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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 11:29 AM
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Democratic Left & "Extremism"



{1}“ …. Had I so interfered in behalf of the rich, the powerful, the intelligent, the so-called great, or in behalf of any of their friends – either father, mother,brother, sister, wife, or children, or any of that class – and suffered and sacrificed what I have in this interference, it would have been all right, and every man in this court would have deemed it as an act worthy of reward rather than punishment.”
John Brown; 1859.

In the past ten days, I have used the term “class warfare” with increasing frequency on this forum. Yesterday, in fact, I posted a three-question survey on the topic: is it a good way to frame the important issues in the upcoming 2012 elections ?; would doing so help democratic candidates in House and Senate races?; and would it help President Obama?

Obviously, I am not the only forum member speaking about this topic. I've been delighted to read a number of other posts on the general topic. The reactions and responses to “class warfare” have been interesting. As would be expected, the majority of people who have participated in the various discussions recognize that the current domestic political-economic-social policies being advanced in Washington, DC, favor the economic elite. These same policies have caused the “middle class” to endure increasing hardships, and entrench a growing number of citizens in society's “underclass.”

Yet, the words “class warfare” make a significant number of people uneasy. Several correctly point out that, for a substantial number of voters, “class warfare” tends to cause a negative reaction, and that – at least for these people – the same general concepts might better be communicated in other ways.

One of my best friends on this forum went so far as to suggest that the term “class warfare” can be associated with “McCarthyism.” That's an interesting idea. Senator Joseph McCarthy, of course, attacked a wide range of Americans for being communists or communist-sympathizers. While I am admittedly unfamiliar with all of McCarthy's rants, my impression is that he focused his attacks on the emotional code word “communism,” and avoided actual concepts about the conflicts between the rich and the poor.

I still appreciate the example of McCarthyism, however, as the concept of “class warfare” is closely associated with the teachings of Karl Marx and Max Weber. While Weber is largely forgotten, outside of social science classrooms in our colleges and universities, “Marxism” remains one of the code words that the disciples of McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover use today. The rabid right-wing republicans attempted to derail Senator Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, by calling him a Marxist, communist, and socialist. These inaccurate charges continue today, suggesting that those who respond like Pavlov's dogs to such code words are incapable of grasping the actual concepts of class warfare – even when they are among its victims.


{2} “To them this government has no just powers derived from the consent of the governed. To them this government is not a democracy. It is not a republic. It is an odious aristocracy; a hateful oligarchy of sex; … an oligarchy of wealth, where the rich govern the poor. “
Susan B. Anthony; 1873.

People must change the way they think, before they change the way that they behave. And throughout history, those individuals who speak out in the manner that changes the way people think, are called “extremists.” Two of the most important leaders of the Civil Rights movement in the late 1950s and '60s were called “extremists” by their opposition. By no coincidence, both Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were likewise accused of being “communists,” or of being influenced by communists, by the likes of FBI Director Hoover.

Malcolm pointed out that many of history's great thinkers were “extremists.” Socrates, Jesus, and Gandhi were extreme in their pursuit of love and truth. (Not all extremists were – or are -- great leaders; just as not all extremists are good people. Bush and Cheney were extremists, are as many of the republicans in high office today.)

Susan Anthony, like Gandhi, King, and Malcolm, was an extremist. Each was involved in efforts to bring about social justice that involved “class warfare.” In fact, both Martin and Malcolm would come to view economic injustice, which involved more than black citizens, as the basis for bringing the Civil Rights movement up to the level of Human Rights.

Those of us who might, for lack of a better word, be considered this forum's “extremists” – which includes the far-left of the Democratic Left, along with our socialist and left-of-the-Democratic Party friends – understand that our efforts alone will not bring about social justice. We appreciate that it will take a coordinated effort from everyone. That obviously includes conservative democrats, moderate democrats, liberals, progressives, and progressive “extremists.” This has implications, however, that some find more uncomfortable than the term “class warfare.”

Elections, for example, always are run with campaigns that focus on three groups: those who will always vote for you; those who will never vote for you; and the “undecided.” The goal is to get a large turn-out of the first group, and to minimize the turn-out of the second group. If one creates enough of a margin, the “undecided” do not matter. However, in a close election, significant attention is focused on those undecided voters.

There is, of course, another group: those who typically do not vote. It is accurate to identify the republican party as hoping that this large group remains ignorant of their potential political power, and disenfranchised. Much of the membership of the Democratic Party recognizes that this group has the untapped potential to create a significant voting majority for our party.

However, I think there are some within the party who do not value or welcome the contributions of the Democratic Left. For a small example, in the 1980s, in the town I lived in, there was a conflict involving a couple seats on the local school board. It wasn't between Democrats and republicans. It was between some of the “established” democrats, and a group they considered to be insurgents. I brought enough people from a large Low-income neighborhood to decide the outcome. The established folks were furious. They sought to keep poor people from voting, and attacked me as a “trouble-maker.” We required the assistance of the ACLU. The two candidates I helped to elect became valued members of the board. While they did not perform miracles, they earned the community's respect for instituting some positive changes.

Small potatoes, perhaps. But keep in mind that this was the era when “Reagan democrats” turned their back on the principles of our party. And it led to the effort of Rev. Jesse Jackson, surely an “extremist,” reviving the Democratic Left. Jesse's efforts were not made in the comfortable rooms in Washington, DC; his base of power was found in those poor huddled masses that the Statue of Liberty speaks to, the farmers, the unions, and the inhabitants of our cities' ghettos.

Now, those are people who understand “class warfare.” Many, though admittedly not all, are as comfortable with the term “class warfare” as your Congressman is comfortable in his plush office. They are as comfortable breaking bread with those marginalized by the economy, as that Senator is in dining with the representatives of corporate America. They are not uncomfortable with words; they are fully aware of the pain and suffering that the political-economic system abuses them with.

We are in extreme circumstance in this country. A loose-knit organization of the Democratic Left can help apply the pressure that moderate Democrats need to move the “political center” back from its current right-wing position. Just as the “moderate” republicans benefit from justifying their actions by pointing to the right-wing extremists, we will benefit all sincere moderate republicans. It's like when King was in jail in Selma, and Malcolm came to town. He let the powers-that-be know that if they did not deal with King, there were other forces, waiting in the wings. Suddenly, a number of those who had previously identified Martin as an “extremist” found him quite reasonable, after all.

Just as many good Democrats are uncomfortable with the term “class warfare,” and are able to communicate the same basic concept in more pleasant and acceptable ways, in order to mobilize the people on the margins, some of us must use extreme language. We understand that it can, at times, offend some good and decent people. Yet that is not our goal. We simply ask that you appreciate that in order to communicate with our own, we must speak in the language they understand.

With these thoughts in mind, I believe that the only Democrats who will be uncomfortable with this, and take offense with our efforts, are those who fall into that “Reagan democrat” description. And I do not think that they are as important in advocating actual democratic principles, as are those men and women who are the victims of class warfare.

Thank you for reading this.

Peace,
H2O Man
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 11:42 AM
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1. Well put!
Thank you for sharing your insights on this matter. How we relate and frame an understanding of "class warfare" is, I think, a very important aspect of this struggle.

The issue is becoming more focused and less subject to denial as we observe the tactics and strategy that underscores the currently bloodless battle in progress. What if they had a war and the other side had hardly a clue they were in one? That's quite a tactic.

Discussing this and understanding the matter is very apropos.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:45 AM
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14. Thanks!
I think it also helps us see opportunities for making our voices heard in local elections, and primary contests.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 11:51 AM
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2. Thank you for this essay and expressing many thoughts I'd never be
able so eloquently convey. Your essay speaks for me.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:50 AM
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15. And thank you!
I think that there are a lot of people on this forum who can relate to the OP. We tend to have less trust of most politicians, and that creates some unintended misunderstandings with other forum participants. Who could have figured that progressives would end up in their own marginalized neighborhood on this forum?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 12:02 PM
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3. I've come around on this on the other thread I started H20 man
We need the spark, and that comes from a concentration of heat, and that heat is the unacknowledged Class War we are fighting. Let's call it what it is. Let others come along and soften the edges if they need to by talking about the shrinking middle class, or the American Dream slipping away. For many, those might be more socially acceptable things to be concerned about. But to rise above the background static of meaningless political verbage, someone has to call it for what it is. Let's start.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:01 AM
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16. I really liked your OP
and the thread that resulted, Brother Tom. And I love the pin, too.

I've always been in awe of Martin and Malcolm's abilities to communicate. One has to change the way they think, before they can change the way they behave. Both Martin and Malcolm understood this; hence, they focused first upon making people think ..... recognizing that too many people were unconscious, hypnotized, dulled by social novocaine, and unthinkingly accepting the definitions imposed by the larger society.

They often purposely shocked people. In his famous letter from the Birmingham jail, King spoke of being an extremist. Malcolm often noted that we were in extreme times.

So, I'm more than happy when people read my talking about class warfare, and responding with suggestions that we find other ways to communicate that same dynamic. They are thinking.

But for those of us who have the experience ofinhabiting society's margins, the term "class warfare" works perfectly.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 12:09 PM
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4. Class warfare is very real and very
powerful. And the ruling class knows this, which is why they expend so much time and energy to keep the bottom 98% fighting each other - stoking racial and religious tensions, anti-immigration movements, anti-gay organizations, etc. It's better for them if we fight each other rather than storm the Bastille.

From Reagan's disgusting 'welfare queen' comments to today's demonization of teachers and other 'union thugs', the ruling class strives to pit us against each other. And it works much of the time. Even on this board you can see posts that blame unions, 'baby boomers' and the 'whining liberals' for all our woes.

In reality, we should all be working together toward the common goal of an equitable society. I personally like the term 'economic justice' as a rallying cry because it doesn't have the same historical baggage as 'class warfare' and I think Americans have an almost Pavlovian response to the word justice.

Thank you for a very inspiring post.

k&r
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 03:24 PM
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8. The rich have the art of division locked up.
It's how they get away with what they get away with without blame and with plenty of privilege.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:25 AM
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19. Solid points.
I like "economic justice." I've always liked "social justice," too.

I think that the selection of terms depends upon the audience that one is speaking to. My public presentations tend to be among left-leaning groups, environmentalists, and student groups. In those contexts, "class warfare" works best. If I were writing a letter to the editor of local/regional newspapers, "economic justice" would be a better choice.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:00 PM
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31. "Stayin' Alive: The 1970s and the Last Days of the Working Class"
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 08:32 PM by KoKo
Stayin' Alive: The 1970s and the Last Days of the Working Class
Jefferson R. Cowie



A Sneak Read (many pages) of his book... I read it and want to read more...here: I believe this is the link to the "free chapter read." I'm either buy it at B&N (if it won't download to my Nook) or getting it from Amazon..(I don't have Kindle) but they have it cheap/used.

Read for free a few chapters, here:

http://www.amazon.com/Stayin-Alive-1970s-Working-Class/dp/1565848756#reader_1565848756
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:08 PM
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32. "Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War" by Joe Bageant
Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War

Joe Bageant (Author) (134 customer reviews)5.0 out of 5 stars Frightening in its Implications, June 30, 2007

By Brian D. Rubendall

This review is from: Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War (Hardcover)

As a progressive who grew up in exactly the kind of town the author describes, I found "Deer Hunting With Jesus" to be a chilling and dead on accurate account of modern day America. Unless you've had the experience of seeing the house you grew up in only 20 years ago boarded up and sold at a HUD auction, or turned into a crack house as my best friend from high school's house recently was (we were solidly middle class by small town standards), you really can't appreciate what the author is trying to describe.

That said, this is no biased political rant, as the author's staunch defense of gun ownership demonstrates. It is instead a desperate warning to all Americans just how perilously close we are to seeing our way of life destroyed by our own misguided collective actions. The author believes that progressives and the white working class (rednecks as he calls them) ought to be able to find political common ground based upon economic interest. He's also realistic enough to realize that it is unlikely to happen in time to rescue America from the precipice we seemed so determined to fling ourselves over.

Be forewarned, it is depressing as hell and in no way conforms to the Republican OR Democratic narratives of what America needs to do to preserve our way of life. It is the kind of truth-telling book that could only be written by someone who has seen enough of living on both sides of the red-blue divide to truly understand what ails this country.

In all, a perfect antidote to what the author calls the "American Hologram" of our mass media culture.

More of over 200 Reviews of a very Good Read at...

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2TKE7RA1JLTHX/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R2TKE7RA1JLTHX





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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:08 PM
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33. ...
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 08:35 PM by KoKo
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:33 PM
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35. .
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 08:35 PM by KoKo
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 12:29 PM
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5. It is Class Warfare. There is no other term that better describes the stark realities
Edited on Wed Apr-13-11 12:35 PM by 2banon
of the system as it has been allowed to devolve and resulting conditions frankly says it all.

Had to read the end of your essay before I came to understand where you were going with this.

There comes a time when we have to lift the veil from our eyes, discard the rose tinted glasses, and simply speak the truth.

Discomfort with the term "Class Warfare", seems to me to be a reflection of the privileges still enjoyed, or the illusions that one will be a member of the privileged class sometime in a fantasized future.

Those that say the term is the rhetoric of the "extreme left" may wish to continue to allude themselves of such notions, but their misunderstanding of the realities should be dismissed as such. Those discomforts should not be allowed to determine the parameters of discussion and describing the conditions we are existing in and the system that dictates these conditions exactly as they are.

I don't know how bad things have to get before they see things in realistic terms, but I refuse to make them more comfortable by avoiding the proper terminology to describe socio-economic and political conditions we exist and struggle with in it's proper light.

This is what Class Warfare looks like and yes, it will get worse apparently. Conditions are so bad that come a time a National General Strike (which should have been called long before now) won't likely make a beans worth of difference as it will be too late to make a positive effect, I think and those who are uncomfortable with the term Class Warfare now, will wonder why they didn't understand/see the road signs before they reached the edge of the cliff.


Thank you for posting. :thumbsup:
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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 12:55 PM
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6. +1
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 03:13 PM
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7. (kick) It is
interesting to listen to the republicoid response to President Obama's speech today, in the context of class warfare.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 04:21 PM
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9. What would be an example of a loose-knit organization of the Dem left
that could apply this pressure?

So far, it seems like no matter how clearly circumstances point to the regressive effects of RW policies, how much fact we present, and how logical our arguments and illustrations are, the political center continues to move to the right at a what is IMO a frighteningly fast pace.

I'll try just about anything that seems like it might work.

peace!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 04:58 PM
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10. Good question.
I'll try to answer, by going on things from my own experience.

I mentioned the low-income families voting in a school board election. I went into what is one of the largest "low-income" neighborhhods in upstate New York. I spoke to the families there about their experiences, and their children's experiences, in the local school. I was accepted by people there, in part because I had been born there, and lived there in my "teenaged hoodlum" years. Also, because I had been active in a number of efforts to organize and advocate for tenants' rights, and to restore a run-down playground in the neighborhood, years after I had moved out.

It can be difficult to be trusted when entering such a neighborhood. People there have become accustomed to being lied to, and having "outsiders" try to take advantage of them. But, I've also done lots of voter education & registration in numerous low-income neighborhoods, along with my co-workers from human service agencies. One of the important things is recognizing the leaders in those neighborhoods, who already have earned others' respect. It might be a young man, it might be an older woman, but it is there.

The loose-knit group of peoples on the Democratic Left that I have worked with over the decades includes (but is not limited to): people from the low-income neighborhoods; progressive and liberal registered democrats; school and college faculty; student groups (often "minority" student groups); traditional Native Americans; branches of the NAACP; some attorneys; area socialists and Green Party members; environmental groups and advocates (a surprising number of hunters & fishers are strong environmental advocates); gay/lesbian rights groups; numerous anti-war groups; and currently, the growing number of anti-frack gas drilling people.

Now, this is "just" a loose-knit group in my area. But there are similar groups in many, if not most, areas. Just as in the neighborhoods I spoke of, it takes some organizing to create focused efforts. And that also includes recognizing and respecting the leadership within each local group. That's how real confederacies are formed.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 05:43 PM
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11. Thanks! nt .
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:24 AM
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21. Perhaps an essay someday explaining these steps
Would be useful. We seem to get so little traction nationally, perhaps we do need to step back and take a page from the talibornagain and organize locally to win local offices for a long term good.

-Hoot
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:09 AM
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18. That is indeed the question
How do we change things? Is it even possible?
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 06:06 PM
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12. Well I participated in your other poll and..........
there I didn't vote for the actual TERM class war for the national Dems just BECAUSE they're probably going to have to appeal somewhat to the Reagan Democrats (who aren't really Democrats at all as far as I'm concerned) to win the elections. And "class war" is a highly propagandized word. I think I suggested something like "war on the working class and poor or something like that". Close, but not exactly, so to avoid most of the propaganda.

However, for myself and among my homeys :) I don't have a problem using the term class war at all. That's what it is and if some Reagan Democrat doesn't believe that, they need to research Warren Buffett's comments on class war. Buffett thinks that his class (the wealthy) are engaging in class war and more importantly, WINNING that class war.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 06:16 PM
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13. Jesse Jackson led the fight against NAFTA
:patriot: Take it back! Remove the foxes from the henhouse or we're disenfranchised.
kick
rec
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:08 AM
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17. Spot on Waterman!
You often post what I am thinking but that I do not have the talent or eloquence to put into words.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:29 AM
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20. Worth it just for the John Brown quote.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:35 AM
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22. "The Little Foxes Who Spoil The Vines" Have Long Been A Problem In This Country
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:36 AM by Me.
The play The Little Foxes by Lilian Hellman is a study of how the wealthy and greedy feed off the labor of others for their benefit. And in the film version Bette Davis, in one of her very best performances, brings the message home with a punch. This has been going on for hundreds of years and until society as a whole decides once and for all that it will no longer be tolerated, the greedy will continue to cheat, lie and steal.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:54 AM
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23. Here's the funny thing about class warfare
The right SCREAMS about class warfare, but to them, it's different. In their version, class warfare is waged by Democrats and pits the "Producers" of society against the "Freeloaders".

Their wealth, the little they have is being taken from them and "Redistributed" to the undeserving slackers that would rather lay on their asses and collect unemployment than work. My OPW (Own Personal Wingnut) asked me one day, "You wouldn't work if you got an unemployment check every week would you?" and was serious. An unemployment check wouldn't go very far since I have a 5K nut to crack every month, but that's how these people think. They firmly believe that every social service provided is only there to "Bring votes to Democrats".

The funniest thing is, they learn all this from folks like Rush (58M a year) and Beck (23 M a year) and can't figure out that these dopes are just all part of the "Class Warfare" that's being waged on THEM!

I agree, we do have to start ramping up pressure on Dems to turn left, but we also have to start controlling the messaging in this country. As long as millions believe that the rethugs are there for "Everyman" our problems will continue to multiply~
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:29 PM
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24. About terminology -
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 01:34 PM by TBF
I'll use whatever nomenclature that I see fit - and what I'm seeing in this country right now is class warfare, and the poor ain't winning. The ruling class is already trying to dictate everything about our lives, I'll be damned if I give up freedom of speech too. They don't like our words, fuck them. And if that offends liberal sensibilities as well, that's a risk I'm willing to take. I know it's not going to offend other workers and that's all I care about.

ETA - might as well throw this in too, since I'm seeing other leftists in the thread. This marketing overhaul, with Sam Webb at the forefront, is certainly being discussed widely. Here is what the communist party of Greece (KKE) released on the subject for those who have any idea what I'm talking about: http://inter.kke.gr/News/news2011/2011-04-13-kke-to-cpusa. I'm with the KKE on this.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:11 PM
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25. Kicked, but too late to rec.
Very thought provoking, as usual. Mr. Gandhi and MLK knew how to wage class warfare without violence - that is the most important point, I think. And, they were more effective in the long-run for remaining non-violent.

That lesson in mind, class warfare is a splendid concept with a real history and current meaning, and is also a nice sharp stick to poke the mentally, morally and philosophically lazy Democrats in the center.

By all means, let's wage class warfare, as did Mr. Gandhi and MLK!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:20 PM
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26. k
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:29 PM
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27. This news today sure seems to me an example of what class warfare is:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/president-obama-in-chicag_n_849080.html?du

First, Obama will deliver remarks at a $5,000 to $15,000-per-plate fundraiser at N9NE Steakhouse. He might not stay for dinner, however, since he is scheduled to speak at MK Restaurant at 7:35 p.m. The MK fundraiser costs a whopping a $35,800-per-person and 312 Dining Diva's Audarshia Townsend reports that the president will stay for dinner there.

A sample of the menu:

Hors d'oeurvres Lobster griddled maine lobster sandwiches
Perch
sweet water organics farm raised perch, Fish Bar tartar sauce
Steak
Tallgrass beef tartare, parmigiano-reggiano
Dinner
Maine salmon
black pepper & tarragon demi-cured maine salmon, asparagus, shaved fennel, preserved lemon emulsion
Scallops/short ribs
seared maine diver sea scallops, rosemary braised short ribs, parsnip puree, roasted carrots

p.s. neat picture. Is this going to become a garden spot? Between heavy rain showers, I've been digging up grass to plant more edibles.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:24 PM
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30. The photo
is from an Owasco phase site near me. It's where the Algonkin and Iroquois had a "flint factor" and traded.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:01 PM
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28. Too late to recommend, as always
thank you for your words. You are able to articulate what so many feel.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:38 PM
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29. robert fisk... "journalism and 'the words of power'
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:29 PM
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34. Robert Fisk is saying "powerful stuff:" A snip:
Robert Fisk, The Independent newspaper's Middle East correspondent, gave the following address to the fifth Al Jazeera annual forum on May 23.

Power and the media are not just about cosy relationships between journalists and political leaders, between editors and presidents. They are not just about the parasitic-osmotic relationship between supposedly honourable reporters and the nexus of power that runs between White House and state department and Pentagon, between Downing Street and the foreign office and the ministry of defence. In the western context, power and the media is about words - and the use of words.

It is about semantics.

It is about the employment of phrases and clauses and their origins. And it is about the misuse of history; and about our ignorance of history.

More and more today, we journalists have become prisoners of the language of power.

Is this because we no longer care about linguistics? Is this because lap-tops 'correct' our spelling, 'trim' our grammar so that our sentences so often turn out to be identical to those of our rulers? Is this why newspaper editorials today often sound like political speeches?

Let me show you what I mean.

For two decades now, the US and British - and Israeli and Palestinian - leaderships have used the words 'peace process' to define the hopeless, inadequate, dishonourable agreement that allowed the US and Israel to dominate whatever slivers of land would be given to an occupied people.

I first queried this expression, and its provenance, at the time of Oslo - although how easily we forget that the secret surrenders at Oslo were themselves a conspiracy without any legal basis. Poor old Oslo, I always think! What did Oslo ever do to deserve this? It was the White House agreement that sealed this preposterous and dubious treaty - in which refugees, borders, Israeli colonies - even timetables - were to be delayed until they could no longer be negotiated.

And how easily we forget the White House lawn - though, yes, we remember the images - upon which it was Clinton who quoted from the Qur'an, and Arafat who chose to say: "Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mr. President." And what did we call this nonsense afterwards? Yes, it was 'a moment of history'! Was it? Was it so?

Do you remember what Arafat called it? "The peace of the brave." But I don't remember any of us pointing out that "the peace of the brave" was used originally by General de Gaulle about the end of the Algerian war. The French lost the war in Algeria. We did not spot this extraordinary irony.

Same again today. We western journalists - used yet again by our masters - have been reporting our jolly generals in Afghanistan as saying that their war can only be won with a "hearts and minds" campaign. No-one asked them the obvious question: Wasn't this the very same phrase used about Vietnamese civilians in the Vietnam war? And didn't we - didn't the West - lose the war in Vietnam?

Yet now we western journalists are actually using - about Afghanistan - the phrase 'hearts and minds' in our reports as if it is a new dictionary definition rather than a symbol of defeat for the second time in four decades, in some cases used by the very same soldiers who peddled this nonsense - at a younger age - in Vietnam.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:34 PM
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36. K&R...
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:31 AM
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37. The government and economy can either work for those trying to get ahead...
...or work for those who already are.


But only one of those configurations grinds people down.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:57 PM
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38. Well said ~
The attack on Unions, and before that on organizations like ACORN, was part of this class war. All the organizations that defend and protect the most vulnerable, are targets of the right so it's hard to understand how anyone cannot see that there is a war going on and that it has been very successful on part of the rich and powerful so far.

But I have hope that this happened only because people were not aware they were engaged in a war. Now, thanks to people like Gov. Walker and Gov. Scott among others, as Rep. Kucinich pointed out yesterday, in their zeal to finish the job, they have over-reached and awakened the population to what they are doing.

Wisconsin gives me hope that at least now the victims of this class war are awakening and beginning to fight back.

Excellent OP, thank you.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:16 PM
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39. It was clear class warfare was alive and thriving when Obama ran the first time...
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