It's evident that, yet again, Repubs are playing to win, and Dems are playing not to lose

[FLAprogressive]

Republicans will do ANYTHING to win, they do not care how bad it looks at the time, because they can just spin it later using buzzwords and talking points and usually come out ahead because this country is too dumbed down to care.

The wimpy excuses for "leadership" we have, (I'm talking to you, Reid and Obama) are more concerned with the process and how they come out looking at the time. If it means giving up core values, it doesn't matter, as long as we looked like the adults in the room. In the end it ends up being a shit sandwich for the people.

Newsflash: Americans don't care about who the "adult" is in the room.....they don't care about the process....if so, they'd NEVER elect Republicans. The Reid-Obama form of "compromise" (give them almost everything in hopes of being seen as the "adults") only resonates with Beltway elite. I think it's high time we stop electing Dem leaders so focused on maintaining the appearance of "consensus" and more focused on WINNING for the working people of this country.

Don't give me that "Not understanding civics" bullshit. It's already old and tired.

[FLAprogressive]

1. here we go again, Dem officials going on MSNBC playing "adult"....

[msongs]

2. lol what do you expect from a group that gives up its chips in public BEFORE negotiations begin nt

[FLAprogressive]

3. Exactly, it's like Obama is playing a game of poker, shows his hand, then asks the pubs to show him

theirs.

[DirkGently]

4. Wiener said something last night about "bringing library books to a knife fight." nt

[FLAprogressive]

6. good quote

[Ramulux]

5. I'm embarrassed to call myself a democrat nowadays

I'm still trying to figure out why republicans just get to demand 10's of billions of dollars in cuts and the only question automatically becomes, how much are they going to get? Why do they get anything? Why do they get to control the debate? Where are the democrats demands?

All I hear from democrats is, "Oh oh course we have to do massive spending cuts, but the republicans are just going a little too far". Somehow 34.5 billion is OK, but 40 billion isn't? Who besides Bernie Sanders and a handful of progressive house members are even attempting to make an alternative argument about how to reduce the deficit?

This is not a debate, there are two sides to a debate, this is republicans making childish demands and democrats giving them a lot of them for nothing. This is a republican temper tantrum that democrats seem to be trying to spin as an honest attempt to help fix the deficit. There is nothing realistic or rational about these republican demands yet the democrats act as if its totally normal and this looming shutdown is simply a matter of legitimate and courageous disagreement on BOTH SIDES.

[butterfly77]

7. They seem to think this is good...

The full list of policy riders in HR1 includes: (from http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Poli ... ):

Policy Riders in H.R. 1

Sec. 1284 - Prohibits funding for fresh fruits and vegetables in the school lunch program. under section 19 of the Richard B. Russell National School Lunch Act.

Sec. 4013 - Prohibits funds to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc., or any of its affiliates.

Sec. 1112 - Prohibits transferring detainees from Guantanamo Bay.
Sec. 2237 - Prohibits HUD funding for rental assistance to the elderly.
Sec. 4006 - Blocks the FCC from implementing Net Neutrality.

Sec. 1802 - Prohibits funding new Job Corp centers.
Sec. 4017 - Strips funding for any provision of the health care reform law.
Sec. 4030 - Prohibits BATF from collecting information on multiple rifle/shotgun sales to the same person.

Sec. 1590 - Prohibits DC from using its own, non-federal funds, for abortion services.
Sec. 4046 - Prohibits finding for a govt-sponsored consumer product complaints database
Sec. 1746 - Prohibits funding for EPA efforts to regulate greenhouse gases

Sec. 4027 - Prohibits funds to carry out medical loss ratio restrictions in the health care reform law. (These provisions require insurers to spend at least a certain percent of their premium revenues on medical care.)

Sec. 4009 - Prohibits funds to pay the salaries and expenses of the following Presidential �czars�: Obama Care Czar, Climate Change Czar, Global Warming Czar, Green Jobs Czar, Car Czar, Guantanamo Bay Closure Czar, Pay Czar and Fairness Doctrine Czar.

[FLAprogressive]

8. even if all the riders are off the table I'm sure there's a lot of spending cuts to VITAL programs

[FLAprogressive]

9. and look what happened, BIG spending cuts. But hey, "our" team didn't lose!