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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:04 PM Original message |
The apologists are a threat to all of us --- You can only win by demanding more, more, more. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Or by saying "NO!" just like the teabaggers did. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. It's Easy For The Teabaggers, They WANT to Shut Down the Government |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. ??? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. Exactly, it's built into what they want |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #37 |
81. That's why you have to let them do it |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
101. You do know |
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Daemonaquila (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
104. Which is why you can't win. |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
107. We get blamed anyway. |
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AllTooEasy (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
97. 9/10ths not enough? I thought the Repukes were spoiled little rich kids... |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R! |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Exactly what I've been saying for years and getting booed and hissed at |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. That pragmatism, by the way, is a joke. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. I do not see what you're getting at. |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. just saying |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Yay! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. if what 'we' stand for is MY WAY or the highway- |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No people understand compromise has to happen, but when the compromise is one sided that's the issue |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. As if there was not a continuous battle anyway. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. my entire life has been 'us' vs. 'them' - I'm fuckin sick and tired |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. But you are drawing a parallel where none exists - |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. "you can only win by demanding more, more, more." |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
85. I bet you buy cars at sticker price. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. There is so much here........... |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #56 |
75. +1000 nt |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
94. Great post! n/t |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. But caving on every issue works? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. no caving on every issue doesn't work- |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
57. I don't give a shit. NO to cuts to the social network and if we have |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
78. when their way is ruining the country, yeah.... |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
82. How do you be tolerant of intolerant people? |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
103. Maintaining democracy has always been a continual battle. nt |
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Daemonaquila (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
105. Yes. We are. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
109. That's Ok... That's why we are Supposed to have a Democracy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Exactly. |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:15 PM Original message |
some see it as compromise and fairness |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. So we are going to appease the GOP? Hardly. |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. If you give a mouse a cookie! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. You will get cheers from me, not boos and hisses! |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
96. +1 nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. You gotta give the GOP credit. They're willing to fight for their shitty policies |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. This has been self evident during many of the LGBT rights discussions |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Indeed. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. The "mature, sensible liberals" know, of course, that change must come slowly. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. "Moderation in prinicple is always a vice." Thomas Paine |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
10. "take our country back" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Right. So let's not push back and let the extremists on only ONE side |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. oh bullshit- this isn't about |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Their job is to take what we tell them we want |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. So, a pack of dingoes demand to eat all your babies - |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. You quote Lincoln and then claim he should have compromised |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. are you familiar with Pres. Lincoln's support of the "Corwin Amendment"? |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
12. "Fight for your ideals. Fight for ALL of them." |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. "reasonable" "adult" = STFU |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
17. I'd rather be a "left-bagger" than hand the tea-baggers everything they demand. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. Good post and excellent advice. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. watch Mr. O "compromise" when he gives his big speech this week. nt |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
25. K & R - FINALLY...a progressive call to arms...music to my ears!!! |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
28. I'm not interested in losing because you were too scared to stand up for what you believe in. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
30. Who will FIGHT for us? |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. I believe in complaining even if you get everything you want... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
36. Are the "apologists" like "vermin"??? |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
38. Kill the apologists!!!!! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
39. This attitude is childish, divisive, counter-productive, emotionally driven, extreme and irrational. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Which attitude are you talking about. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
68. awesome, you found thesaurus.com |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #68 |
84. You fail badly. Those words are not synonyms. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #39 |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #39 |
86. Ahhh... just exactly what gets the tea-baggers everything they want. nt |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
92. you should read your own posts sometime |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
42. I think this person.. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. I'm not sure |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
43. Recommend |
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brandywine (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
44. Exactly right. They work for us. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
47. K&R |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
52. K&R |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
53. Don't see a damn thing wrong with this article........ |
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motorcityliberal (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
55. A whole bunch of bullshit |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. "You guys"? Really?? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. And make demands! |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. The apologists' mushy centrism gave Michigan Snyder. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
61. I don't have any problem with actual pragmatism or reasonableness. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
62. No, you just annoy people |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. The people demanding more and more and more |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
65. Bingo. The 'pragmatists' are HELPING THE GOP DESTROY THE COUNTRY. They are the problem. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
66. K & R |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
67. K&R |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
70. Recommended |
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Shiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
72. Yes! Let's attack our own! Grab your guns everyone, the circular firing squad is about to begin! |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. When you NEGOTIATE you start with everything you want - so you can compromise - Obama starts low |
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Shiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:40 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Oh, I agree. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. obama, is that you? |
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Shiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I don't recall ever saying give up. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. as usual, your type misses the point. |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
76. the red-baiters, or the dumb-as-table-leg Moonies who think the Don't Touch My Junk guy |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
106. more DLC syllogisms: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
77. We can see that the rw doesn't push at all for the change they want -- !!! Yikes! |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
88. Cheers for this OP |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
90. I know one thing for certain... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
91. I Have Been Repeating this for a While Now |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
93. Exactly. - K&R n/t |
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goobergoober01 (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
95. AND PART OF THE FIGHT...vote democrat in 2012, EVEN WHEN IT HURTS |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
98. TAKE BACK THE HOUSE in 2012 and GET A BULLET PROOF MAJORITY IN THE SENATE |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
99. P.S. Unrec for attacking Democrats at DU with your 'apologist' BS |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
100. Apologists seem to forget when they advocate for slow, incremental change... |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
102. The key to success is strong ideology backed by pragmatism |
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felix_numinous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
108. The strategy on the right has been to label what was once middle America extremist-- |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
110. You don't negotiate with terrorists |
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