If Ron Paul ran with Kucinich as his running mate...

[ecstatic]

Poll question: If Ron Paul ran with Kucinich as his running mate...

Ron Paul just told Dylan Rattigan that he might run in 2012. Paul and Kucinich are good friends, and there is a chance that he'd choose Kucinich as his running mate (just as Kucinich said he would choose Paul as his running mate). How would you respond to such a scenario?

Read all choices before making a selection :)


ETA Their campaign may have already begun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBdRVH3AUI (Paul & Kucinich appeared together on Fox News 4/1/11)

And here are two background videos for people who are shocked by this combination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJcnoDfFWhM&feature=related Ron Paul talks about Dennis Kucinich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18&feature=related Kucinich Picks Ron Paul For His Running Mate

[physioex]

1. Not a chance....

Paul is a nut bag libertarian, who is against social programs and women's rights.

PS It is my humble opinion that every citizen has an obligation to be informed and participate in the political process (which includes voting).

[tootrueleft]

2. How about Kucinich running. The guy is incorruptable, it would be a nice change of pace....

[ecstatic]

3. Kucinich is deep in debt right now nt

[MrCoffee]

7. Ugh...no more legislators...there's got to be a decent governor somewhere

[elleng]

8. Unable to govern, imo.

[okieinpain]

14. didn't he sue someone for breaking his tooth. n/t.

[AlabamaLibrul]

29. He's not a supermillionaire like most of Congress

If someone broke my tooth, I'd sue them too.

[okieinpain]

30. didn't he get married to some super duper looking blonde lady. n/t.

[apocalypsehow]

39. Nonsense squared: 1. He "broke" his own tooth, and 2. he makes $174,000, plus COLA, plus full health

benefits. That's not chickenfeed.

He had no business wasting taxpayer money filing that lawsuit.

[AlabamaLibrul]

94. Good to know you want to deny people their legal rights n/t

[apocalypsehow]

101. Good to know you want to allow dubious tort claims to strip the U.S. Treasury bare.

Ain't Strawman arguments fun? :eyes:

[treestar]

17. He did in 2008

[apocalypsehow]

40. It would be a "nice change of pace" - for the GOP, who would have the luxury of detouring campaign

dollars they would have earmarked for the presidential race into congressional & local races.

Because a Dennis-for-president campaign would carry Cleveland, and maybe Washington D.C., but not much else.

[blondeatlast]

62. +1. nt

[bobbolink]

54. If the OP is true, then it proves conclusively what I have been saying.: that Kucinich is NO

champion of poor people.

If he likes Paul that much that he would choose to run with him, then he obviousy is just s willing to do away with poor people as Paul is.

ABout time Kucinich fans admit the obvious.

[blondeatlast]

63. There's many delusions about Kucinich around here. I was initially

a Kucinich supporter in '04 mostly based on his health care proposal. Latley he kind of worries me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

70. It's not true.

Just silly speculation by the OP.

[quinnox]

4. Kucinich on any ticket would cause me to seriously give it

due consideration for my vote.

[Scuba]

31. Me too. n/t

[ecstatic]

43. How would you justify the compromise that would entail?

Isn't your biggest beef with Obama and his supporters that they are too practical?

[quinnox]

51. Both of them are highly principled

men, and I respect that. I'm not a reality denier though, I know this ticket would never happen. So I'm not going to discuss it as if it was a serious proposal.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

85. Like when Ron Paul didn't reject Stormfront's endorsement?

Great principles there. :eyes:

[Champion Jack]

5. It would be comedy gold!

[ProSense]

6. "I would vote for Paul, and would be angry if Obama won"

Because who needs Government when a racist is available?

[pacalo]

9. Well, gee...I'll have to think about that...

[SheilaT]

10. I am constantly amazed that anyone here

knows so very little about the way party politics actually work to think that we would ever have a ticket that consists of one candidate from column, I mean party A, and the other from party B.

There is absolutely no way on god's green earth that such a thing would make it in the convention, of EITHER party.

Maybe, just maybe, there could be and independent running ticket like that, but then think about how successful the independent candidates have been over the years.

So may response starts with a giant, "Huh?" and ends with, "You are not grounded in reality."

[ecstatic]

15. It almost happened with McCain and Lieberman, and Clinton

told Kerry to choose McCain in 2004. So it's not that far fetched, especially when a person views him/herself as a maverick.

[KamaAina]

36. Clinton told Kerry to choose McCain?!

Linky?

[ecstatic]

46. Sorry, it was Biden

although Clinton did say in an interview that she'd also support such a ticket.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542473

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1662813

[KamaAina]

52. My next question would have been "which Clinton?"

Mark it down in the "whopping Biden gaffe" column.

[physioex]

42. Heck it did happen....

Dont forget Gore-LIEberman.

[karynnj]

49. Clinton had nothing to do with that - a top McCain staffer suggested it to Kerry

and Kerry and McCain spoke, but Kerry would not even consider it unless McCain became a Democrat. They found they were too far apart on too many issues and McCain could never be a Democrat. (It was a ticket that would likely have won - and it would have been much harder to attack Kerry's service record. It never would have worked because there would have been nothing in it for McCain. )

McCain/Leiberman did make sense as they do agree on quite a bit - and Leiberman might have switched to be on the ticket. i think it would have been a much harder to ticket to beat than McCain/Palin.

[SheilaT]

89. Nope. Now where near "almost happened".

It WAS a popular fantasy, especially here on DU.

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. Although the two may agree on a few things, they are miles apart on most issues

[Lyric]

12. I'd never vote for anyone who's anti-choice.

That includes Ron Paul. I am more than a brood mare, and I would never vote for someone who didn't respect that.

[blondeatlast]

48. I've always been uncomfortable with Kucinich's flip on the issue too.

To some tiny degree, I can respect those who have the belief that abortion is wrong at conception but if one truly believes that I see no room for ANY compromise.

FWIW, I am vociferously pro-choice.

[NorthCarolina]

96. So, Obama being conflicted over an issue like Gay Marriage is OK,

but it's not OK for someone like Kucinich to be emotionally conflicted over an issue like abortion?:eyes:

[Lyric]

97. I know this wasn't directed at me, but to answer you:

Neither is okay. Frankly I think it's as inhumane and selfish to expect gay people to vote for politicians who oppose full gay equality as it is to expect women to vote for someone who opposes choice.

[Justitia]

88. Amen, sister. -eom

[CrossChris]

13. Now I'm furious with Kucinich!!! How dare he!!!

Let's see how often you can mention his name next to Ron Paul's until it becomes a virtual fact that they are running together.

[cali]

16. silly poll.

[ecstatic]

22. When you look at the current field of candidates, I wouldn't be surprised at all

if Paul entered the race. And Kucinich and Paul are pretty tight. Here is their latest joint appearance on Fox News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBdRVH3AUI

[mdmc]

18. NYS here

so my electoral vote goes to Obama..
I'd send the nys gop a message of praise for letting paul / kucinich rep their platform..

[Solomon]

19. Is this a joke?

'Cause that ticket is.

[LeftishBrit]

20. Well, obviously I can't vote in America

but the thought fills me with horror.

We in the UK are suffering badly from a much milder, but still awful enough, version of that, with Clegg taking his party into coalition with Cameron, and doing his bidding on most issues. And Cameron is not as bad as Paul; he believes in *some* sort of social safety net- Paul wants to tear it all down. And Kucinich would have very little influence as VP, unless Paul became ill or died.

Kucinich: look across the Atlantic, and see how Clegg has brought himself and his party down. Look at the earlier example of Ramsay Macdonald. And please avoid tarnishing your reputation, not to mention the harm you'll do to your country and perhaps the entire world, by enabling the rise to power of a MONSTER like Paul!

[panader0]

21. So somebody voted that they won't be voting?

[LeftishBrit]

24. It wasn't me, but it might have been another non-American, or for some other reason ineligible

[demmiblue]

23. Before I vote, could you provide some links? n/t

[ecstatic]

27. Updated OP with links nt

[abelenkpe]

25. I would NEVER EVER vote for a libertarian

Especially not Ron or Rand Paul. Even if you paired one of them with Ghandi. Never ever happen.

And I'm curious as to why those lunatics are even mentioned on this board.

[sharp_stick]

26. Fucking Pathetic post

and even more fucking pathetic is anybody that would seriously consider a vote for a POS like Ron Paul.

I don't give a shit if that prick was running with the re-incarnation of Jesus Christ he would never get a vote from me.

Today is just another day in fantasyland here in DU.

[ecstatic]

28. Updated OP with background links nt

[Better Believe It]

32. I would not vote for a Paul/Kucinich ticket.

[AlabamaLibrul]

33. Everybody who's said we can work with certain RW/libertarian elements towards a common goal

Patriot Act, MIC, War on Drugs, endless Guantanamo etc. Here's your shot.

Of course, it would be against the rules to advocate for a third-party ticket.

[TNLib]

34. I would be Undecided

I kind of like some of Ron Paul's policy positions and don't think he's lieing about his conviction to his ideals, unlike Obama who's all talk. But at the same time Ron is a republican and I would
have a really really hard time voting R not to mention he has said some pretty racist things in the past.

[LLStarks]

35. I like how Ron Paul aims for a paradigm shift towards leaner, less corrupt government.

Sure, many departments and agencies will get cut, but at least defense spending will be brought down to a sane level.

[ecstatic]

50. Fascinating. You don't mind the Dept. of Education being cut?

:shrug:

[LeftishBrit]

99. And the cuts in services would lead to lots of people suffering and dying as a result of

poverty, lack of healthcare, etc.

Too many do already.

'Leaner government' generally means 'Fuck the poor! Fuck the old, very young, sick or disabled! Let's see how far back we can go to something like Dickens' time!'

Certainly it means that from someone like Ron Paul.

[upi402]

37. Ron Paul hates CORPORATISM

It's like when Jerry Brown and Pat Buchanan were the only folks against NAFTA aside from kooky grampa Perot (who was used to discredit the anti-NAFTA debate).

[JoePhilly]

38. And what if Aliens came and endorsed Kucinich????

Then what would you do.

Geeze.

[Angry Dragon]

41. The Regressive PArty is finding it real hard to find a

candidate better than nothing................

[PeaceNikki]

44. I would write-in "Unicorn/Cyclops"

[blondeatlast]

45. What has Joe Biden accomplished lately?

The Veep has no power until the Prez is no linger prez for whatever reason.

[RaleighNCDUer]

47. He'd be lucky to get 10 votes.

They might be friends, might like each other, but the followers of either one DESPISE the policies of the other. Paul would get no votes from the Kucinich side, and Kucinich would get no votes from the Paul side. Result - nobody votes for the ticked except by accident.

[Renew Deal]

53. Then you would have two anti-choice candidates running together.

:shrug:

[OutNow]

55. At Least They Would Bring The Troops Home

If a Paul/Kucinich ticket got traction with an anti-war platform it would be because Obama failed to end two wars and may have started another.

There is an excellent chance that Paul/Kucinich would bring all the troops home. This is something to think long and hard about.

OTOH, Paul would be likely to use those troops to suppress unions and other progressives when they struggle against the rampant corporate control that a Libertarian regime would unleash on us. Not a pretty picture.

But Obama can easily eliminate any political threat by a Paul/Kucinich campaign. It's easy. Bring the troops home. Get us out of the twin hellholes of Iraq and Afghanistan. Don't get sucked into a war in North Africa. And while he's at it - close Gitmo too. See - easy.

[Ohio Joe]

56. WTF?

We have people here that would vote for a douchebag like Ron Paul... WTF?

[Raine]

57. I'd vote for Kucinich

if he was the top of the ticket, being VP counts for nothing.

[blondeatlast]

58. Apparently, some DUers are unaware of Paul's desire to eliminate the Dept. of education.

At least, I hope that explains the endorsement of this gawdawful idea.

[Shagbark Hickory]

59. Not a fan of Paul. If DK is merely the VP then I'd opt for something else probably.

Strange scenario.
It'll never happen but brain teasers are fun.

[mcollins]

60. Seriously? You can't be. nt

[rucky]

61. I'd be too busy watching monkeys fly out of my butt

to vote.

[blondeatlast]

64. Yoga or mirrors? nt

[davidthegnome]

66. Can you really do that with yoga?

I've been practicing on and off for years - and I can't. Gotta be mirrors.

[blondeatlast]

71. Twist from the waist and looking down, maybe?! nt

[rucky]

83. If I could do it with yoga I wouldn't need the internet.

[flvegan]

65. Nope. I'm still voting for Lee Mercer, Jr. n/t

[blondeatlast]

73. How can you miss?

1. The United States Federal Congress has encouraged me to want to become President of the United States so that I can do what the President of the United States of America is supposed to do and complete the federal and military government biography and autobiography in development in Eye Spy Community-Military Intelligence (All Three) Business and Commerce Intelligence Education across the board National and International.

2. To prove I have a United States Government Bid to be President of the United States America in 2008 and there after a United States Government ROTC Compulsory Action bid for the Presidency of the United States Of America through Eye Spy Community-Military Intelligence ( All Three ) / the United States Army Military Intelligence Academy Camp Bullis San Antonio, Texas – The University Of Texas at Austin ROTC – My Home Houston, Texas Old Community Army Base certificate post awarded evidenced by my MERCER FOR PRESIDENT committee members Former U.S. Attorney General Honorable Janet Reno, Former Chief of Staff of the United States Army General Colin Powel and Former Secretary of the United States Army Togo West and if needed others in Eye Spy Community-Military Intelligence ( All Three ) Business and Commerce Intelligence National and International.

Time to retool for '12!

http://www.mercerforpresident2008.com/c14f7f9dd9bbed555232a5cb8defd6f7.html

[flvegan]

76. Already tooled!!

http://www.mercerforpresident2012.com/

[blondeatlast]

79. Endorsed by the United States Congress--spectacular!

For the win.

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. None of the above

[fishwax]

68. A Ron Paul administration would be a nightmare

:puke:

[BoWanZi]

69. DK and RP together? Seriously? Seems like diametrically opposed viewpoints on the same ticket

[G_j]

72. good friends?

link?

I doubt if that is an accurate description.
:shrug:

[ecstatic]

78. Are you able to view the links in the OP? nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

74. how about Bruce Willis with Johnny Depp as his running mate?

it is just as likely if not more so

[madinmaryland]

75. Un-recced for being a worthless thread.

:wtf:

[DainBramaged]

77. How is this even feasible? And some people say my polls are shit.

:shrug:

[Bluenorthwest]

80. What a garbage post

[TheKentuckian]

81. For what??? For Kooch to play insurance policy?

[readmoreoften]

82. E. None of the above.

[NorthCarolina]

84. Kucinich-Yes. Paul-NO. nt

[hayu_lol]

86. Ah, here comes the emergence of a new party...

the clown party.

[Zorra]

87. No. But no, just no. nt

[ReggieVeggie]

90. One more selection: This is a bullshit poll

thank you

[swilton]

91. Ventura also said he would be Paul's running mate

[ROFF]

92. Both

would need to have their heads examined.

[SidDithers]

93. 22 people should be TS'd...nt

Sid

[Hugabear]

95. Who the fuck is saying they would vote for Ron Paul?

There are 22 pro-RP votes. Any of these Ron Paul supporters have the courage to argue their case?

[HarveyDarkey]

98. Where's the "none of the above" choice?

I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul under any circumstances, although I like Dennis & wrote him in in '04, I didn't vote for Obama in '08 & don't expect I ever will.

[Warren DeMontague]

100. Eh, I wouldn't vote for either of 'em, separately.

Kooch is brave, I'll give him that, but he's not my brand of brave.

Ron Paul? Nice to see how certain "libertarian" principles- like, er, ending the FUCKING DRUG WAR- get jettisoned when the time comes to participate in the GOP primary field.

No. Try pairing an ACTUAL left-libertarian with an actual libertarian leftist, and then talk to me.

Like maybe John Perry Barlow and Bill Maher.