, widowed, or unemployed |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
201. i had a lesion on my brain,and lost everything when I went on disability |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
94. OK. A technicality. If you're going to go and spoil my bragging... |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. So, yeah, you've definitely made some smart choices, but certainly you can agree adding three |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #94 |
127. you live alone, own your property, & are retired (so no work-related costs, including |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #127 |
179. " i don't see the relevance to the op." |
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tech9413 (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
96. Having dropped out in 02, I've gotten by on about $11K a year |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. I guess so if you have to have a new car and your average |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. so WOW is wrong? |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. They may be right in certain areas of the country. Can you |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. As to how? |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Why does a family today need a home |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I think the point |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. I asked that in this thread . . . |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. Wow looks like you struck a nerve, don't have two days to read |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. I have no idea what you are talking about. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
87. I live in appalachia and the place you describe sounds |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Not a third world country. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Sounds exactly like where my in-laws live. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. I know that area. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
66. Those aren't real middle class, those are pretend middle class. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. I have to agree with that most of those people are in debt |
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LiberalCatholic (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #81 |
208. I did that. |
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spinbaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
133. Whose house is twice the size? |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. I would encourage you to read the original study; it didn't include any of that (cells, cable, etc.) |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Key word |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Right. And that basic costs an average of $68k for a family of four, using a nationwide |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
101. That's impossible how would you determine what it costs |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. The cost is for a basic lifestyle. Anything over that (larger houses, etc.) would be extra. And as |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is precisely why poor people don't take middleclass people seriously about this |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. I agree that "poverty" was the wrong word for them to use. To me it looks like the study |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. It all depends on what "stay afloat" means. A big house, rather than adequate one? |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. See post #22. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Then middleclass people need to UNDERSTAND what it means to live on disability |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. A bit more understanding from you about the fact that not all in the middle class want a Hummer |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Oh right. I'm giving you a clue... the anger level among poor people is building. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Take a piece of your own advice. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Dear,, I already know that the election next year is up for grabs. I don't have to "take my own |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. You are filled with blind hatred, so much so that you burn those who would agree with you. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
158. And next November when you don't get the votes you want, you will scream and shout about |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Fuck if I know. I've gone rounds with my RW brother and SIL, and it's like talking to a brick wall. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Yes, there are about 25% of the population that is beyond any reason. Sad, but the fact. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Agreed. I don't have access to many liberals in real life, sadly. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Thank you. I am glad that at least one person on this thread can get what it happening here. |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
120. They do that here? |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:44 AM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Yeah. It was worse back when the extension of the Bush tax cuts was being debated in Congress. |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
173. Ugh. |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Some of us |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Its funny... I'm trying to point out what should be obvious... suddenly "the poor" are middleclass |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. Maybe somebody needs to retool that "Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack" essay so it applies to |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
155. "I will feel welcomed and 'normal' in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social." |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
80. Guess I am totally missing |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #80 |
154. So self-centered-ness is OK. Got it. Its OK now for straights not to care about gay rights, |
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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #154 |
167. wow you lost me |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Well, it sounded that way. Working to advance other causes IS the tradition of the party. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. Sorry, but that is untrue. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
157. And you say this because you have been listening to so many poor people? |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #157 |
171. You have absolutely no grounds for making a judgement |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. I *asked*. So don't make the claim. Simple. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
71. Well, that's part of Faux News' double speak. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
191. $674 a month is hardcore poverty. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. Don't forget AT LEAST $12,000 a year for health insurance (for 2 people) |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. That's a steal if that's for TWO people. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
88. NOT FOR US, it isn't. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #88 |
137. It's all a ripoff. The only thing it's good for is an annual checkup and catostraphic (if you .. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #137 |
163. I see. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. RE: dental |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #164 |
187. And that ladies and germs tells the whole story about health care |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #164 |
210. On the plus side they also seem to like being paid on the spot without having to deal with submittin |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #17 |
143. I have a job, with bennies |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
37. Your better not brag that you can afford car insurance, child care, |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
50. Uh, $12,000 a year on car payments and insurance? |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. We haven't bought a new car since 1996... |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
52. So... use condoms |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Family of four means TWO kids. As for the rest of your incredibly condescending, demeaning post, |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. OK, so don't pump out two kids |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Now, I'm childless by choice, but where the fuck do you get off |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. like your style |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. and you wonder why I called your post smug? |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Isn't that what is having kids is? |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I'm not aware of any hydraulics involved, no. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. Pump out kids? That's so vulgar and frankly sounds sexist. Did your mom pump you out? nt |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #86 |
97. I had one |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Yep, an old water pump... I think that phrase is a way to dehumanize women. nt |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. It is. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
119. two kids is replacement level. your knowledge of demographics is on par with |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Thank you. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #125 |
146. And all this, on a "liberal" (???) forum |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
91. For those who say this study is crap. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. And that would still be extraordinarily inexpensive health insurance for one person, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. True, but then again, I was out of money at that point, so I didn't push the issue. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
211. Well, now, that can't be. You're doing something wrong. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #91 |
212. For those who say the study is crap, I suggest reading the methodology report. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
121. The working poor. Not a lie. |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
126. No one is saying a family making $50,000 is worse off than someone on welfare |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
130. K&R |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
132. The new poverty? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #132 |
156. Exactly. Its the "ME Generation" at work. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
135. so is there a law that if you earn 68 grand you have to buy a new car? |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #135 |
147. I caught that as well. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
136. that's hardly "poverty" and does a dis-service to those who |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
138. Elizabeth Warren "The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class" |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #138 |
162. The rich has crippled this country and erased the middle class. |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
141. Never forget that these are the people responsible for this. |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #141 |
165. This needs to be filed under "obscenity." |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
144. So stop buying new cars and rent an apartment. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #144 |
148. But one must keep up with the Joneses. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
151. Absolutely disgusting and completely, sadly, unsurprising. |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
152. My family of 4 lives on 36,000 a year. We just bought a house, |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
160. Perhaps not poverty |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
176. I'm not much above that and I have a family of *6* and just bought a new home last year |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
192. Their numbers are pretty messed up IMO |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
204. K&R for the tragedy of it all. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
209. So how do we, as a society, justify the minimum wage? |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
213. That sounds about right, though "poverty" is what you make it |
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IndyPragmatist (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #213 |
216. impossible.... |
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