"I'd rather have a Democrat torturing, eroding our rights, & favoring the rich, than a Republican."

[JFN1]

WHY?

[emulatorloo]

1. Strawman. IBTL n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

35. Anything but.

[cali]

2. are you quoting someone, or just yourself?

[JFN1]

8. to be fair, it is a paraphrase repeated quite often.

n/t

[emulatorloo]

13. really? Links then

[JFN1]

25. All over the place.

The hypocrisy is everywhere. A lot of people have chosen to be blind to the truth that too many things which are ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IMMORAL, and CORRUPT are still going strong under a Democratic President.

When ANY of us turn a blind eye to such things, things which we FUCKING KNOW are wrong, just because our guy is pulling the strings, it demonstrates one of two things:

1 -- Either there is a level of hypocrisy operating that is comparable to EVERYTHING we derided Republicans and Freepers and Tea Baggers for, or
2 -- I am missing, as I suspect many others are missing, some vital piece of information that makes it wrong when a Republican does it, but acceptable when a Democrat does it.

So - just trying to figure out which one it is, because if it is the hypocrisy thing, then we need to have a serious face-to-face conversation with ourselves, and decide if we want to keep lying to ourselves, or if we want to figure out what is going wrong that allows us to accept our own hypocrisy while condemning the same thing in others.

How can anyone take us seriously, if we are hypocritically calling out others for their hypocrisy?

So please - if you have that missing info I requested above, I would love to have it.

[cali]

23. to be charitable, that's, er, not true.

and what dog shit it is.

[The Philosopher]

27. I think it's a variation

of the reply of criticism that we'd be worse under a Republican President.

[Drale]

3. Well theres the fact that republicans want you dead because

you think for yourself and will never just do what your told. Is that enough to not allow republicans to get more power?

[gateley]

4. Where'd you get that quote? Link? nt

[leftstreet]

5. Because Democrats don't MEAN to do it

They feel really, really bad about it

:-)

[Adsos Letter]

6. I keep getting "404 webpage not found" in your sig-link...

:shrug:

[JFN1]

18. Sorry, keep forgetting to change that

I shut the site down - my web host Lunar Pages had me stacked on a server with like 220 other sites - well, someone let their security slip and the whole server got hacked. When LP went to fix the problem, everything in a public_html folder on the server was irretrievably deleted by some hapless LP technician. Oops! Since much of what was on the site was not backed up (posts, images, etc.) and the software I was using was mostly patched together because I am clueless about software, I had no real hope of reconstituting the site. So it is now gone...

[BzaDem]

7. While the question is entirely bogus, perhaps you will figure out the answer once Medicare is ended

and we go back to the Pre-1965 (or potentially pre-1933) safety net for the poor.

One thing is certain: eventually, you will figure it out. Reality hitting you smack in the face (in a way you will never forget) has a tendency to do that. The only question is how much damage strategies like yours do to yourself and the country BEFORE you figure it out.

[sendero]

9. You act as though.

... Obama would lift a pinkie finger to stop that. Facts not in evidence.

[BzaDem]

14. You act as though Obama would sign such a bill into law. Absurdity not in evidence. n/t

[sendero]

20. Name ONE time when Obama stood firm..

... against big business over everyone else. You can't do it because he HASN'T.

[BzaDem]

31. Elizabeth Warren

When he realized she couldn't get confirmed, he told Congress to shove it and put her in that position by executive order.

I don't mean to sound like there aren't many (if not most) times he has made decisions that hurt various business interests. But I have seen most of these decisions spun by people on DU, using obvious sophistry to pretend they actually help the business interests they hurt.

The reason I mention the Elizabeth Warren decision in particular is because I have yet to see someone even attempt to spin that decision using sophistry as one to help business interests. Will you be the first?

:popcorn:

[upi402]

41. +1,000

Obama says we all have to take a hair cut. Why are we bald and the Whigs are playing Rampunzel Rampunzel?

[leftstreet]

11. Now, now. The Catfood Commission isn't going to let that happen n/t

[BzaDem]

16. Nice try. Even if you assume the catfood commission's failed plan is somehow supported by Obama

even the catfood commission didn't end Medicare.

[TheKentuckian]

12. If we come to such a pass, there will surely be DINOcraps going right along.

Just like every other toxic piece of shit passed for a generation.

[BzaDem]

15. When it happens, you'll realize just how wrong you were. Of course, it will be too late then.

The country will likely be screwed for a decade or two. The only silver lining is that you would never make the same mistake again, so perhaps when the same battle is fought in a few decades, you'll make the rational decision. Humans have evolved to not be perpetually irrational -- the devastating consequences of one's actions are usually enough to change behavior.

[sendero]

26. Denial firmly in evidence.....

... you actually think Obama is better than the average Republican. In talk yes, in actions, he IS a Republican.

[BzaDem]

28. So in your opinion, you are absolutely certain that Justice Kagan is no better than Justice Alito?

And if not, isn't your statement false on its own terms, regardless of ANYTHING else he has done?

[dennis4868]

10. Thankfully....

Obama is not that person.....

[cliffordu]

17. Bogus Posit.

FAIL

[AKDavy]

19. A very good question that my 4-year-old granddaughter knows to ask

but politically-indoctrinated adults seem to forget. They can tell you the who, what, where, when and how, but the why eludes them.

The answer is: If you don't care whether your door is being kicked down by someone's Right or Left boot, it doesn't really matter which party you vote for, as long as you vote for one of them.

[fascisthunter]

21. because the person was a moron for saying so

[joentokyo]

22. Posts like this make me fear that we are getting the government we deserve.

[BobbyBoring]

29. No doubt about it

We are getting the government we deserve. We gave become a nation of idiots. Those that have some semblance of sanity and intelligence remain silent while rabble rousers manage to get the worst possible candidates elected to high office. The ante was upped in 2010 and look what happened.

[cali]

24. first of all, no here has said anything like that.

secondly, the 'it's all the same crowd' are drooling morons of the first water. I'm a little more than tired of this idiocy. damn, I really do hate fucking asswipe stupid.

[ecstatic]

30. "It's OK to post lies about Obama & his supporters as long as I claim to be progressive"

"I'm just being critical, you know?"

:sarcasm:

[JFN1]

34. Hey - Remember when Repubs impeached Clinton for a BJ?

Mr. Obama is COMMITTING WAR CRIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, just like Bush did.

Do you truly, honestly believe, that Republicans will stop for ONE FUCKING SECOND to start an impeachment inquiry on Obama for breaking the fucking law as soon as his hand falls from the bible during the swearing-in ceremony?

If we can't get this guy righteous, if we can't hold him to LEGAL STANDARDS, we are no better than a bunch of drunk cheerleaders.

So - keep denying that we have some serious STRATEGIC PROBLEMS with our President's current performance - yeah, and shoot the messenger - that always stops the bad stuff from happening.

Am I wrong? You believe Republicans don't have contingency plans? Seems like the plans they have been following are working awfully well for them, because if you haven't noticed, they've been KICKING Our ASSES for more than a DECADE!!!!!

So - anyone want to think - or is emotive just too fun?

[Atman]

32. Crock. Of. Shit.

Steaming hot.

[JoePhilly]

33. Masturbate somewhere else. nt

[JFN1]

36. MODS - Please lock this thread.

My bad. I was doing shots of 180-proof snark earlier...guess I let frustration rule instead of reason.

Apologies, all.

:blush:

[FiveGoodMen]

37. Think you had it right the first time.

[grahamhgreen]

38. K&R. Hear, Hear! To the top!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

39. In a parallel manner, it in many ways looks like Jerry Brown is doing what the Gropenator would have

done...and many are smiling and thanking him in California

[upi402]

40. Exactly! Why is this not obvious?

I'm accused of being an idiot for stating this obvious fact here. Is this not DEMOCRATIC underground? Republicans are Republicans - even when they con their way into power in our party.

Color and gender need to be ignored. Wake up! Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill, Obama... R's vs D's
It's overwith alread!

[Logical]

42. Obama has done good things also. The GOP would do no good things.

[OnionPatch]

43. It's kinda like the frog in the pot of water.

Republicans will throw you right in when it's boiling. The Dems will turn the heat up slowly, all the while telling you they're cooling it down.

[Lorien]

44. I've been thinking about this too. Which is more dangerous for the Country; a repug, or

a Democrat who behaves like a repug by advancing GOP ideas and legislation? Our first instinct would be to say "why a republican, of course! They don't even try to hide the fact that they're corrupt and evil anymore!" and it's true that they push for truly vile and evil legislation loudly and openly. But when they do so, OUR base, and a few Democratic representatives, PUSH BACK against them as we've seen in Wisconsin and elsewhere. In contrast, a Democrat who privately supports the GOP agenda and eagerly advances it by offering "compromises" before they are even requested is opposed by no one except a few members of the marginalized "fringe". So a well liked Democrat would have a far easier time of, say, making huge cuts to Social Security and Medicare or getting us into a new war because members of their own party don't want to "weaken the brand" or break ranks by publicly opposing them. They end up with no serious opposition at all, which emboldens them to take their agenda further and further to the right and pass more harmful bills and tax breaks for the uber rich than the GOP could without sparking an uprising.