I am a PROUD UAW member. I support Union brands.

[DainBramaged]

And if you don't understand how important UNIONS are to America, why do you think the Republicans are trying to shut us down?


Think about how long and loud Senator Shelby and Corker cried about shutting down GM and Chrysler? WHY? Take a guess, the American taxpayer isn't their boss:


Tennessee
AFG Industries, Inc.
AFG Industries, Inc.
Advanced Crystal Technology, Inc. (ACT)
Alcoa Fujikura, Ltd.
Alpha Therapeutic Corp.
American Honda Motor Company
American Yazaki Corp.
Americana Records, Inc.
AP Tenntech
ASICS Tiger Corp.
ATC, Inc.
Autrans Corp.
Allied Signal - Jidosha Kiki Corp.
Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc.
Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc.
Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc.
Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc.
Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc.
Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc.
Bridgestone Metalpha Corp.
Brother Industries (USA) Inc.
Brother International, Inc.
Calsonic Mfg. Corp.
Calsonic Yorozu Corp.
Cannon Computer Systems
CEI
Carlex Glass Co.
CKR Industries, Inc.
Clarion Corp. of America
Colonial Rubber Works, Inc.
D & A Tech, Inc.
Daikin Drivetrain Components Corp.
Dixie Wire Co.
Enpak, Inc.
Falken Tire Corp.
Ferodo America
Florida Steel Corp.
Fujikura International, Inc.
Goh America Corp.
Helena Chemicals
Hitachi America, Ltd.
Hoover Precision Products, Inc.
Hyperion Seating Corp.
IBC Manufacturing Co.
Image Plymers Co.
Indian Summer, Inc.
Ink, Inc.
ITW - Nifco
Kagiya Trading Co. of America
Kantus Corp.
Kohl Madden Printing Ink/Plant I
Kohl Madden Printing Ink/Plant II
Komatsu Dresser Co.
Komatsu Dresser Co.
M-Tek, Inc.
Marubeni America Corp.
Marubeni Steel Processing
Marubeni Steel Processing
Matsuo USA, Inc.
Matsushita Electronic Components Corp.
of America
Matsushita Refrigeration Co. of America
Mi-Tech Steel, Inc.
Mitsui and Co. (U.S.A.)
NA Industris, Inc.
NEC of America, Inc.
NGK Metals Corp.
NKC of America,Inc.
Nifast Corp.
Nippondenso Tennessee, Inc.
Nippondenso Tennessee, Inc.
Nisco Steel Services, Inc.
The Nissan Fire & Marine Ins. Co., Ltd.
Nissan Motor Corp. in USA
Nissan Motor Mfg. Corp., USA
Nissan Motor Mfg. Corp., USA
Nissan Trading Corp., USA
Nissho Iwai American Corp.
Nissin Foods (USA), Inc.
Olympus Corp.
Oozx USA, Inc.
Pinnacle Steel Processing, Inc.
Pinnacle Steel Processing, Inc
The Pearl Corp.
Plumley-Marugo, Ltd.
Purodneso
Riverport Steel, Inc.
Rohm Electronics
Sato-American Metal
Sekisui TA Industries
Sharp Mfg. Co. of America
Shimizu America Corp.
S.W. Mfg. Inc.
Sofix Corp.
Sony Music
Sony Tree Publishing
Sumiden Wire Products Corp.
Sumitomo Machinery Corp. of America
Sun Chemical Corp.
Swisstronics, Inc.
Tabuchi Electric Co. of America
Tateho America, Inc.
Techno Steel Corp. (TESCO)
Teijin-DuPont Films
Tennessee Metal Corp.
Tennex Industries, Inc.
Tobutsu America Corp.
Toshiba America, Consumer Products,Inc.
Toshiba America Medical Systems, Inc.
Toyota TRW Automotive, Inc.
Toyota Tsusho
TRI-CON Industries, Ltd.
TRW Fuji Valve
TRW Koyo Steering Systems Co.
Tsubaki Conveyor of America, Inc.
Tuff Torq Corp.
Universal Fasteners
Universal Fasteners
U.S.A. Zama, Inc.
Vintec Co.
YKK USA, Inc.
Yamakawa Mfg. Corp. of America
Yamakawa's Small Parts (YSP)
Yamazen, Inc.
Yasuda Fire & Marine Ins. Co. of America


http://www.utm.edu/departments/french/foctn.html


Alabama

Hundai
Toyota
Mercedes Benz



In 1997, the state of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange for a plant that would employ 1,500 people. What were the details of this huge incentive package? $300 million in tax breaks, $253 million in direct incentives, $60 million in Alabama taxpayer money to send fellow Alabamans to Germany for training, and a promise to buy 2,500 of the new Mercedes SUV’s at $30,000 each. Based on just the initial $300 million grant alone, those 1,500 jobs will cost Alabama taxpayers $200,000 per job. Apparently Alabama, not Mercedes, will be paying those salaries for years to come. With deals like these, it’s no wonder foreign automakers have stepped up production in the U.S. We’ll even pay their workers’ salaries for them!

Tennessee gave Nissan $11,000 per job for their Smyrna plant built in 1980. South Carolina coughed up $79,000 per job to convince Germany’s BMW to build their plant in Spartanburg in 1992. Were you aware that our government was using your money to create jobs? Or are these merely job announcements where you and I foot the bill? Job announcements do make for great rhetoric for state governors’ re-election campaigns. How many years will it take a factory worker in Alabama to pay back the $200,000+ in tax money that the government gave away? A conservative answer would be “several.”

http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml


America, where we buy our Foreign-owned goods.

[mike_c]

1. solidarity!

:patriot:

[bobbolink]

75. Let us know when your "solidarity" is ready to include your poor brothers and sisters.

Frankly, we are sick of this whole middleclass "We Are ONE" stuff.

[Scout]

77. if the middle class goes down, how bad off will the poor be then? n/t

[bobbolink]

79. Since we will no longer be around, that's not our concern, is it?

How very telling that you chose that argument.... quite expressive of the dismissive attitude that we are speaking of, isn't it?

[Scout]

89. i think it more likely that your attitude is the problem, from many of the

arguments i've seen you engage in on this board with other posters.

[bobbolink]

92. Of course. It is definitely wrong to be angry with the ignoring of poverty.

My bad.

Unfortunately, there are thousands of others feeling the same way.

Not that it matters.

[mike_c]

83. I'm sorry bobbolink-- whatever made you think it doesn't?

:shrug:

[Scout]

90. wonder if you will ever get a reply? n/t

[rurallib]

2. Thank you so much! Been looking for a site like that.

[flvegan]

3. D'oh!

Misread punctuation creates disaster. Film at 11.

[DainBramaged]

5. Those aren't Union shops I listed

[upi402]

70. SAVED on Word for frequent reference

Thanks! k/r

I've been pushing 'Buy America' since the mid 80's. It's an uphill battle when the entire media is touting the big scam.

[William769]

4. My father was A UAW member (When UAW started) until he passed away.

He used to take us to black lake in Michigan for summers.

Oh the memories.

[MineralMan]

6. I'm self-employed. I buy used cars, and I buy the best ones I can

afford. So far, my 1991 Volvo wins against my 1999 GMC Jimmy. This has nothing to do with today's cars. I don't shop for brands. I shop for condition. I've spent $500 on the Volvo in four years, and $3000 on the GMC, to keep them running. Which is the better bargain? The Volvo is pushing 200,000 miles. The Jimmy has just 120.000 on it. I paid $1800 for the Volvo, and $8000 for the GMC. I drive them the same number of miles each year. Sorry, but I have to opt for quality over manufacturer. My next car, when the Jimmy finally dies, will be another Volvo. I will never buy another used GM product. Those are the facts.

[safeinOhio]

10. Check out J.D. Powers

quality numbers for this and last year.

[Shagbark Hickory]

12. That doesn't reflect long term reliability.

[DainBramaged]

21. Keep supporting those Unions

not

[MineralMan]

18. When you buy 10 year old cars or older, J.D. Powers is useless.

Their quality measures are irrelevant for older used cars.

[pintobean]

20. Any comparison is useless

when you don't know the history of use, abuse and maintenance.

[MineralMan]

42. That's true, of course, and it helps if you know cars.

However, some auto brands have a better track record for survival over the years. Volvo has a great reputation, as long as you avoid the turbo models, which you should do for any 10+ year old car. Buying 10 year old cars and older is an art form. I'm very good at it, and have enjoyed many old cars for many years. That 1999 Jimmy was just a mistake. My wife liked it and we were looking for a newer 4WD vehicle. It turned out to be a real lemon, and the people who did the repairs it needed had nothing good to say about that model in general. At 100,000 miles, which was when I bought it, that model has a history of expensive system failures. I got all of them, except for the intake manifold failure. That'll probably be the next thing, and the car will go to the junkyard. I will not pay another large repair bill on it. It's got one more chance. I'll call the auto donation guys the next time a major repair is needed.

Non-turbo Volvos with a decent service history are golden. My current one came with every receipt for everything that was done to it. The previous owner bought it new and maintained it meticulously. He sold it because it had an exhaust manifold leak and he wanted a new car anyhow. Took me about two hours to do the manifold repair. Other than that, all I've had to do to it in the past 4 years was a brake job and normal maintenance. Big difference. I'll drive that Volvo to about 250,000 miles, just as I've driven every Volvo I've owned.

[Brickbat]

7. K and R for SOLIDARITY.

Nice post, brother.

[Starry Messenger]

8. k&r

[Obamanaut]

9. . nt

[deaniac21]

11. It is ABSOLUTELY certain that the unions have no agenda other

than to help the working man!

[Shagbark Hickory]

13. I like your posts but I'm having difficulty with this one.

I like toyotas. Toyotas are made in the states now. Sure they may not be a union shop and sure the state of whatever may be making very generous concessions but they make nice cars and that last a long time. And they're cheaper and better on gas. So am I to:

* pay more for a car because it's union made?
* support an automaker that has shipped more jobs overseas than they currently employ (probably)?
* buy a car from a company that hasn't prioritized fuel efficiency or making smaller cars simply because SUVs are more profitable?
* buy a car from a company that designs their cars to need more frequent parts replacements?
* buy a car from a company that was bailed out?

and all because the workers have organized?

I'm not seeing the value in the personal satisfaction gained from doing that.

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[PBS Poll-435]

16. What if you don't want to drive a GM car?

What if you want longer expected reliability?

What if you want a higher residual value?

What if NVH is a factor for you?

What if you don't want the steering wheel to fall off?


Do you really have to make the decision between what you want to spend your money on and supporting Union-made cars/trucks/hybrids/SUVs?

[safeinOhio]

17. Question, what do you do for a living?

[DainBramaged]

19. Imagine some of these folks dancing around Toyota's in a showroom

selling unicorns and fairies while the cars speed uncontrolled down the highway............

[Shagbark Hickory]

23. have you given up trying to sell us on buying union-made cars?

We're all about to walk out of the proverbial showroom with comments like this.

[PBS Poll-435]

63. Self-employed Bookkeeper/Accountant.

Why?

[safeinOhio]

74. Great job.

Hope you don't depend on middle class people for clients.
I pay a little extra to buy all American products, cloths, food and cars. I also wouldn't hire a book keeping firm or account that sends it's work overseas to get cheaper and better work. But, that's just me.

[PBS Poll-435]

76. The middle class is mainly who I work for.

Small businesses, individual returns, etc.

My last 3 vehicles were made in California and were composed of 70%+ US made parts.



On the other hand, a GMC truck from Canada or a Ford from Mexico can't pass that kind of test.

[safeinOhio]

82. How are you going to compete with

TurboTax and like easy to use computer programs that allow anyone to do what you do? Then with a new simplified tax plan in the making, you'll be with the rest of laid off people that once had good paying jobs and now are reduced to asking "want fries with that". Those profits that go overseas won't help.

[PBS Poll-435]

84. I provide value beyond what is expected

Computer software, IMHO, can never replace the value to a client that frank, honest advice and planning can offer.

TurboTax is fun for putting the numbers in, but my folks like to meet with me.

And, honestly, after all that has happened in Japan since the 3/11 disaster, I find it offensive to bring up this tired argument again. Way too soon.



Toyota brought non-coal jobs to WV. They also assemble cars in KY, TX, IN, etc. Honda brought good jobs to OH, and even Mercedes brought assembly work to AL.


And don't forget all of the white-collar jobs related to floorplan and finance that were created in the US.

[DainBramaged]

88. I just had onion rings instead of fries at a Burger King

and my question to the manager was blunt


Why are so many people whose first language is not English, working here when we have such high Domestic unemployment.


he turned and walked away without answering.

When the businesses begin giving the high school kids those fast food jobs, or Seniors or just about anyone competent without a green card, then we'll see progress.

[Shagbark Hickory]

22. Then help inform me...

In the mid 2000's I bought a tundra pickup new for $19,5 with the sr5 package.
The only thing that I could get with the detroit brands for that negotiated price was a "work" trimmed truck with rubber floors, vinyl seats and crank up windows. Of course this was around the time that everyone was using their house as an ATM machine and things were generally pretty expensive.

Fast forward to today, you can buy a Hyundai Elantra (2011) with an epa estimated 40 mpg highway.
What domestic car does that mileage compare to and what is the price difference?

I think *you're the one* who's misinformed.

I've owned american cars. Even ones that I loved. But they all gave me trouble. The last american car that I had was a mustang and I didn't want to get rid of it but I couldn't afford to keep repairing it. And mind you this was a car with only 72,000 miles on it.

So I don't hate them but the the domestic brands lost me as a customer over quality and because they haven't listened to the needs of the consumer.

I never said that I didn't support organized labor. That's putting words into my mouth.
There are all sorts of products that each and every one of us buys far more routinely that we buy a car.. FOOD for example, that does not come from unionized workers and half the time it comes from another country where working conditions are quite poor.

If you buy bananas or coffee or produce or just about any type of apparel, is it fair to say that you don't support organized labor? Of course not.

[DainBramaged]

24. I'll take the X for $100 Alex

..................

[Shagbark Hickory]

28. You don't even want to try.

OK so I guess that's the end of that.

[Brickbat]

25. Hyndai Elantra: 15-20K. Ford Focus: 16-19K.

The 2012 is rated at 40 mpg. Mr. Brickbat has a 2010 Focus and regularly pulls 35-40 mpg. So there ya go.

And the majority of food I buy is produced in some way by union workers. I read the labels and educate myself. We buy very little clothing and buy union-made or USA-made wherever we can. It means we buy a lot less clothing, but that's not a bad thing. It's possible to buy union coffee, too. The point is, when there's a union alternative, I take it. Sometimes there just isn't an alternative. But a lot of times -- and a lot more times than people think -- there is.

[Shagbark Hickory]

27. So the hyundai is cheaper. That's my point. nt

[Brickbat]

29. Heh.

[Shagbark Hickory]

30. What brand of underwear are you wearing?

If I follow the OP's link to find out what union-made underwear I can buy, I'll have to pay $24.95 to get an answer.

[Brickbat]

31. Wait, what?

I don't follow.

ETA: I understand you asking about my underwear, but not about paying $24.95 to get an answer.

[Shagbark Hickory]

34. Yeah the op (dain bramage or whatever) gave us a link on "how to buy american"

Only to get an answer to that question you have to buy the book.

Only.. how do I know the book is union made and union printed? It doesn't say.
It says "free shipping".
How do I know it will be sent by a union shipping company?

My question to you, since you said you do your homework and find out what brands to buy, is what brand of underwear is union-made?

And while we're at it, do you eat chicken? If so what brand of chicken uses union labor.

TIA

[Brickbat]

61. Oh, I see.

There are many places to buy union-made underwear. Google is good for this type of thing, but I'll provide you with a link: unionhouse.com

UPS and the U.S. Postal Service are two union shipping companies. FedEx and DHS are not. IIRC, Union House ships only UPS or USPS.

Here is a link for poultry producers represented by the UFCW: http://www.ufcw.org/about_ufcw/who_we_are/where_we_work/poultry.cfm

[Wait Wut]

78. Damn. That sucks.

I refuse to ever use UPS again after several lost packages, "retained" packages overseas, returned for no reason packages, damaged packages...and they never want to own up to anything (and INCREDIBLY rude). USPS is better, but still unreliable if you're in a hurry.

I gotta go with FedEx. My apologies.

[Brickbat]

81. *shrug* Never had a problem with either UPS or USPS. FedEx uses scabby contractors in my area, and

I always want to grab the shotgun when I see them coming.

[DainBramaged]

32. Some of them expose their anti-Union feelings whenever cars are brought up

so sad, so sad.

[Brickbat]

33. It makes me crazy.

While Wisconsin was a lot of fun, we still have a long way to go.

[Shagbark Hickory]

35. Are you talking about me?

I don't have any anti-union feelings.
I just like trouble-free vehicles. It's nothing personal, just business.
Sort of like how GM moving it's production to mexico and china. Not personal, just business.

[olegramps]

36. Agreed that Detroit made some bad cars, but that has nothing to do with today's products.

[Shagbark Hickory]

37. OK, well they've already lost *me* as a customer and haven't persuaded me it's safe to come back.

Their vehicles are still more expensive, still not as efficient, still not as good with safety ratings and still not as good with resale value. Just to name a few reasons.

[blue_onyx]

38. With the exception of hybrids...

Vehicles made the US companies are as efficient as foreign competitors

[Shagbark Hickory]

41. Wrong. Completely and utterly incorrect.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bestworst.shtml

[blue_onyx]

49. Wrong

Chevy Cruze: 28 (24/36)
Ford Foucs: 28 (25/34)
Toyota Corolla: 29 (26/34)

[Shagbark Hickory]

51. There are more "most efficient" cars that are import brands than domestics.

And if you want to compare mpgs across classes, then throw in the VW Jetta 42mpg.

[blue_onyx]

55. A comparable jetta is about the same as the ones I listed

27 (24/31)

[Shagbark Hickory]

57. Nice try, Jetta TDI 42mpg.

[blue_onyx]

59. Nice try

First, you are comparing two different types of vehicles. Diesel vs. regular gasoline. Second you listed the highway mpg, not the average mpg which is actually 34. With this kind of spin, you should work for Fox News.

[Name removed]

52. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[blue_onyx]

39. GM hasn't moved production to China

Vehicles are made in China for the Chinese market

[Shagbark Hickory]

40. And where did they used to be made? nt

[blue_onyx]

44. China n/t

[Shagbark Hickory]

46. Wrong again.

They used to be made in the USA and exported to China.

[blue_onyx]

50. Nope

China has a high import tax which gives companies the incentive to build there. Try again

"The company manufactures most of its China market vehicles locally through Shanghai GM, a joint venture with the Chinese company SAIC, which was created on March 25, 1997. The Shanghai GM plant was officially opened on December 15, 1998, when the first Chinese-built Buick came off the assembly line."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors

[Shagbark Hickory]

53. I didn't say it happened recently.

[blue_onyx]

54. GM wasn't even in China during much of the last century

"GM first entered China in the 1920s. There was a Chevrolet dealer in Shanghai during that time. Records also show that the father of Chinese democracy, Sun Yatsen; the first premier of China, Zhou Enlai; and the last emperor, Puyi, owned Buicks. If you're wondering why Buicks are doing so well in China, the historical linkage may help. I've heard that in the 1930s, one out of every six cars in China was a Buick. GM stopped operating in China in 1949 and restarted in late 1993 or early 1994 when we began negotiating our first JV, Shanghai GM, with our partner Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. (SAIC)."

http://www.chinabusinessreview.com/public/1104/interview.html

You couldn't back up your statement if you wanted to

[Shagbark Hickory]

58. What kind of underwear do you use? What brand of chicken do you eat?

[blue_onyx]

60. LOL....

Can't back up your statements with facts so now you're changing the subject. Guess the OPer was right...wasting my time with people who believe what they believe, regardless of the facts.

[DainBramaged]

45. When they tell a lie often enough, it becomes truth to many

so many people think GM is making their cars in China for US consumption it isn't funny, and those who manipulate for the Foreign transplants here encourage that behaviour.


It's the same as believing Domestics are more expensive or get less mileage than their japanese counterparts.


The Chevy Equinox is the #1 rated mid-sized crossover in America, gets the best mileage, costs LESS than 23,000 LOADED, and is one of the BEST vehicles GM has ever built, yet most here are clueless about it because japanese make better cars (the lie) but they refuse to acknowledge the horrendous number of Toyota recalls in the past 24 months.

Ignorance, it is easier than facts.

[Shagbark Hickory]

48. I never suggested they were for the US market.

But cars used to be manufactured in the US and exported to China.
Buicks are to China what LExus are to the US. Or at least it used to be that way.
Now they're made in china. It's cheaper. Non union labor.

[hamsterjill]

73. Equinox

I'm going to be in the market for a new GM in about another 2 months, and I've been looking at the Equinox. My sister bought one 3 months ago and loves hers. I've driven hers a couple of times, and I really like it, too.

I also plan to check out the Malibu, but at this stage of the game, I'll probably buy an Equinox. My sister's gets amazing gas mileage! It's a 4-cylinder, but it has some punch!

[Ninjaneer]

91. Well said. I'm a poor college student

and I would not trade my (used) Honda Civic for any american counterpart.

I have only owned used cars and investments in the past into american cars have been absolutely catastrophic to my finances.

Given the choice between buying american, not graduating college because my tuition money went into car repairs, and "not supporting" unions, the choice is obvious.

The issue is not so black and white as some posters here would have us believe.

[lonestarnot]

15. Well why not, the only thing we export these days is death.

[deacon]

26. K + R

[SidDithers]

43. Does your support extend to international or foreign unions, or is it just American unions?...nt

Sid

[DainBramaged]

47. Are you registering as a Democrat for the 2012 election?

[SidDithers]

65. (sigh)...

I guess that's a no.

Sid

[Urban Prairie]

66. Does the nation or nations that those international or foreign unions are located in, support

and advocate "free trade" as it is known here in the US?

Are those nations completely or somewhat protectionist when it comes to direct or indirect foreign competition?

Does their governments directly or indirectly support, or partly own the companies that those union employees work for?

Does their governments levy taxes and/or tariffs upon the products and/or services manufactured, produced or offered by foreign-owned businesses, whether or not they originate within their countries?

Do their employers offer pensions, retirement plans, health and/or dental insurance as fringe benefits, and pay all or part of the/any premiums, contribute to or match retirement funding for their unionized employees, or is it even necessary or required for them to do so?

[DainBramaged]

67. Your questions will make heads explode

look out


:hide:

[SidDithers]

68. I was thinking of the CAW in particular...

since the poster I replied to seems to have a problem with Canadians.

I think that in general, trade between the US and Canada is mostly fair, without much in the way of protectionism on either side of the border.

I did get a chuckle at this question, tho:
"Does their governments directly or indirectly support, or partly own the companies that those union employees work for?" General Motors came to mind :)

Sid

[Name removed]

69. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Urban Prairie]

71. dupe n/t

[Urban Prairie]

72. I meant those nations who support their businesses on a more permanent and continuous basis

not those receiving a one time loan.

[amborin]

56. K&R

[Urban Prairie]

62. Considering what is happening in Japan right now

it has softened my fierce loathing of their protectionist trade policies, vis a vis our "anything goes" free trade policies, coupled with our leaky and loophole-filled tax codes. Although I have lived in the "automotive capital of the world" all of my life, I have never been directly or indirectly employed by any of the domestics, (including the late and lamented AMC) but I still deeply resented the fact that foreign automakers were permitted to export their vehicles here with the inherent advantage of far lower legacy costs, and far less costs attached to the price of their vehicles (health and dental insurance).

Have owned domestic vehicles all of my life. Maybe I would have saved money and got a better return on reselling foreign-made vehicles, but since I never had any major problems out of the ordinary with any of them, whether they were new or used, I may be biased, but it is not because of where I live.

The Japanese vehicle manufacturers have no allegiances with the US. If China and India are permitted to export their vehicles here in the US, and Wal*Mart dealerships selling them spring up next to their retail stores, and the Japanese begin to lose a great deal of market share to them, they WILL quickly shutter those non-union factories in the southern "right to work" states. Make NO mistake about that!!

[BOG PERSON]

64. oh yeah?

well, i happen to support the development of the social productivity of labor in china.

[Chris_Texas]

80. Support AMERICAN workers! Buy a Honda or Toyota! Screw the foreign made GM's and Fords

[Romulox]

86. SOLIDARITY!!!!!!111!!!!1!!!1

Errr? :rofl:

[Romulox]

85. I'm the opposite: I love charter schools, H1B visas, and outsourcing as much as I love scab cars!

Though I do have a "SOLIDARITY!!!1!!!!!1!" bumpersticker on my Prius! :silly:

[DainBramaged]

87. Never fail to make me laugh.

:fistbump: