Idaho Repug opposes Abortion, Even w/ Rape and Incest, 'cause the "Hand of the Almighty" is at work

[marmar]

By Melissa McEwan | Sourced from Shakesville
Posted at April 8, 2011, 7:00 am


Idaho Lawmaker is Against Abortion, Even in Cases of Rape and Incest, Because the "Hand of the Almighty" Is at Work


(Trigger warning for rape, rape apologia, and Christian supremacy.)

There is not enough shutthefuckup in the world for this mess: Arguing against an abortion exception for rape, Republican state legislator Brent Crane, author of an anti-choice bill in Idaho which would criminalize abortion after 20 weeks with no exceptions for rape/incest, severe fetal abnormality, or psychological health of the pregnant woman, whipped out the old "God's plan" chestnut:

The Idaho bill's House sponsor, state Rep. Brent Crane, R-Nampa, told legislators that the "hand of the Almighty" was at work. "His ways are higher than our ways," Crane said. "He has the ability to take difficult, tragic, horrific circumstances and then turn them into wonderful examples."

I'll just go ahead and reiterate

what I said

when former Nevada GOP Senate candidate Sharron Angle was talking the same shit: If an anthropomorphic god with a "plan" for every human being existed, and Crane's version of that god were accurate, and that god actively used rape as a way to execute parts of its "plan," then I would seek commune with that god strictly for the purpose of rejecting it outright, strongly preferring on principle an eternal consignment to hellfire than even inadvertently conveying an infinitesimal moment of confusion as to my position.

(H/T to Spudsy.)


http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/553987/idaho_lawmaker_is_against_abortion%2C_even_in_cases_of_rape_and_incest%2C_because_the_%22hand_of_the_almighty%22_is_at_work/

[Drale]

1. Well if his mother had gotten an abortion after incest with her brother

He might not be alive to act like an ass today.

[sinkingfeeling]

2. And all those deformed and dying babies should be the responsibility of this man (?) so he can pay

for their care.

[Zephie]

3. Ahh, Idaho, I am so glad I don't live THERE anymore...

Not that Florida is much better off right now. I lived in Nampa for awhile, it's quite a hole.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. I don't get it ... I thought this was the time when the Lord was allowing Satan to have reign on

earth. What part of that do they not understand.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. They don't have to understand it. They just say what they like and insist

that it's "Gawd's will". If you question their interpretation they can always find a bible verse to twist around to mean anything they want it to mean. Reason and logic are not part of the equation.

[FiveGoodMen]

5. Theocratic nightmares could be just around the corner.

Wake up, America!

[gratuitous]

6. Tell ya what, Brent Crane

When you get pregnant, then come talk to us about what the Almighty is thinking. Because I was praying this morning and mentioned your name, and God said, "Who?"

[fasttense]

7. It sounds more like the hand of Satan is involved in rape and incest.

Not the hand of God.

I think the hand of Satan is also involved with Brent Crane.

I sure as hell wouldn't worship a God that tortures and maims women just to get them pregnant.

[walldude]

8. I see. So his mythological creature has a plan...

What if I don't subscribe to his mythology?

Is this guy saying that because he believes in a mythological creature that everyone else has to follow his rules?

Wow another Freedom Hater.

[Name removed]

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[Biker13]

15. Thank You...

for calling me names, very enlightened and tolerant.Name calling to show how "cool" you are is so junior high.

The up side of this is that the backlash is huge, at least for us progressives trying to turn Idaho around. I'm new to Idaho, having moved here from the east-coast. Yes, the state is in trouble, but it is slowly turning around. Wait until the next round of elections. Not all of us are Neanderthal cretins.

Biker's Old Lady

[PearliePoo2]

17. well good luck in turning Idaho Blue, Biker Lady.

I wish you success in "the next round of elections" but I'm not holding my breath.
I've spent lots of time in Idaho, it's a beautiful state (geographically), but overall the predominant mind-set is definitely fundie red-neck.

You can take a States political pulse by the people they elect.

Does Larry (wide-stance)Craig ring a bell?
How about Rep. Helen Chenoweth, who believed salmon can't be endangered because she saw lots of cans on Safeway's shelves?

And then there's the panhandle. Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations World Congress sound familiar?

I'm pro labor so I find THIS repulsive too:
"The Idaho Senate and House have gone after unions with gusto this legislative session. Idaho is already a right-to-work state, where workers haven’t been required to join unions as a condition of getting a job since 1985."

The people of Idaho ELECTED these morons and returned them to office time and time again.
Once again..good luck.

[Major Hogwash]

25. Richard Butler died in 2004, his compound was siezed in a civil lawsuit, so you can climb down now.

Out of whatever treehouse you're living in.

[PearliePoo2]

36. I know he died..and I know his property was seized

So??? And this means WHAT exactly?
What does his death have to do with the kind of despicable person he was in life?
Are you calling me names? Review the rules please.
From Idaho too, eh?

What do you have against treehouses?

[PearliePoo2]

20. Did you alert on me for calling you a name?

I did NOT specifically call YOU a name and you know it.
I said that Idaho has Neanderthal cretins and YOU chose to take it personally.
Then....you call ME Junior high school "cool".
Isn't that name calling? Are you being hypocritical?

[PearliePoo2]

21. Oh and while I'm at it....at the risk of having this deleted too...

You are NEW to DU, you are NOT a donor and your profile is HIDDEN.
Anything else I'm supposed to be impressed with?
Who are you REALLY?

[Major Hogwash]

26. It's against DU's rulez to bash newbies, so you ain't eggsactly a good representative of DU

Helen Chenoweth was killed in a car accident in 2008.

Calm down before someone drops a house on you, too.

[PearliePoo2]

35. She was killed in a car accident...

yes???....and??? You're ok with her then?
Are you going to drop a house on me? Is that a threat?
Review the rules please.
You ain't exactly a good representive of DU.

[NICO9000]

10. He oughta worry more about his web site

Check out the first three listings for this search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=brent+crane&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

They all show this as their listing header:
"Brent Crane - State Representative Distrcit #13"

No abortion, no family planning, no sex education, hell, no education at all! Take a look at the picture of this douchebag. Typical clean-cut Rethug fascist.

[and-justice-for-all]

11. Delusional morons....nt

[jmowreader]

12. This is what's REALLY pissing me off about this bill

Let's leave out the part about not allowing abortion after 20 weeks even in the event of terminal fetal abnormality. The Idaho Statesman (Boise's newspaper, and the largest in the state) researched this and found the new law would have stopped exactly six abortions last year--ALL for conditions that would have either killed the fetus before birth or the baby shortly thereafter.

The problem is, over the last 10 years the Great State of Idaho has spent $750,000 to defend unconstitutional abortion laws which were ALL overturned in the courts. The Attorney General, Lawrence Wasden, told the legislature this bill was unconstitutional but the legislature told him to go piss up a rope. And now we're going to spend another quarter-million to defend THIS unconstitutional law.

[IDemo]

14. He's not the only one here

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-10-31/the-idaho-gubernatorial-candidate-named-pro-life/#

[eleny]

16. This country is way overdue for a secular backlash

[theHandpuppet]

18. Maybe we should hope for the Rapture

So we can finally be rid of these lunatics!

[northernlights]

19. ah, so the almighty's hand is a prick

and a rapist prick, at that. Don't remember ever hearing that one in church. okey dokey. message received.

[panzerfaust]

22. If there is an Abrahamic-Style All-Mighty God

then it is of necessity true that all is as He Wills: For impossible it would be for anything to occur which He does NOT Will.

I do wonder though, what He had against all those folks in 東北地方 (the Tōhoku region of Japan) - but ours is not to understand the Divine Plan.

If He can bring such Stern Justice (for His Justice it must, by definition, be) to the tens of thousands there, He is no less capable of laying His Hand of Tribulation heavily upon some random woman in Idaho - and, no matter how horrible such actions may seem to those of us who sit in the darkness far from the Light of The Lord, who are we Sinners to judge the actions of God?

Of the Abrahamic Faiths (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), only Islam seems unflinchingly to face up to this necessarily true fact and so makes submission to God a central tenant of the religion: لإسلام‎ (al Islām, the Surrender to Allah).

Only Islam does not try to hide the bloody hands of the All-Powerful Creator God of Abraham, for that honesty alone I must admire it.

[Boojatta]

23. Meanwhile, Idaho government computers are protected by firewalls.

Do all Idaho government employees wear chastity belts? I don't think so. It's time to remove firewalls from Idaho government computers. To use those firewalls is to deny the power of the Lord.

...

Also, it's a chore to crack computer systems that are protected by firewalls.

Edited to add link that seems slightly relevant:

Vatican magazine says hackers do God’s work

[fascisthunter]

24. lunatic fringe... American Taliban

so-called christians my ass...

[Major Hogwash]

28. He's not "fringe" in Idaho, he's mainstream.

It's sort of like living in the Twilight Zone in Idaho these days.
They want to go back to 1954 and vote for Ike again.
Like that movie that was done in black and white a few years ago.

[fascisthunter]

30. ayayayayaya... yeah, well... things do change, and nobody likes living in an oppressive environment

freedom is part of our DNA, part of man's evolution... these throw-backs are warped fanatics, and eventually people will see it. SO many in this country don't even know the religious right wing is staging a coup.

[IDemo]

33. Nah, Ike would be considered a Leninist by today's RW'ers

Now, if they could return to that era and somehow get Joe McCarthy elected POTUS, they'd be quite happy.

[ReggieVeggie]

27. if a fetus is terminated, isn't that God's will

huh? huh?

[Major Hogwash]

29. Like miscarriages?

Yup, that's gawdz will.

[ReggieVeggie]

31. they've already tried blaming mothers for miscarriages

[Liberal_in_LA]

32. so why have surgery and treatment for cancer or other medical ailments?

By his reasoning, isn't that the hand of God also?

Idiot.

[WinkyDink]

34. This is the only logical position for one who believes abortion is murder. The ONLY logical one.

This is not my belief, however, before you get on my case.