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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:49 AM
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Even if you are disappointed in Obama, isn't the SCOTUS enough reason to VOTE for him?
The next justice appointed will serve 20-30 years. Do you want a GOP president making that pick?

Don't let your disappointment in Obama, and I have plenty myself, cause a GOP idiot to take charge!

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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:51 AM
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1. Yes.
I hate to say it,but yes.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:53 AM
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2. it's the only reason...but with an already 5-4 conservative court, it's a hard sell
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:55 AM
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4. Fat Tony won't live forever. nt
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:09 PM
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18. Ginsberg and Breyer...
Were either to step down, we cannot risk it. Especially since it is at least somewhat likely the GOP will win the senate.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:54 AM
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3. Yes.
That and his policies are less scarey than a R's would be.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:55 AM
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5. yes
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:57 AM
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6. some people don't like to think long-term.
I don't know why.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:58 AM
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7. Why would poor people care about something that doesn't even affect them?
All this talk about "voting your best interest"..... and laughing at people who don't. Yet, NOTHING is given to poor folk... MORE IS TAKEN AWAY, but we should CARE about YOUR scotus?

Politics 101... if you want votes from people, you SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS.

And don't give me that tired shit about Palin. Enough of that garbage.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:59 AM
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8. If Roe v Wade is ever overturned, will that affect them?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:02 PM
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11. Its really a shame that middleclass people just can't GET IT. When you are POOR, you are concerned
about getting through the DAY, being able to eat, and, hopefully, have a roof over your head.

THOSE are the needs that are being ignored.

Continue that route at your own peril.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:11 PM
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22. we understand that, the problem is that the things settled in the court
have an impact on the poor


Citizens United is allowing huge amounts of unregulated anonymous money into our political system. This will help elect more people who only care about the wealthy and are against any help at all for the poor.

We know that nobody cares about who is on the court when they don't know where there next meal is coming from. We also know that allowing the wrong people to continue to gain power just makes things worse.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:48 PM
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31. Miranda v Arizona. ERnesto Miranda was nota wealthy fellow by any definition. nt
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:15 PM
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49. Fail.
When a poor woman gets pregnant and wants/needs an abortion, SCOTUS matters. Rich women have ALWAYS been able to get abortions, either by paying doctors under the table or traveling to where it's legal and safe. Getting through the DAY is sometimes about ending a pregnancy you can't afford.

Continue that route at your own peril.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:16 PM
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50. Yes, the middleclass and the party IS failing.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:37 PM
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28. roe v wade is a cash cow for both parties..
it ain't going anywhere.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:52 PM
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34. I think you are right. But it certainly makes a good threat, doesn't it? Especially when the party
involved doesn't want to actually include their constituents.

All very sad. But, apparently, intractable.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:04 PM
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12. I suppose you could just
rubber stamp Paul Ryan's "budget" document with a puke Senate and teabagger President. All you need to do to see the difference between the parties and what the Republicans do with the poor is look at New Jersey and Wisconsin since January.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:26 PM
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27. How very original, and ooooh, soooo compassionate. There are some DUers who choose to hear and
respond, and others who choose to denigrate.

Which choice thinks gets you the votes you want?

Your choice.


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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:45 PM
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30. You do have a choice
the Republican plan (Paul Ryan gave a pretty clear voice to it) or the Democratic plan (we'll see this week how that shakes out).

Just because you seem to get off pretending other people lack compassion in somewhat meaningless replies doesn't make this choice any less real.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:01 PM
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9. No
I won't vote or campaign for Obama because of the Supreme Court.

What is enough is the fact that Obama is the only sane voice available. We aren't going to solve anything by just cutting our way out of it Ryan style and we aren't going to do by just raising taxes on the rich.

Obama is the one I trust to actually be able to balance cuts and tax increases to the point that we may be able to dig out of the pile of shit we managed to skillfully build for ourselves over the last decades.

Republicans have been very successful in cutting taxes and increasing spending to the point that we are pretty much fucked. The main goal of assholes like Grover Norquist is to make Government too expensive to function and they have damned near accomplished that. We're to the point now where such a huge part of every dollar that goes to the feds goes directly to the Chinese to cover interest payments.

We are in for a really nasty bunch of time and Obama is the one that I trust to get us through it while managing to not destroy everything along the way.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:02 PM
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10. What makes you think he would EVER appoint a Liberal Justice?
What we are going to get is more right wing thinking, so what difference really? Obama would never appoint anyone that Republicans would object too. He is just not up to a fight with them opver anything...
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:05 PM
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15. So you
want to pretend that Kagan and Sotomayor are Republicans? Damn but some posts are stupid beyond belief.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:17 PM
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25. Boggles the mind sometimes, doesn't it...nt
Sid
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:49 PM
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32. WTF? Kagan MIGHT be arguable if you're not of this planet, but Sotomayor
is solidly liberal.

:wow:
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:24 PM
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53. ROFL
:rofl:
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:04 PM
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13. If the Senate goes red in the next election...
...would Pres. Obama nominate anyone even vaguely left of center?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:04 PM
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14. no.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:11 PM
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21. I'll add you to the shortsighted list! n-t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:11 PM
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46. I'll add you to the blind loyalist list. n/t
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:13 PM
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47. Blind loyalist. Have you read any of my posts complaining about Obama? But....
I am not dumb enough to not vote for the man over a GOP idiot!

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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:07 PM
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16. No.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:07 PM
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17. Yes, among other reasons.
Many on the left would criticize my position, but it is simply too risky to open the doors to a political faction that does quite literally encompass fascist elements. Militia, "white patriots," "Tea Party," and so on have their choice. They made their choice because they know that the Republicans will attempt to erode liberal-democratic institutions, and put in their place Pinochet-type, supra-electoral power - more corporate rule, privatization of essential government functions, etc.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:10 PM
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19. No.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:11 PM
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20. This is not a sufficient re-election strategy
He will lose the masses with this strategy. Considering how many judge appointments are CURRENTLY DEAD IN THE WATER, it really doesn't matter if Obama is re-elected if he is too weak and cowardly to appoint liberals and get them confirmed.

Your argument is also, sadly, too politically sophisticated for the large masses of voters who don't have the acumen of even a 1970's schoolhouse rock cartoon.

Today, with Obama's announcement of going after entitlements, he truly has as much chance of getting re-elected as he does of being appointed Imperial Wizard.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:15 PM
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23. Why do all the "reasons" to vote for Obama have nothing to do with Obama?
Vote for Obama because the Republican candidate will be worse. Vote for Obama because it's important who gets seated on the Court.

You're basically saying, "Well, yes, my candidate sucks ass, but vote for him, anyway." :crazy:

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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:15 PM
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24. Truthfully, I want a Liberal/Progressive making that choice, so I'm screwed with either the GOP or
Obama.
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The Second Stone Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:17 PM
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26. I am pleased with Sotomayor and Kagen
and very disappointed in Obama. But the hope of more such appointments is probably enough to get me to vote for Obama in 2012. It isn't enough to get me to donate.
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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:42 PM
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29. At this point it is the only reason to vote for him.
And sad to say, I barely trust him on this.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:50 PM
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33. Interesting arguement
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:55 PM
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35. It's my reason for voting for him.
I have no other.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:56 PM
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36. Nope. I want to see people suffer,
just so I can make my point that Obama is responsible for everything wrong everywhere at all times.

I'd rather have the Republicans with their foot deep up in all of our asses, taking all of our money and giving it to the ultra rich forever more, while laughing madly that they got that guy out of office, than for me to have that Obama back in the White House. I'd rather he go off on the speaking circuit, write books, while we turn into the kind of country that we were in the 1930s. I owe that to myself since I care so much about the issues, and have talked so much about how I can't stand this guy, who is the worse President in history thus far....so much so, that I'm willing to let the Republicans have it totally their way, while I spit on Pres. Obama's whatever.

It's not my fault I feel this way...but I know that what I feel personally about this man is worth throwing the entire nation and any future it could have away. That I do know for sure.



:sarcasm:
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:58 PM
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37. It is the one and only reason I will vote for him
There are no others, IMHO.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:58 PM
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38. One can be extremely dissapointed in Obama and still vote for him
Although the fanboys and fangirls here would rather smear people than actually use, you know, LOGIC
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:01 PM
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39. He's just as post-partisan when doing that part of his job too. n/t
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:03 PM
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40. yes.
it is.
i am disappointed but the thought of a republican back in the white house...i can't go there.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:04 PM
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41. No.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:05 PM
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42. Post-Citizens United & Kelo vs. New London, I don't even know any more . . .
nt
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:06 PM
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43. i wish the supreme court ran the USA
moreover, i wish the chief justice was the head of state.
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:08 PM
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44. Hell yes. nt
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:09 PM
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45. yes. Next time please name a REAL liberal n/t
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:14 PM
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48. How old is Clarence Thomas?
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:16 PM
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51. His History is not guarentee that HE would not appoint a corporate shill. n/t
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:22 PM
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52. Yeah, it could be. That is the ONLY conceivable reason I might consider voting for Obama again.
But as of right now it isn't enough. I am not planning on voting for Obama again.
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franzia99 Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:25 PM
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54. Agreed. I expect to be disappointed by politicians. Scott Walker has shown us what happens if we
refuse to vote or vote for the other party in protest instead.

If we don't like who we've been nominating then we all need to get much more active in the primary process.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:41 PM
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55. Maybe Ginsberg will retire soon. Then there won't be another vacancy soon?
The only other possibility is Kennedy, but he's not THAT old, is he?
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