The ladies of the view are all relieved that KSM's trial won't be held in NYC

[apples and oranges]

Whoopi, Joy, and Barbara who usually voice the democratic view on The View stated today on the show (4/5) that they were relieved that Khalid Sheik Mohammed will not be tried in NY. They were worried about the platform he would have had for 2 years, and the feelings of the 911 families. He would also have had access to appeals which would have dragged the case on even more. The 911 families deserve justice, not an ongoing farce. I agree with them and I think they speak for a lot of New Yorkers and Americans.

[monmouth]

1. I see no problem with it either...n/t

[truebrit71]

7. You're right..who needs the Constution anyway..it's just a peice of 'goddamned paper'...right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... :sarcasm:

[Rage for Order]

2. Whoopi "It wasn't rape-rape" Goldberg? Who cares what she thinks about anything?

I tend to not value the opinion of child rape apologists.

:shrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX_D0Bv9M0

[apples and oranges]

6. You're missing the point, which is that many democrats in NY do not want the trials

in New York.

[Rage for Order]

8. A trial in New York would have created a circus-like atmosphere...

And I agree with the administration's decision to try KSM in a military tribunal in Guantanamo instead. However, I will always remind people of Whoopi's whitewashing of child rape in the Polanski case.

[ReggieVeggie]

3. The American justice system is a farce?

Well, military tribunals for everybody! Woo hoo!

[KittyWampus]

4. No, not everyone. Just those who plan/perpetrate large scale attacks on American targets.

[ReggieVeggie]

12. so you agree with Bush and his cohorts then

nice

[apples and oranges]

5. It can be, especially in high profile cases

[ReggieVeggie]

13. so, by your logic, let's just suspend laws when we feel like it

That's the essence of your argument. If any criminal can't be tried fairly within the parameters of the justice system then let's just scrap the whole thing. Or, do you feel that a convenience store robber and someone accused of criminal acts against the United States aren't the same?

[gratuitous]

9. They torture, we torture

They have kangaroo courts, we have kangaroo courts (and please, no lectures on military tribunals and their peculiar brand of justice). They blow up innocent civilians, we blow up innocent civilians.

Remind me again how it is that we're so different and better than the terrorists? I think our system is not only preferable to one run by madmen cloaking themselves in religious language, I think it's more durable. It can withstand the rigors of its own enumerated rights. Because if our Constitution doesn't apply to Khalid Sheik Mohammed today, it may be deemend to not apply to you or me tomorrow. I want him tried in open court, with the very best defense counsel that can be found.

If the United States has fucked up by torturing him and coercing statements and violating his rights, then let him go. That's OUR fault. On the other hand, if there have been no irregularities, let Mr. Mohammed be fairly tried and if the evidence is sufficient, convicted. What better witness would we have to the world than by adhering to our own principles, even in the face of terrorism? If our principles are that fungible, that we'll jettison them as soon as we're scared enough, then we don't really have those principles after all. We've compromised our moral standing enough in the last 10 years. It's time to act like grown-ups again, and get over being so pants-wetting scared.

[Bake]

10. Try him in the US. So what if he appeals. He'll be in prison waiting for the appeal.

If you don't want it in NYC, move it to a different venue.

Bake

[okieinpain]

15. where, no one wants it. n/t.

[Bake]

16. Oh well, then let's just skip the trial and take him out and hang him.

Where they want it doesn't matter. The LAW is what matters.

Bake

[okieinpain]

17. you have to admit no state wants to have it held in their cities. so

what are you going to do force them to have it. the law is what matters remember.

[Bake]

18. Hell yes, force them to have it.

They want the protection of the law, they take what goes with that. I don't think most people - especially New Yorkers -- are as chickenshit as the ladies of The View.

Where in the fuck did Americans' SPINES go????

Fuck it, take him out and hang him. Shoot him. So what. No biggie. We lost America years ago. Fuck it.

Bake

[okieinpain]

19. LOL! wouldn't forcing a state to hold the trial violate the

constitution.

[Bake]

20. Ummm ... in a word, no.

He would/should be tried in federal court for federal crimes. Federal courts are located in every state in the Union. There are very specific rules governing jurisdiction and venue -- which in this case point to New York or maybe PA or DC. They don't violate the Constitution, unless you can come up with a specific article/section that it violates.

Oh, but we don't WANT a trial here!!! We're scared!!!

We've turned into a nation of pussies and chickenshits. Fuck it. Let's hang him and get it over with. I don't give a shit any more.

Bake

[okieinpain]

21. now I'll agree with the pussies and chickshits. this is a nation of

spoiled people who want it their way or no way. but the other part I think you're giving the president too much power.

[Bake]

24. The AG/DOJ, actually. But I'm not giving anybody anything.

It's been the established law of federal courts at least as far back as when I went to law school 18 yrs ago.

Bake

[Robbins]

11. Well

Why don't we try everyone In Military court If it Is so great? Or better yet why not stop trials all together and just execute
people?

As long as shit like this happens the US has no business lecturing about Civil Rights.

Military courts are not justice.They can be kangaroo courts.

[white_wolf]

14. Yes let's just ignore our laws and Constitution

to protect peoples feelings. :sarcasm: We shouldn't subvert justice to spare people's feelings.

[spanone]

22. i disagree with them, but i really don't care what they think.

[Modern_Matthew]

23. Are you sure that's what they said? All that clucking on there makes it difficult to translate. nt