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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:51 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 60
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-18">AJE Live Blog April 18 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x906939">Day 59 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


A rebel makes a victory sign

Photograph: AFP




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZB-N1PLi_Q">Libya's growing humanitarian crisis - video
The western Libyan city of Misurata continues to be under siege by Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

Its only lifelines are the sea routes to Benghazi, Tunis, and Malta, from where a steady stream of supplies has been trickling in over the past few weeks. However, supplies such as food and medicine are running short in Misurata, Libya's third largest city.

Al Jazeera's Jonah Hull and cameraman Craig Pennington, boarded a trawler carrying humanitarian supplies, for a 24-hour voyage to the city.

Warning: This exclusive package contains images that may disturb or offend some viewers.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/17/libya-attacks-ajdabiya-misrata-brega">Libyan families flee Gaddafi forces in Ajdabiya as civilian death toll rises
Muammar Gaddafi's forces mounted a heavy assault on Libyan rebels holding the key town of Ajdabiya on Sunday in a sign that the regime is stepping up efforts to regain territory in the east of the country.

Explosions were heard for several hours in the morning, forcing some of the few remaining families to flee to the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, 90 miles away.

Dozens of vehicles, some of them rebel trucks with heavy machine guns mounted in the back, were seen leaving Ajdabiya for Benghazi. Rebels were also seen laying anti-tank mines at the eastern gate of the city, highlighting their fears that Gaddafi's forces could retake the town.

In the besieged town of Misrata in the west, rebels said that six civilians were killed and dozens injured on Sunday in attacks by Gaddafi's forces.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/17/libya-chaos-theory-autocrats-arabs">Libya's false chaos theory
Moussa Koussa, the former Libyan foreign minister, has said that the country risks turning into another Somalia in the wake of the collapse of an African Union mediation effort. The AU's proposal for a ceasefire was, predictably, rejected by the opposition as it would have kept Colonel Muammar Gaddafi in power.

The future of Libya is highly uncertain, and it is not at all clear what a post-Gaddafi state would look like after four decades under a dictator who has deliberately weakened or banned all political alternatives or independent civil society.

However, Koussa's remarks should be treated with some scepticism. They are remarkably similar to comments previously made by Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, who said in a televised speech in February that the continuation of the uprising would lead to a bloody civil war – and eventually the country's disintegration. This was not so much political analysis as a threat, backed up by state violence.

It is a common strategy for authoritarian rulers to destroy and deny alternatives to their own rule. This allows the leader to argue that change – especially a popular uprising or democratisation – will lead to chaos, while the status quo promises stability. It's a powerful argument: in Britain, a similar case was made during the English civil war by political philosopher Thomas Hobbes, who argued that an absolute monarch was necessary to prevent man's natural state of war.


Powerful editorial for those saying if the rebels lay down arms there will be 'peace.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8457320/Libya-rebels-say-they-are-being-armed-by-friendly-countries.html">Libya: rebels say they are being armed by 'friendly countries'
Gen Abdul Fattah Younis, the former Gaddafi interior minister who now leads the rebel army, did not specify who was supplying him with weapons or give details of the armaments involved.

But Qatar, host of the meeting last week of countries opposed to Col Gaddafi's rule, had said as recently as last Thursday that it was ready to send supplies.

Separately, Britain has pledged to send 1,000 sets of body armour.

"Our situation is very good, thank God," Gen Younis said to the Dubai-based television station, Al-Arabiya, in confirming the weapons supplies.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8457019/David-Cameron-There-is-no-question-of-an-international-invasion-of-Libya.html">David Cameron: There is 'no question' of an international invasion of Libya
There is still "no question" of an international invasion of Libya, David Cameron has said, despite admitting the constraints on ground forces were making the mission more difficult.

Six civilians were reported killed and dozens more injured in the besieged rebel-held town of Misrata as forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi kept up a barrage of rockets and other fire.

Prime Minister David Cameron said the Nato-led air strikes on regime military targets had helped prevent massacres and the taking of Misrata but opposition forces have called for a stronger intervention.

While the United Nations Security Council authorised "all necessary measures" to protect civilians - it specifically ruled out the presence of any occupying force on the ground.


This is the Libyan's fight, and therefore I agree with this. Yes, it sucks, but it takes time for engineers and school teachers and hair dressers to become fighters. And a bit of natural selection.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/17/gadaffi-torturers-kindness-sirte">Saved from Gaddafi's torturers – by a simple gesture of kindness
When Ali Mufta draped his blanket around the shoulders of a pair of terrified teenage brothers, he thought of it as little more than a touch of kindness in the midst of a situation he describes as "a horror movie". But it was a gesture that saved him from the fate of other prisoners crammed into an underground cell in Sirte, the birthplace of the Libyan dictator, Muammar Gaddafi.

The petrol tanker driver watched horrified as his fellow captives were called out in ones and twos by Gaddafi's soldiers. He listened to their screams and pleas, and saw them return with broken hands and feet, and faces disfigured.

"They removed each person from the room in turn and they beat him and kicked him. They broke fingers and toes. They destroyed the faces. They came back completely covered in blood," he said. "I saw them kick a wounded rebel soldier until he bled to death. I saw a man who was crawling around on all fours as they kicked and beat him, and still he kept crawling. There wasn't a point of his body that wasn't beaten."

Mufta had no reason to believe his fate would be any different. A month ago, the 33-year-old had volunteered to take food to Ras Lanuf, a rebel-held town under attack from Gaddafi's forces. The aid convoy of food trucks and three ambulances from Benghazi arrived only to discover the Libyan dictator's army was already there.




http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:52 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 2:52am Monday, April 18
Sorry for being late today guys.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:54 PM
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2. Libyan rebels fear fresh attack on Ajdabiyah
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/04/17/uk-libya-idUKLDE71Q0MP20110417">Libyan rebels fear fresh attack on Ajdabiyah
(Reuters) - Libyan rebels scrambled to defend their eastern frontline outpost of Ajdabiyah on Sunday after fighting on the coastal highway towards the oil port of Brega occupied by Muammar Gaddafi's troops.

One witness said he saw around a dozen rockets land near the western entrance to town, which rebels wanted to use as a staging post to retake the oil port of Brega. Many fled as loud explosions boomed across the town.

"There are still some guys out there at the western gate but the situation isn't very good," said Wassim el-Agouri, a 25-year-old rebel volunteer waiting at Ajdabiyah's eastern gate.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:01 PM
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3. Libyans flee violence in remote western area
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/04/17/uk-libya-tunisia-refugees-idUKTRE73G1I520110417">Libyans flee violence in remote western area
(Reuters) - Hundreds of Libyans fleeing attacks by pro-government forces in a remote and mountainous western region poured across the border into neighbouring Tunisia Sunday, a resident and refugees said.

The violence in the Western Mountains region, a sparsely-populated area, has received little of the international attention given to attacks on cities on the coast such as Misrata and Ajdabiyah.

"Their number is very large. The number is still increasing," Ali, a Tunisian involved in helping Libyans arriving in the southern Tunisian border town of Dehiba, said.

"They are in thousands. Hundreds arrived a few minutes ago. They are from several areas including Nalut, Yafran and Rajban," he said by phone.


This is a redux of the migrations out of Libya in the 80s, and is similar to the migrations from most dictatorial regimes over the decades.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:02 PM
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4. K&R
Hi, Josh! Nice OP, as usual.

P.S.--We gotta stop meeting like this. :rofl:


:hi:






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:09 PM
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5. Hi pinboy3niner! Sorry for stealing a weekend for myself!
I suck, I know! :hug:

(Glad you had tab and iterate to help though!)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:41 PM
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8. Tabatha and Iterate have been GREAT!
Both work full-time jobs, but they manage to do a lot of work here, too. As do others, like Turborama, Medley Misty, albupp and more. Great teamwork from a great team!

I know it can be grueling at times, and I've recently wondered if we shouldn't have started 'eaglets' threats, instead. But somehow, it seems like that might not be quite as fulfilling...

Love & Peace,
pinboy3niner (your partner in crime :) )






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:52 PM
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10. Thanks for the thumbs up.
I am spoiled at my full-time job, because I am on my computer all day (very little traveling to the office) and can jump in now and again during short spells of computer processing where staring at the screen waiting for something to finish is boring. That may decrease next week as we are gearing up to work on an exciting project that could take several months with less waiting for feedback and other input.

Downside is all the sitting.

I have to bow out for the rest of today - processing a bunch of photos taken today, where leg motion had some much needed attention.

:hi: to you both.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:05 AM
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23. But we know who does the heavy lifting,
a.k.a., "You get the piano, I'll get the stool."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:11 PM
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62. Hi -- thank you all for telling this story -- an accumulation of horror --
which can't be told in one post -- or twenty --

We still have this widening gap between what we who read these threads know

and what DU/GD knows --



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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:13 PM
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6. Gaddafi exit from Libya is a global aim, says Cameron
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/17/gaddafi-exit-cameron">Gaddafi exit from Libya is a global aim, says Cameron
David Cameron has claimed that "virtually every country around the world" wants Colonel Gaddafi to step down as leader of Libya.

Dismissing suggestions that the anti-Gaddafi coalition had changed its war aims, the prime minister said that when he joined the presidents of the US and France in publishing a joint article saying that Gaddafi would have to go, the three leaders were merely expressing world opinion.

"If you stop and think about it, the idea that at the end of all this somehow you could keep in place Colonel Gaddafi, who is even as we speak right now murdering his own civilians in Misrata – the idea that he's got a part to play in the future of Libya must be wrong," Cameron said.

The publication of the joint article on Friday prompted calls for the recall of parliament, on the grounds that it implied regime change was now the main goal of the coalition. In an interview with Sky News on Sunday, Cameron rejected this analysis.
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:37 PM
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13. Well, it's not how it works. It may be "global" or even
intergalactic aim (if they can get the Klingons onboard), it would still mean nothing if Libyans themselves wanted him to stay. And it appears that at least
some of them do. Tough shit, Cameron, I guess, you will just have to keep bombing them until they all agree with you.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:51 PM
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15. At the end of the barrel of a gun maybe.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:17 PM
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16. Some Americans vote for fascists
And if one day we need international help to get rid of the fascists, I won't be saying no.

Pro-Gaddafi people are sick. Goodbye.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:10 AM
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20. "Fool"
How apt.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:15 PM
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63. It's fairly universal in Libya that Gaddafi be gone -- also remember Tripoli rose up --
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 04:26 PM
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71. If it was "fairly universal" he would be gone long time ago.
I gather that "intimidation and violence" (and the rebels use some other means to press their cause?)
could not be done by Qaddafi himself, even with help from his numerous sons. So spare me that propaganda,
we have heard it all already - "they all will meet us as liberators" - remember. If it was "fairly
universal" then what would be so wrong with holding an all-Libya UN-monitored referendum on Qaddafi's rule
instead of softening them up with the bombing first? For all we know, it is resolute support for
Qaddafi that is fairly universal, and the Benghazi dissidents are an exception which would be very
easily dealt with was it not for Sarkozy. It is so universal, in fact, that there is no way they can
depose Qaddafi and take Tripoli and then hold on to power without a full-on occupation of Libya by NATO.
It is exactly this popular support for Qaddafi which is the main target of this bombing. They think
that making them scared and miserable would force them to agree to the regime change. NATO very well
may be right in this calculation, but "freedom" and "democracy" don't enter into it at all.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:01 PM
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74. And is Gaddafi "softening up" Misurata so he can hold a fair election?
Gaddafi has been armed to the teeth -- and that's all that keeps him in power --

Fair elections -- why not make your suggestion to the UN!


:rofl:



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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:57 PM
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89. If you think that repeating those delusional lies over and over
will somehow make them true and the misguided policies based on them more effective,
keep up the good work. Fair elections - what a hilarious suggestion, they don't even
have those in the US. As if Libyans were capable of deciding their own fate. Sarkozy
surely knows best.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. Fool --
thanks for making clear who you are -- your'e on Ignore -- !!
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #96
108. Oh, you are breaking my heart. I am so offended.
That's one way to deal with realities - ignoring them. Seems to be currently in vogue in the US.
May even work for a while.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:06 PM
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100. These are all your delusional thoughts.
Please provide reliable statistics to indicate Gaddafi's support amongst Libyans.

You do know that the public hangings by Gaddafi were to warn people not to oppose him. Since then everyone has lived in fear.

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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #100
106. Fear-shmear ... There is nothing simpler than getting
those "reliable statistics" - just hold the UN-supervised referendum/elections to find out. There must be a reason
Qaddafi accepts such elections while the "rebels" will hear nothing of it. I suppose you can show reliable statistics
that everyone in Libya wants Qaddafi out? Or you are just taking the word of the NATO governments for it?
The same governments whose historical record of imperialism, lies and deception is well-established. Pardon me,
if I decide to be a bit more skeptical. You can put me on "ignore" as your friend did, that will teach me to doubt
the authorities. But you can't do it to all of objective reality, as hard is you might try.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:13 PM
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112. Qaddafi accepts such elections ?
Show me the report/link/article that states that.
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #112
114. He certainly does and stated as much on multiple
occasions while imploring NATO for a ceasefire. One particular example was the roadmap to peace proposed by
the African Union representatives which provided for such elections and was accepted in full by Qaddafi but
rejected outright by the rebels, whose starting point for any negotiations was always unconditional surrender
and departure of Qaddafi, thus giving Libyan people no chance to express their opinion of him in any democratic
way. If you want some one to do literature review for you get yourself a secretary, I am already employed otherwise.
Better yet, read some news yourself.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:32 PM
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116. Show me the link.
Edited on Mon Apr-18-11 09:42 PM by tabatha
Otherwise I do not believe a word you say.

All I have read is that he refuses to step down.

(You won't provide me the link because you cannot. Since you are making that claim it is not my responsibility to find documentation to support your claim. It is yours. )
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:43 PM
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117. How lazy can one be?
Here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/10/libya-african-union-gaddafi0-rebels-peace-talks

and here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gaddafi-accepts-road-map-for-peace-proposed-by-african-leaders/2011/04/10/AFbrtuJD_story.html

Of course, he refuses to step down. Why should he, if he believes that most people support him? Just because NATO says so? Or the rebels?
Hello, their desire to depose him is in the definition of the word "rebels". Doesn't make it a popular will yet.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:48 PM
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119. What a joke.
"He would not comment on whether the discussions with the Libyan leader had included the possibility of him relinquishing power." and that is supposed to mean accepting elections.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Elections mean that someone else can replace him. He won't step down MEANS no fair and free elections.

And calling me lazy is a stupid as your claim that Gaddafi accepts elections - I have read tons of articles on Libya over the last 30 days. So much so, that I am a regular contributor of links to articles to these pages.

And I would never have found it because "Elections mean that someone else can replace him." !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. Can you read at all? Of course, he accepts that
"someone else can replace him". Operative word here being "can" - he must win those elections first - rather than "must" as the rebels
insist. If you read tons of articles on Libya you would know it. How does "relinquishing power" unconditionally, as the rebels demand,
equal "accepting elections"? Enlighten me, please. Why should Libyan people be deprived of an opportunity to re-elect Qaddafi, if
that's what they want? Is that what NATO calls "democracy"? Is it really so laughable to ask those questions? Do you even understand
the difference between "would not comment" and "reject" or "deny"?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:12 PM
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121. I would question if you can read.
Edited on Mon Apr-18-11 10:17 PM by tabatha
If he meant that he would step down and run as a candidate, why not say that? Why say "would not comment".

Would not comment --- means absolutely nothing. It COULD mean

reject, deny, accept, agree

Anyone who wants to interpret "would not comment" is stupid - because it could mean anything.

Can you explain why Aisha Gaddafi stated that anyone who does not love Gaddafi is not a true Libyan? Please explain how that can possibly be construed as acceptance of an opposition party? It does not and never will.

"To speak of Gaddafi's resignation is a humiliation for all Libyans," she said in a brief statement at her father's Tripoli residence before hundreds of young supporters."
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #121
122. Well, one say "would not comment" because he didn't
want to comment, for instance. You contradict yourself. You just interpreted "would not comment" as his rejection to step down, and now you say
that interpreting it as anything is "stupid". Should I make an obvious logical conclusion, or you can figure it out for yourself? I have some doubts here.
Who is Aisha Qaddafi? Is she some kind of official Libyan spokesperson? So what if she stated her opinion, is it for some reason forbidden?
Is it wrong that she loves her dad and wants every Libyan to feel the same? It only makes Qaddafi a more sympathetic character, that his children
are so loving and devoted to him. To top that off, she made that statement in front of thousands of enthusiastic Qaddafi supporters, so one can
surely excuse her a bit of extra dramatic flourish, we certainly heard worse from American Party Conferences' speakers. The very fact that there were
thousands of enthusiastic listeners attending her speech all by itself shoots the claim that "everyone in Libya hates Qaddafi and wants him out"
straight out of the water. If NATO propagandists are pushing such an easily refutable lie so shamelessly, why should anyone believe anything
they say?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:41 PM
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123. Would not comment
does not mean "would step down". That was my point. You had implied that in that article (which I had read at least twice before) that Gaddafi stated that he was open to elections. It does not say that. Period.

It is well known and documented that Gaddafi forces people to do things, otherwise they disappear. This has been consistent for 42 years, and he has never shown any inclination to do otherwise.

I would like to talk to the people attending Aisha's rally one-on-one to find out what they really think - otherwise it is all a show.

I don't care if Aisha loves her Dad, surely she is adult enough to understand that in this world many people have different opinions, and to question someone's patriotism because they have a different opinion is not the utterance of a rational, mature person.

So you are asking me to accept two lies

- Gaddafi said he would step down and welcome elections
- Aisha did not mean what she said

Arguing with people like you goes nowhere because you will not accept the truth. Your only defense is to attack the person - i.e. use ad hominem. Sorry, I prefer that people provide facts, not rambling psycho babble.

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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:19 AM
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124. Do project much?
I am in complete agreement with your last sentence, so take your rambling psycho babble and use it on someone who may be
susceptible to it. I will remain skeptical of the lies you and other government propagandists are pushing.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 11:11 PM
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18. K/R -- Libya Hurrah -- !!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:14 PM
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79. "Gaddafi is murdering his own civilians in Misrata" .... !!!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:34 PM
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7. Libyan foreign minister held talks with a UN envoy & said Libya was ready to comply with a ceasefire
2:55am Abdelati Obeidi, the Libyan foreign minister, has held talks with Abdelilah al-Khatib, a UN envoy, in Tripoli and said Libya was ready to comply with United Nations resolutions to implement a ceasefire and allow the delivery of humanitarian aid, according to Jana, Libya's official state news agency.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-18#update-27306

:rofl:
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mariposalily Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:20 PM
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17. how many times?

Just how many times are we supposed to believe this one? Ever heard of the little boy who cried wolf?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:43 PM
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9. K&R
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:29 PM
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11. K&R. nt.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:29 PM
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12. Gadhafi’s new weapon of choice: rape
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Gadhafi+weapon+choice+rape/4631608/story.html">Gadhafi’s new weapon of choice: rape
Nothing in Leila’s life could have prepared her for the ordeal she suffered in her own home at the hands of one of Moammar Gadhafi’s soldiers.

The memory and shame of the night of March 14, when the 28-year-old mother of two was raped and brutalized — with one child still wrapped in her arms and the other forced to watch — is so horrific that she contemplates suicide.

Her husband was away fighting for the rebels when Gadhafi’s thugs smashed in the door to her apartment. He has since learned of her treatment, but in a strict religious society where the victims of rape often become outcasts, he has yet to see her again.

Leila’s ordeal in front of her sons, aged three and five, was described to Khalifa al-Sharkassi, a doctor, and is one of many accounts I have heard in which Gadhafi’s forces have used rape to destroy the lives of women.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 11:13 PM
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19. Gaddafi is a monster -- rape a tool of war --- these women are also "martyrs" --
and should be treated as such!

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:18 AM
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24. Another source of cyclical violence.
Without justice there will be no peace and the cycle continues through into the next generation.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:49 PM
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14. Graphic of the western mountain region in Libya, lots and lots of fighting there:
http://twitpic.com/4lx8bb/full

If this map is true it only shows that indeed Gaddafi has not silenced these cities as I once thought.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 01:18 AM
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21. Ben Wedeman's tweets after being in Misrata. (CNN reporter)
There's no link to an article yet - he must have just returned. (For those unfamiliar with twitter...) the first tweet is at the bottom, the last at the top - so read bottom to top, to read them in order:


bencnn benwedeman
Misrata is NOT "total chaos". Situation is extremely difficult, but city is well organised, defended with bravery and determination. #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
Another young man, his leg amputated Sunday, screaming on board ship in horrific pain. #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
Another severely wounded would-be evacuee had to be turned back because doctors feared he would die during voyage. #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
One of Misrata evacuees, a man who cooked meals for refugees, had to have both legs and an arm amputated after rocket attack. #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
UN Security Council Resolution 1973 calls for protection of civilians. Misrata doctor tells me "they are not protected at all." #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
In Qasr Ahmed clinic in Misrata, all the wounded are either young or old. All civilians hit either by snipers or rocket shrapnel. #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
Ca. 900 people evacuated from Misrata last night-from West Africa, Philippines, etc. plus 23 badly wounded people going to Benghazi #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
Misrata residents say Qaddafi forces firing missiles into the city, hitting residential areas randomly. #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
Obama, Sarkozy and Cameron described siege of Misrata as "medieval". Their description is accurate. #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
Misrata residents say NATO air strikes few and far between, but potential targets are many. #Libya
1 hour ago
»
bencnn benwedeman
On ship back from Misrata. Situation there critical. Under bombardment. Under siege. Short of medicine. Not short of courage. #Libya
2 hours ago

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:51 AM
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22. UPDATE 1-Rebels say 17 dead as Misrata hit by rockets(Sunday)
BEIRUT, April 18 (Reuters) - Forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi bombarded Misrata with rockets and artillery on Monday and 17 people were killed in the previous day's shelling of the besieged Libyan city, a rebel spokesman said.

Libya's third-largest city -- the insurgents' last major stronghold in the west of the country -- has been under siege by pro-Gaddafi troops for about seven weeks.

Hundreds of people are believed to have been killed in Misrata and thousands of foreign migrant workers are stranded there in miserable conditions, trying to get out aboard rescue ships sent by humanitarian bodies.

"The Gaddafi forces are shelling Misrata now. They are firing rockets and artillery rounds on the eastern side -- the Nakl el Theqeel (road) and the residential areas around it," Abdubasset Abu Mzeireq said from the coastal city.

Continue...
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73H0RX20110418?sp=true

Again, this is an account of those 17 killed and the approximately 100 injured on Sunday.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:05 PM
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76. k/r
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:20 AM
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25. Syrians demand overthrow of Assad at mass funeral
AMMAN, April 18 (Reuters) - Thousands of Syrians demanded the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad at a funeral on Monday for at least eight protesters shot dead by security forces in the city of Homs, a witness said.

"From alleyway to alleway, from house to house, we want to overthrow you, Bashar," the mourners chanted, according to the witness at the mass funeral. (Reporting by Khaled Yacoub Oweis, Amman newsroom)

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73H14W20110418
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:28 AM
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26. Under Gaddafi's eyes
Evan Hill Last Modified: 17 Apr 2011 01:34

Benghazi, LIBYA - Benghazi internal security headquarters, November 3, 1990. A fax arrives at 10:30 in the morning, addressed to the director from the head office in Tripoli.

"We received information about some of the suspicious people," it begins. A list of names and paragraphs of information follow.

One man is singled out for listening to religious tape cassettes from an Egyptian sheikh. Another man named Bileid is identified as a teacher and a "big criminal," someone who has grown a beard but is "morally depraved," implying that he is homosexual.

At the bottom of the page is Eissa Ahmed al-Farsi. He was fired from his job as an agricultural studies teacher at Omar Mukhtar University in Baida. He belonged to one of Libya’s secretive revolutionary committees, the power behind Muammar Gaddafi’s regime, but dropped out. He began spending time with bearded men at the Abu Bakr al-Siddiq mosque in Benghazi..

Continue...
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/04/20114171045914762.html

Nice to have Evan Hill back in Benghazi. Great article.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 08:56 AM
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27. AJE: Another 1,000 people have been transported out of Misurata...
2:00pm

Another 1,000 people have been transported out of Misurata by the International Organisation for Migration - but at least 4,000 people remain, awaiting rescue.

The group included 650 Ghanaians, as well as 100 Libyans - among them a child who was shot in the face, said the agency. Pasquale Lupoli, IOM's Middle East representative said:

"We have a very, very small window to get everyone out. We do not have the luxury of having days, but hours.

Instead of carrying out several further missions that will go into next week, what we now need is to have a ship that can accommodate at least 4,000 people and do one last mission that can take everyone out at the same time immediately."

Spokeswoman Jemini Pandya noted that those stranded in Misrata are extremely weak and dehydrated after living nearly two months in the open and with little food and no access to clean water.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-18#update-27366
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:06 AM
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28. AJE video: UN under-secretary for humanitarian affairs Baroness Amos in Benghazi
1:20pm

Baroness Valerie Amos, UN under-secretary for humanitarian affairs, is in Benghazi to help coordinate the flow of aid arriving into the country.

She says she asked Libyan officials to allow the UN access to the besieged city of Misurata, but Gaddafi's administration rejected a cessation of hostilities to allow civilians to move to a safer location.

She speaks to Al Jazeera from Benghazi - and we are also joined by our correspondent Jonah Hull, who visited Misurata yesterday.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-18#update-27366

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka7XskqD18U&feature=player_embedded
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:26 AM
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29. NATO update for 17 April 2011
Key Targets and Engagements**
17 April: In the vicinity of Tripoli: Seven ammunition bunkers destroyed. In the vicinity of Misrata: Four air defense radars destroyed. In the vicinity of Sirte: Two hangars; one ammunition depot destroyed. In the vicinity of Zintan: Four launchers; one air defense radar; one ammunition storage facility destroyed.
**Key Engagements are not intended to give a complete account of all targets which were engaged.

Arms Embargo Activities
A total of 18 ships under NATO command are actively patrolling the Central Mediterranean.
22 Vessels were hailed on 17 April to determine destination and cargo. 1 boarding was conducted (no diversion).
A total of 384 vessels have been hailed, 10 boardings and 3 diversions have been conducted since the beginning of arms embargo operations.

International Humanitarian Assistance Movements as recorded by NATO
Total of Humanitarian Movements***: 76 (air, ground, maritime)
Ships delivering Humanitarian Assistance 17 April: 2 executed and 5 in execution.
Aircraft delivering Humanitarian Assistance 17 April: 3
*** Some humanitarian movements cover several days.

http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_2011_04/20110418_110418-oup-update.pdf
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:29 AM
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30. Boat with Libya officers reaches Tunisia - agency
Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:26pm GMT

TUNIS, April 18 (Reuters) - A boat carrying a Libyan Interior Ministry colonel and 19 other people fleeing their home country arrived in a southern Tunisian port on Monday, Tunisia's TAP news agency reported, citing a security source.

A ministry captain and soldier were also onboard the vessel, it said, giving no details on their identities or where the boat came from.

Last Friday, two small boats with five Libyan army officers and 13 other people arrived in the same Tunisian port, El Ketf. (Reporting by Tarek Amara; writing by Fredrik Dahl; editing by Alison Williams)

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73H1FK20110418
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:53 PM
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48. Officers defect from Libya's internal security forces
AP - Tunisia's state media says that three Libyan security officials in Muammar Gaddafi's regime have defected, arriving at a Tunisian port in a boat with some 20 other Libyans.

A colonel, a captain and another officer in the internal security forces reportedly turned up at El Ketf port in the Ben Guerdane region.

The defections follow those of five Libyan army officers who fled to Tunisia on Friday with 13 of their countrymen.

7:15pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-18






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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 02:55 PM
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57. K/R
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:31 AM
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31. Libya's oil company protests to OPEC about Qatar
Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:03pm GMT

LONDON, April 18 (Reuters) - Libya's National Oil Corporation has written to OPEC to complain about help fellow member Qatar is giving to Libyan rebels, sources familiar with the matter said on Monday.

The complaint by Shokri Ghanem, the chairman of NOC, hints at rising political tension as a result of the Libyan crisis within the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, which pumps more than a third of the world's oil.

"This is very unfortunate," said one of the sources, who declined to be identified because the source is not authorised to speak to journalists.

The 12-member OPEC has decided against taking any formal action on raising its production in response to the loss of Libya's oil exports and it is not scheduled to meet until June.

Still, Saudi Arabia and some other members have informally raised output, helping to make up for lost supply.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFWLA838020110418
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:34 AM
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32. AJE: Citizens' videos capture Syrian turmoil
Massive protests calling for freedom and regime change have spread across Syria since first erupting in the southern city of Deraa a month ago. The demonstrations have continued unabated in spite of a pledge by Bashar al-Assad, the president, on Saturday to implement major reforms and end the 48-year-old emergency law.

Syrian security forces and pro-government armed men have responded to the protests with a bloody crackdown, killing hundreds and wounding many more throughout the country. Hundreds of others, including many children, have also been arrested for protesting.

The country has been subjected to emergency law since 1963 - the year Hafez Al-Assad, the father of the current president, took power after leading a military coup.

International organisations have described the human rights status in Syria as being one of the worst in the world, with security forces having a long history of harassing and imprisoning rights activists and critics of the government. Protesters are also calling for the release of thousands of political prisoners and dissidents.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/201141811535799497.html

or

Syrian police opened fire on peaceful protesters in the city of Tilbisa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1o8TluRWEZQ

Thousands march through the streets of Deraa carrying lighted lanterns in an anti-government protest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wnw_guuJjE&feature=player_embedded#at=59

Hafez al-assad statue is destroyed in the city of Al-Rastan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms4ENICCCJc&feature=player_embedded

Another statue of Hafez al-Assad was destroyed in Deraa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6llu7fM5ww&feature=player_embedded

or...there are 18 of these, most of them added within the past few days.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:43 AM
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33.  April in Benghazi
Edited on Mon Apr-18-11 09:44 AM by tabatha
Beautiful photography from Benghazi
http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/04/beautiful-photography-from-benghazi/


All pictures by Al Jazeera English online producer Evan Hill.

Original Flickr slideshow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aljazeeraenglish/sets/72157626522546224/show/
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:50 AM
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34. NYT: A Procession of Wartime Trauma (graphic)
NYT Photo essay: A Procession of Wartime Trauma by Bryan Denton for The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/18/world/africa/20110418_MISURATA_BIG.html?src=tptw#1

Far from the most graphic we've seen in these threads, somehow I wish I hadn't clicked. Perhaps it was the exasperation of the doctors.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:56 AM
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35. Fighting for Misurata, Ajdabiya continues
Edited on Mon Apr-18-11 10:07 AM by tabatha
TRIPOLI, Libya, April 18 (UPI) -- Pro-democracy forces fought troops loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi on two fronts, in Misurata and Ajdabiya, witnesses said Monday.

In Misurata, under siege for at least six weeks, rebels withstood heavy shelling and gunfire Sunday to take control of one crossroad, a skirmish in which 10 people died during a day of fighting across the city, Franc 24 reported.

In an artillery attack elsewhere in Misurata, at least six people were killed and about 47 people were injured, witnesses said.

Rebel leaders said they captured Ajdabiya but government forces reportedly were pounding the town, al-Jazeera reported. The rebels earlier advanced from Ajdabiya to the oil town of Brega.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/04/18/Fighting-for-Misurata-Ajdabiya-continues/UPI-24711303134932/#ixzz1Jt5TdYvq


A Libyan child holds former national flag during the funeral of two rebels one of them Faraj Omar Boushaiha, 51, who his relatives said died in Ajdabiya, during his funeral on Thursday, April 15, 2011, in the square next to the courthouse on the corniche in Benghazi, Libya. UPI\Tarek Alhuony.


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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:05 AM
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36. @ChangeInLibya: Two pics, one from Misrata, one "Oh, hi there."
Pic from @ChangeInLibya:

Misrata: A building used by Gaddafi snipers burns after it was surrounded & liberated by Freedom Fighters
http://twitpic.com/4mdho3

Oh, hi there
http://twitpic.com/4l5gk1
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:11 AM
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37. Snipers, cluster bombs panic Libya's Misrata
MISRATA, Libya (AFP) – Snipers, cluster bombs and intense shelling are spreading panic in Misrata, an AFP reporter said on Monday, as a doctor reported 1,000 people killed in six weeks of fighting in the besieged city.

With fears growing that refugees will attempt a chaotic mass escape by sea from the city of 400,000, UN chief Ban Ki-moon called for a ceasefire and a political solution to the two-month-old conflict in Libya.

The International Organisation for Migration warned that the vast numbers wanting to flee Misrata, about 215 kilometres (130 miles) east of Tripoli, was threatening to overwhelm an international sea rescue operation.

The IOM said nearly 1,000 stranded people had been taken out on Monday, but that thousands more were awaiting rescue in increasingly perilous circumstances.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110418/ts_afp/libyaconflict?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+yahoo%2FPXmE+%28Yahoo!+News%3A+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:06 PM
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:13 AM
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38. Spokesman: Horror in Misrata grows with fresh shelling, little aid
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The nightmare in Libya's war-torn city of Misrata intensified Monday amid more shelling on the city and desperate measures to get medical care, an opposition spokesman said.

"The aid coming from outside is not enough. There is no hospital," said the spokesman, who wanted to be identified only as "Mohammed" for safety reasons.

He said 21 people were killed and more than 100 were injured from shelling Sunday in Misrata. Monday's shelling fell on the city's critical port area -- Misrata's lifeline to humanitarian aid -- and an industrial area that includes small businesses and small factories.

With a city hospital taken over by pro-government forces, makeshift clinics have popped up to treat the wounded. And in a city where access to food, water and electricity has been scarce, Mohammed said people have been using cell phones for light during surgery.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/18/libya.war/index.html?eref=edition
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:05 PM
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 11:02 AM
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39. Tweets from Yefren/Zintan
@4Adam
# The besieged #Yefren and #Qalaa have been under heavy attacks since early morning until now. Gaddafi farces cutting trees 2 hide their tanks vor 9 Minuten via Seesmic Desktop

# #Gaddafi forces preperations to attack #Nafusa #Libya http://bit.ly/ewMwAK http://bit.ly/eVQVnA http://bit.ly/e5k3hz http://bit.ly/fhnZeS vor 20 Minuten via Seesmic Desktop

# #Nafusa: #Gaddafi battalions in open space to strike #Zintan. @NATO SEES IT ISN'T A TREAT. No action was taken http://on.fb.me/gQyYwS #Libya vor 26 Minuten via Seesmic Desktop

# #Yefren Gaddafi sent another 16tanks abt 2hrs ago for the 4th invasion attempts to occupy #Yefren which w/ #Qalaa have been besieged 2months vor 39 Minuten via Seesmic Desktop

# AlmanaraMedia:150 Gadhafi SUV vehicles w/ heavy machineguns rocket launchers & buses carrying soldiers arrived to #Nalut - #Tunisia border vor ungefähr 1 Stunde via Seesmic Desktop

# 3 air strikes by Nato forces on Gaddafi's battalions North #Zintan today morning.One Grad missile vehicle was has hit. #Libya #Nafusa vor ungefähr 1 Stunde via Seesmic Desktop

# Mon. #Yefren, #Qalaa: heavy indiscriminate shelling started an hour ago, Grad missiles and tanks are stationed at SE. of the towns. #Libya vor ungefähr 1 Stunde via Seesmic Desktop

AlmanaraMedia:150 Gadhafi SUV vehicles w/ heavy machineguns rocket launchers & buses carrying soldiers arrived to #Nalut - #Tunisia border
about 1 hour ago via Seesmic Desktop

The youtube clips seem consistent and give an idea of the terrain.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 11:42 AM
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40. Libya: Britain pledges funds to help 5,000 escape Misurata
From The Telegraph Monday 18 April 2011 1:07PM BST

Speaking before talks with United Nations aid bodies in New York, Mr Mitchell said the emergency evacuations would aim to get foreign workers who had managed to reach Misurata docks safely out of the town.

The evacuations will be carried out by the International Organisation for Migration (IOM).

Britain will also fund critical medical aid, to be provided by the International Medical Corps (IMC), for civilians in towns across western Libya.

Mr Mitchell said: ''I am determined that Britain continues to provide help to those innocent civilians who are caught up in the ongoing violence.

...continue...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8458763/Libya-Britain-pledges-funds-to-help-5000-escape-Misurata.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 11:50 AM
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41. Misrata: Sunday's death toll rises to 25, 4 killed Monday
Reuters - Rebels say four civilians were killed in Misurata on Monday in renewed bombardment by Muammar Gaddafi's forces of the coastal Libyan city.

Gemal Salem, a spokesman for the insurgents, also said the death toll from Sunday's shelling had risen to 25 as some of those who had been critically wounded had died. He did not say whether that figure included rebel fighters.

6:02pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-18






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 11:59 AM
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42. Libyan government promises U.N. access to Misurata

Source: Washington Post




By Simon Denyer, Monday, April 18, 12:06 PM



TRIPOLI, Libya — The Libyan government has promised to allow the United Nations to open a humanitarian corridor to the western city of Misurata to provide aid, food and medicine to civilians and safe passage for people to leave, after weeks of heavy shelling that have left an estimated 1,000 people dead.


Residents and doctors in the rebel-held portion of the coastal city said 23 people had been killed in heavy tank, mortar, rocket and sniper fire from government forces on Sunday and another five had died on Monday.


More than 300 men, women and children have been registered dead in the hospitals of the western port city. "But a greater number died in situ and were buried directly," said Mohammed, a spokesman for the city council who prefers not to give his family name for safety reasons. He estimated 1,000 people had died in total since the siege began in late February, but said some doctors believed the death toll was higher.


U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon appealed to Libyan forces on Monday to hold their fire. "Considering the magnitude of this crisis, and as this fighting is still continuing, it is absolutely necessary that Libyan authorities stop the fighting, stop killing people," he told a news conference in Budapest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/libyan-government-promises-un-access-to-misurata-as-desperation-mounts/2011/04/18/AF7g3fzD_story.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:07 PM
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43. Libya's artists: We are the 'true' Libya


Source: CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

•A newfound freedom of speech has been embraced by Libyan musicians and artists

•One Libyan rocker: "It's an amazing feeling I've never had in my life"

•The artists say the Libyan rebels have weapons, but they're not terrorists




By Reza Sayah, CNN

April 18, 2011 -- Updated 1508 GMT (2308 HKT)



Benghazi, Libya (CNN) -- Hip-hop artists don't often smile, so it was no surprise that Libyan rapper MC Swat scowled suspiciously when I first walked into his cramped, cigarette smoke-filled studio in a former government building in Benghazi.

...


Libyan musicians and artists probably have a right to be wary of strangers. For decades, they say, they feared agents and paid informants of Moammar Gadhafi's repressive regime who reported to the government any work they deemed hostile to the state.


When asked what would happen if he rapped his anti-regime lyrics prior to Libya's uprising, MC Swat said, "I would be shot to death like Tupac," referring to the American rapper killed in 1996.


But here in Benghazi, the opposition's de facto capital, there's no sign of Gadhafi's loyalists anymore -- or the fear that kept artists like MC Swat quiet for so long. A newfound freedom of expression has sparked an explosion in revolutionary music and art.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/18/libya.musicians.artists/







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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:11 PM
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44. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, joshcryer.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:25 PM
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45. Libyan civilian casualties mount in Misrata

Source: MSNBC





Shelling continues as UN, Gadhafi government reach deal on providing humanitarian aid

msnbc.com news services
updated 57 minutes ago



TRIPOLI, Libya — Forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi again bombarded the rebel stronghold of Misrata with rockets and artillery on Monday and humanitarian officials said they were "deeply concerned" about the fate of civilians there.


"The shelling today killed four civilians and wounded five," Gemal Salem, a spokesman for the insurgents, told Reuters from the besieged coastal city. "This is just the preliminary result, we think it is higher."


Salem also said the death toll from Sunday's shelling in Misrata had risen to 25 as some of those who had been critically wounded had died. He did not say whether that figure included rebel fighters.

...


He said about 100 people were also wounded in Sunday's clashes, mostly civilians.


Gadhafi's government has promised the U.N. humanitarian access to Misrata, but has not guaranteed a halt of hostilities during such a mission, said the U.N.'s humanitarian chief, Valerie Amos, who met with the Libyan prime minister in the capital of Tripoli on Sunday.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42642714/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:32 PM
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46. Libya rebel oil firm plays down export prospects
Source: Reuters




Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:07pm GMT

By Alexander Dziadosz


BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - Libyan rebels are unlikely to export any more oil until they are able to resume production but are keeping in touch with potential buyers, an oil official in the opposition-held east said on Monday.


The rebels control fields owned by the Arabian Gulf Oil Company (Agoco), including Nafoora, Misla and Sarir, which have a combined potential production capacity of about 400,000 barrels per day, Wahid Bugaighis told Reuters in an interview.


"We still have contacts with potential buyers, but naturally nothing materialises right now until we know what the situation is and when we will be back on stream," said Bugaighis, who was appointed head of the National Oil Company, set up by the Benghazi-based rebel national council to sell oil produced in rebel-held areas.

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Rebels had to shut down oil production after forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi attacked Agoco's Misla field in early April, damaging its power generation system, an oil tank, some smaller diesel tanks and other equipment, Bugaighis said.


...


http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE73H09H20110418?sp=true








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:49 PM
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47. Gaddafi’s Tripoli lives under pall of fear

Source: Washington Post





By Simon Denyer, Monday, April 18, 12:22 PM


TRIPOLI, Libya — The armed men arrived this month, pounded on the door and took Ibrahim’s cousin away. There was not a word of explanation and not a word since about where he has been taken.


I can’t even ask anyone where my cousin is. It’s too dangerous,” the 33-year-old told two reporters who had briefly slipped away from their government minders, on a chance encounter in the maze-like streets of Tripoli’s walled old town.


“Everyone is scared,” he added, looking furtively to the right and left, wary of government informers. We can only talk to a few close friends. We can’t trust anyone else.”


Human rights groups say the Libyan government embarked on a systematic and widespread campaign to imprison critics in Tripoli after protests against Moammar Gaddafi’s rule erupted — and were violently put down — in February. Ibrahim’s account, and that of other Tripoli residents, suggests that the campaign is continuing this month, albeit at a slower pace.


Gaddafi and his security forces are brutally suppressing all opposition in Tripoli, including peaceful protests, with lethal force, arbitrary arrests, and forced disappearances,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “Given Libya’s record of torture and political killings, we worry deeply about the fate of those taken away.”

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gaddafis-tripoli-lives-under-pall-of-fear/2011/04/13/AFTPsmzD_story.html








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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 01:15 PM
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49. Video accounts from the Western Mountains
The struggle in this area is more akin to that of a guerrilla army against an occupying force. Early on, there were no weapons depots which were stormed other than local police stations. Weapons are gathered from Gaddafi forces after each victory.

Regime forces are limited to the road network, and have replied with heavy weapons. Guerrillas know the area and use ambush.

Some of these videos may have been posted before, but I thought it would be good to have some of the better ones gathered in one place and reviewed for their current importance. I don't know what to do with the Arabic titles, as few of them translate well. So I'm just adding a brief description if necessary. It's a reverse chronological order, mostly.

Libya war Zenten Zintan arab protesters arab revolution 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLrF4BdGd-s
uploaded just two hours ago.

From: zintan2011 18 Apr 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/1/aamKLapsq3s
Armored Gaddafi column moves up mountain road toward "the castle"

4 Mobilize battalions to strike Alzentan
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/2/AegNb5cHfis

3 Mobilize battalions to strike Alzentan
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/3/KjnWrCv7HFs

2 Mobilize battalions to strike Alzentan
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/4/my0CEQFrQpg

1 Mobilize battalions to strike Alzentan
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/5/vjjN6cQDBJQ

Those above were posted three hours ago

The battlefield of ZINTAN 27 Mar 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/23/D4RvFAYpJYQ
This one is good for understanding the situation in general.

Inside the hospital of ZINTAN 27 Mar 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/22/Kbc5246b7pA

There's a professional report in the middle of this:
Exclusive France 24 report from rebel-held Zintan in western Libya 22 Mar 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuVwRMKwcGU

3-The effects of bombing on the city Alzentan 21 Mar 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/58/OtYoqOY67Hs

Exodus of city dwellers in the western side of the Alzentan 21 Mar 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/57/b59-bAGPpfI

Join the rebels of the rebel city Alryaynp City Alzentan 11 Mar 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/69/jx16macONIQ
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/64/drD260-0q7k

There are several similar ones of peaceful protest at about the same time. Troops had been pulled out to finish off Az Zawiyah.

Friday city crowd Alzentan 5 Mar 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/99/FqjVHId7yhM

And finally this:
NO JUSTICE …… NO PEACE - 23 Feb 2011
http://www.youtube.com/user/zintan2011#p/u/146/Y7csw57ooN8

Silent translations of graffiti and protest banners. Couldn't have said it better.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 01:26 PM
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50.  FRANCE 24 Libya - Special report: with Misrata's rebels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf4bB70FXQU

Libya - Conditions in the rebel-held Misrata were getting increasingly desperate Sunday, as Muammar Gaddafi's forces bombarded the city for the fourth straight day. Libya's third-largest city has been under siege by pro-Gaddafi troops for seven weeks.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 01:27 PM
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51. UK to help migrants flee Misurata, Libya, amidst dire humanitarian crisis
Source: International Business Times




April 18, 2011 9:10 AM EDT



The British government will assist about 5,000 migrant workers leave Libya, according to the secretary of state for international development secretary, Conservative MP Andrew Mitchell.


The migrants have been trapped in western Libya, particularly in the Misurata area which has witnessed a brutal assault by forces loyal to Moammar Gaddafi against the rebels who still control the town.


Mitchell, who is in New York attending a United Nations summit on the growing humanitarian crisis in Libya, explained that Britain will charter ships chartered by the International Organization for Migration (IOM) to help evacuate migrants out of Misurata.

...


Britain will also provide funds to pay for medical aid to migrants under the auspices of the International Medical Corps (IMC).

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/135407/20110418/misurata-libya-aid-uk-un.htm#ixzz1JtmmLWZT








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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:04 PM
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 01:50 PM
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52. Protesters in Syrian city hold sit-in
Source: Al Jazeera and agencies

Protesters in Syrian city hold sit-in
Calls made for overthrow of President Assad, a day after 30 demonstrators were reportedly killed by security forces.
Last Modified: 18 Apr 2011 18:36

Tens of thousands of Syrians have gathered in the main square in the central city of Homs, a day after activists said at least 25 people were killed there.

A protester who gave his name as Rami told Al Jazeera that about 50,000 people were staging a sit-in on Monday and would "continue to protest until the regime is overthrown".

There were reports of warnings that security forces were about to disperse the crowds.

Earlier in the day, thousands attended the funerals for protesters killed in Homs, shouting slogans against Bashar al-Assad, the country's president.

Continue...
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/201141817736498882.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 01:52 PM
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53. More than 100 people killed in 24 hrs in Libya's rebel-held Al-Jabal Al-Gharbi district W of Tripoli
AFP - More than 100 people have been killed in 24 hours in Libya's rebel-held Al-Jabal Al-Gharbi district west of Tripoli after it was pounded by Kadhafi forces, residents tell AFP news agency.

8:24pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-18






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 02:03 PM
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54. On Ship of Evacuees From Libya, Harrowing Tales

Source: New York Times





By C.J. CHIVERS

Published: April 18, 2011


ABOARD THE IONIAN SPIRIT —

...


“Thank God for this ship,” said Mohamed Youssif, whose right leg was amputated on Sunday after he was struck by shrapnel while riding in a pickup truck near Tripoli Street, one of Misurata’s fronts.


In other cabins were more victims — a nine-year-old boy struck with shrapnel in the teeth, and an anti-Qaddafi sniper shot through his mouth, a bald and bearded man peppered with shrapnel holes.


One deck also held several evacuees of Philippines nationality, some of whom said that more than a dozen of their friends and colleagues in Misurata had been missing since mid-March, when the pro-Qaddafi forces had attacked Tripoli Street and occupied the neighborhood near their apartment building.


“They were at their homes, and the Qaddafi military came and we haven’t seen them since,” said Lilian Rosales, 53, a nurse from Mindanao. “We could not go home to look for them because of the snipers.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/world/africa/19evacuees.html








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 02:26 PM
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55. 19 Ukrainians Travel From Misrata To Benghazi In Libya On Ionian Spirit Ship

Source: Ukrainian News Agency




(14:36, Monday, April 18, 2011)


Nineteen Ukrainians have traveled from the port of Misrata to Benghazi (Libya) aboard the International Organization for Migration's Ionian Spirit ship.

...


As Ukrainian News earlier reported, 19 Ukrainian citizens in Misrata were awaiting the arrival of the Maria Dolores ship to evacuate them, but the ship was forced to return to Malta for technical reasons.


A British warship evacuated six Ukrainian medical professionals with the Libyan Red Cross from Misrata to Malta On April 14.


The Kostiantyn Olshanskyi amphibious assault ship with 114 Ukrainian and foreign evacuees from Libya arrived in Sevastopol on April 11.


http://un.ua/eng/article/324149.html








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 02:42 PM
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56. UN Announces Aid Deal for Misrata as Qaddafi Keeps Up Attacks


Source: Bloomberg




April 18, 2011, 1:35 PM EDT

By Patrick Donahue and Maher Chmaytelli



April 18 (Bloomberg) -- The United Nations reached an agreement with Muammar Qaddafi’s regime that would permit aid workers and supplies into the embattled Libyan port city of Misrata, as almost 1,000 stranded migrant workers, mostly Ghanaians, were evacuated by ship.


UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said today that the Libyan government agreed that it would also allow greater access of aid workers and supplies to Qaddafi’s capital, Tripoli, and areas of western Libya under government control. Ban, speaking in Budapest, said the UN already has a humanitarian presence in Benghazi, the rebel capital.

...


Thousands of foreign workers have managed to reach the port but find themselves at terrible risk from incoming fire,” Britain’s International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell said in a statement in New York, where he is meeting UN officials on how to coordinate aid efforts. “These evacuations will take them to safety and help reduce the demand in Misrata for the very limited supplies of food, water and medical supplies.”

...


Libyan government forces have repeatedly fired mortars and Grad rockets into residential neighborhoods in Misrata, causing civilian casualties,” said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch. “The Soviet-made Grad in particular is one of the world’s most inaccurate rocket systems and should never be fired in areas with civilians.”

...


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-18/un-announces-aid-deal-for-misrata-as-qaddafi-keeps-up-attacks.html








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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:04 PM
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:21 PM
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64. Libyan Opposition Seeks to Build Self-Styled Government

Source: VOA




Scott Bobb | Benghazi April 18, 2011


With fighting between opposition forces in Libya and forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi in its third month (on April 17th), the rebels have begun to take steps to govern and administer the areas under their control. VOA’s Scott Bobb spoke to opinion leaders in the opposition-controlled city of Benghazi and has this report (audio report at link - 4:12).

...


Council Spokesman Mustafa Gheriani says there is a lot of work to do.


"We are building a country from scratch and it’s testimony that we are doing great job that the entire east part of the country is functioning better than ever before and better than the areas that Colonel Gadhafi is ruling," said Gheriani.


...


The Council acts as an interim legislature and oversees a Crisis Management Team that administers opposition-held areas. A member of its political advisory committee, Professor Zahi Mogherbi, says a panel of experts eventually will draft a new constitution.

"We have very good chance of transforming our country into a really democratic, constitutional and civil society with all the ingredients for branches of government that rule according to the law and its people with all the rights, political, civil, are guaranteed," said Mogherbi.

An Egyptian expert on Libya, Zaki Akl of Cairo’s Al-Ahram Center for Strategic Studies, says the interim council so far appears to be fulfilling these goals.


"There is a feel of a social democracy-kind of a state that is evolving inside Libya. If you look at the plans of the National Transitional Council, they are very different from the Jamahiriya system that Gadhafi invented," he said. "And the Council itself has evolved on the basis of those who were, yes, members of Gadhafi’s regime yet were very much in conflict with the procedure by which Libya was administrated."



Concern over extremists


...



"Right now the only consensus that I can see and agree with, that we are not willing and we don’t want to live under any kind of dictatorial regime under any guise, be it Islamic or liberal or Communist," he said.

...


"I’m quite optimistic in Libya’s future," said Gheriani. "And I think Libya can be a modern state, part of this world. And it can be used as the example in the Third World of democracy and how democracy can benefit the people of Libya."


...


http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Libyan-Opposition-Seeks-to-Build-Self-Styled-Government-120061779.html









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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:22 PM
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65. @IbnOmar2005: Friend in tripoli went out to protest with ~700 guys...he swears only 20 came home
@IbnOmar2005: Friend in #tripoli went out to protest with ~700 guys from his area he swears only 20 of them came home. Mass killing and arrests

People seem to have the need to characterize this as a civil war, to make it about which group, or which tribe, will rule. They want to argue points of Marxist theory, of imperialism, of oil, of the last war, of Libyan history, or African and Mideastern conflict, or Nato, or neocons and AQ, anything, anything but the bloody obvious, stated clearly here in this simple tweet. It's a war against dissent, any dissent.

In February the shots rang out before the first protest had reached the end of the street. And although rank amateurs have taken up the battle, and battles do matter, let's not forget that the core of the fight, the leading edge, is in the simple act of standing next to your neighbor with a placard and walking to the end of the street. That's the single most dangerous thing you can do now in Libya.

Small wonder the guerrilla warriors in Tripoli are the spray-can graffiti artists.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 03:37 PM
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66. Thanks to all who help with updates and kicks
I think we make a pretty good team--for a bunch of ragtag rebels. :)


:grouphug:






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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 04:04 PM
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68. I do think so.
If I were to wander in off of the internet street, it wouldn't take long to see that this is the best collection of Libya related info in clickable space.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:06 PM
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77. It's a fantastic record of this fight for freedom in Libya -- !!!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 04:00 PM
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67. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 11 PM MONDAY, APRIL 18
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 04:11 PM
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69. Libya: UN will only request military support for aid mission 'as last resort'

Source: The Guardian





Ban Ki-moon calls for ceasefire and increased aid to Misrata, but UN officials express caution over EU and Nato assistance


Ed Pilkington in New York, Ian Black, Middle East editor, and Ian Traynor in Brussels
guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 April 2011 20.30 BST



The United Nations has signed an agreement with Libya for a "humanitarian presence" in the country but it is still unclear how this will help the besieged western city of Misrata, the focus of mounting international concern.


Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, repeated demands on Monday for an immediate ceasefire and the need to boost assistance to Misrata. "The Libyan government said that it would ensure unimpeded access through the Tunisian border into Libya up to Tripoli and said it would ensure safe passage for humanitarian workers to enter areas where the government of Libya is in control," Ban said during a visit to Budapest.


But officials in New York made clear that the EU – which has drawn up plans to deploy military forces on the ground in Libya to assist the humanitarian effort – would only be asked to help "as a last resort". Nato, enforcing the UN no-fly zone and attacking Gaddafi regime military targets, repeated that it would not get directly involved in supplying aid.

...


Officials in Brussels said the EU has drawn up a "concept of operations" for the deployment of military forces in Libya, but needs UN approval for what would be the riskiest and most controversial mission it has undertaken. The forces, numbering no more than 1,000, would be deployed to secure the delivery of aid supplies, and would not be engaged in a combat role but would be authorised to fight if they or their humanitarian wards were threatened. "It would be to secure sea and land corridors inside the country," said an EU official.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/18/libya-misrata-un-aid-mission








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 04:21 PM
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70. Gaddafi's Misrata offensive: 'They are killing so many'

Source: The Guardian





Refugees escaping Libyan army's onslaught report snipers and relentless heavy artillery bombardment


Xan Rice in Benghazi
guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 April 2011 21.47 BST



One was old and frail, dignified in his traditional cap and white scarf. The other was just a boy, barely in his teens. Both were weeping as they arrived in the relative safety of Benghazi after a 33-hour journey from Misrata, the city that has been under siege from Muammar Gaddafi's forces for weeks.


"You cannot imagine the situation there," said Omar Abdurahman Gseibat, 76, hugging his son and grandson. "The rockets were so heavy."


The boy, Mosbah, struggled for words, exhausted.


"They were killing so many people. Even the water, they cut it off. There is little food."



The boat, which had a heavy machine gun mounted in front, arrived in the rebel stronghold Benghazi at dusk on Monday night. It was carrying more than 100 people. Anxious families shouted "God is Great" as it docked, and several volley of gunfire crackled in the air. Several passengers were in dire need of medical attention, others had been injured in Misrata, including a woman in her 50s, and were rushed immediately to hospital in waiting ambulances.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/18/misrata-refugees-libya-benghazi-assault








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 04:41 PM
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72. Gaddafi will retake Misrata in days without Nato help, say rebels

Source: The Guardian





Rebel spokesman says there have been no Nato air strikes on government forces around the besieged town for three days


Harriet Sherwood in Tripoli and Xan Rice in Benghazi
guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 April 2011 18.07 BST




Forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi could retake Misrata within days unless Nato steps up its military intervention to assist the besieged rebels, according to an opposition spokesman inside the shell-battered city.


"It will be over in a few days, honest to God," said Mohamed, who asked for his full name to be withheld. The rebel fighters and civilians of the city were like "rats in a cage, that is to put it mildly", he said.



Nato's mandate was to protect civilians, "but every day there are scores of people dying. The human suffering goes on and on."


Mohamed, speaking from Misrata on Skype, claimed there had been no Nato air strikes on government positions, which are surrounding the city on three sides, for three days. "We are being hit by mortars, Grads, Katyushas, you name it – and there is no action."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/18/gaddafi-misrata-nato-rebels








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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:09 PM
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78. What the hell is NATO doing -- ?? Superpowers taken down by Gaddafi?
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 04:57 PM
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73. U.S. defends role in Libya

Source: CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

•"We have no plans to change our posture," says the White House spokesman

•Jay Carney says a two-day "dramatic increase" in NATO sorties shows capability

•A State Department official says the NATO-led mission has protected civilians





By Laurie Ure, CNN National Security Producer


April 18, 2011 -- Updated 2125 GMT (0525 HKT)



Washington (CNN) -- U.S officials defended America's role in the NATO-led mission in Libya Monday, amid criticism that Washington is not doing enough as the coalition struggles.


White House spokesman Jay Carney downplayed reports that NATO is running out of munitions to fight the war.


Carney told reporters that "a dramatic increase" in NATO sorties Sunday and Monday "demonstrates the capacity of NATO to fulfill its mission" in securing a no-fly zone over Libya.


"We have no plans to change our posture," he said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/04/18/libya.role/








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:01 PM
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75. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:01 AM TUESDAY, APRIL 19
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:32 PM
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80. Al Jazeera has photos of new rebel fatigues and body armor received from Qatar:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:38 PM
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81. feb17.info latest
11:28pm: Some 11,000 Libyans have fled a remote and mountainous western region, where government forces are fighting rebels, and crossed into Tunisia over the last week, Tunisia’s state TAP news agency reported on Monday. It said 3,000 people, including women and children, had arrived in the last two days alone at the southern Tunisian border town of Dehiba, fleeing “intense bombing” that had destroyed many houses.

The violence in the Western Mountains region, a sparsely populated area, has received little of the international attention given to attacks on cities on the coast such as Misrata and Ajdabiyah. The region — which includes the towns of Nalut, Kalaa, Yafran and Zintan — is populated by Berbers, a group ethnically distinct from most Libyans and traditionally viewed with suspicion by Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

11:09pm: The EU has outlined a provisional plan that could see European troops sent to the besieged Libyan city of Misrata to protect aid deliveries if requested by the United Nations, EU officials said on Monday. The 27 EU states agreed at the start of this month it would be willing to launch such a mission if the U.N. asked for it, but the world body has yet to make such a request.

“The 27 have now adopted unanimously the concept of the operations,” a spokesman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said, adding that the plan was agreed on Thursday. ”But it’s not a detailed plan of action — it’s just the next step and we would only get to the stage of any detail if and when there is a request from the U.N,” Michael Mann said

10:28pm: A live caller from Misrata tells Feb17Voices that they need limited ground intervention, but they are not asking for an army….just qualified troops to guide strikes and confirm areas are free of civilians:


10:05pm: NATO air strikes destroyed the main telecommunications tower in the city of Sirte on Monday, Libyan state news agency Jana said. Citing an engineer in the city 450 km (281 miles) east of the capital Tripoli, Jana said “the bombardment of the colonial and crusader aggressors” also hit two other telecommunications stations there early in the morning. ”The three stations provide telephone services for residents across Libya. The stations also provide communications networks for the fire brigades, rescue services and hospitals,” it said.

http://feb17.info/news/live-libyan-unrest-17-people-killed-yesterday-in-misrata-including-an-ngo-worker-and-an-opposition-activist/
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:41 PM
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82. Nafousa Mountain Libyans living in fear
Edited on Mon Apr-18-11 05:42 PM by tabatha
Diana Eltahawy is a researcher for Amnesty International. Currently she is in the quiet Tunisian border town of Dhehiba, which has seen an influx of refugees from Libya’s Western Mountains region. The largest refugee camp houses 1,207 people, mainly women and children. They come from places such as Nalout, Ifrin, Zentan, Kikla and Jadu. In late February, during the start of the uprising, this region declared its support for the oppositon Benghazi and they too came out in numbers to demonstrate against the regime. As a consequence, they have been under continuous siege by Gaddafi’s forces.

DhehibaPeople at the camp told us that they decided to flee their homes after Colonel al-Gaddafi’s forces intensified their shelling of the area in early April, though many had been already displaced from their homes in the Nafousa Mountain area and had been moving from one town to try and escape the attacks and fighting. Women whom we interviewed had been especially fearful at the prospect of their towns and villages being invaded by forces loyal to Colonel al-Gaddafi because, they said, they had heard about threats of rape and abduction.

Families told Amnesty International that many local residents had disappeared and are believed to be held by Colonel al-Gaddafi’s forces. Victims particularly included people who had ventured outside the opposition strongholds in a search for petrol or basic necessities, both unavailable in the cities under siege. Since, there has been no news of the fate or whereabouts of many of them; others, however, have been shown on Libyan state television “confessing” to having been pressured to act against Libya’s “best interests”.

We met the relatives of several such victims of enforced disappearance but in all cases they insisted that we do not publicize their names for fear that this will place them in greater jeopardy and also put at risk other family members still in the Nafousa Mountain area.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:46 PM
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83. Mercenaries from all over the African continent enter Libya
Edited on Mon Apr-18-11 05:56 PM by tabatha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxNUuYb4QL8

Fuck --- that is all I can say. Does the coalition know this?
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:52 PM
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85. Shouldn't we of the left be cheering events like this?
Aren't the puppets of the big oil companies being smashed?
Isn't petro-imperialism being given a black eye?
And isn't the UNSC being shown for what it is -- a tool of Israel and the United States?

And now the indigenous peoples of the third world -- Chadians, Mauritanians, etc, side by side with their Libyan brothers -- are fighting back against an EU/NATO neo-colonial invasion.

Or is every thing I learned in the 60's and 70's wrong?

But that's impossible.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:56 PM
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88. Your interpretation is wrong.
Egypt was the example the Libyans followed; unfortunately Gaddafi is not Mubarak.

All the other gobbledy-gook about oil is just that - gobbledy-gook.

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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:31 PM
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98. No, no...
...events are wrong. My theory is right. It's worked for forty years!
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:14 PM
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103. Clue: When in doubt, stick with the guys who have the best music.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:50 PM
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84. Broken Road (Support for Libya)
http://youtu.be/mab1WfJGepo

All Brothers and Sisters of the Human Race Unite
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:53 PM
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86. Libya crisis: Misrata poses 'cruel dilemma'
18 April 2011 Last updated at 17:07 ET
The international community faces a "cruel dilemma" in its efforts to help civilians in the Libyan city of Misrata, according to the co-founder of Medecins Sans Frontieres.

Speaking to the BBC, Bernard Kouchner, said that he believed it necessary to have foreign forces on the ground in Libya in order to provide humanitarian assistance.

Mr Kouchner, a former French foreign minister, called on the UK and France not to stand back and "betray" people in the city, which is under siege by forces loyal to Libyan leader Col Gaddafi.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13124135
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 05:54 PM
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87. Faux News, WND reporting Libyan Dep. Amb. to U.N., colleague on 'hit list' after denouncing Gaddafi



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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:01 PM
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90. Tweets re: Nafousa mountains
@ChangeInLibya: Doctors in Nalut (Nafousa mountains city near Zintan) confirm that Gaddafi is using cluster munitions there 2, many casualties today

4Adam: most recent at the top
# #Zintan: NATO attacked Gaddafi's forces North this morning. then continued at 2pm 5pm and 7pm. The smoke still rising. #Nafusa #Libya vor 8 Minuten via Seesmic Desktop

# News from #Nafusa Mt. abt 110 martyrs in the past 48 hrs from the rebels b/c of indiscriminate shelling of civilians and G invasion. #Libya vor ungefähr 1 Stunde via Seesmic Desktop

# 4/18/11Gaddafi's tanks, rockets launchers 4x4 vehicles with anticraft gunmachines in the center of #Yefren #Libya http://twitpic.com/4mj74m vor ungefähr 2 Stunden via Seesmic Desktop

# FreeLibyaTV: 22,000 Libyan #refugees in Tataouine town, South #Tunisia. #Libya vor ungefähr 2 Stunden via Seesmic Desktop

# CONFIRMED: #Yefren now is under control of Gaddafi's tanks. #Libya vor ungefähr 2 Stunden via Seesmic Desktop

#Yefren: now a thick smoke in the area of Romyera 7km S. Yefren where Gaddafi battalions tanks are. vor ungefähr 5 Stunden via Seesmic Desktop

# #Nafusa #Qalaa #Yefren: Aljazeera CH: Gadhafi's forces harm the sheep and cut trees to hide their vehicles. Run out of food, medicine #Libya vor ungefähr 7 Stunden via Seesmic Desktop

# #Nafusa: #Arrajaban west #Zintan: a number of Gaddafi's soldiers surrendered to the rebels after NATO attacks vor ungefähr 7 Stunden via web

# #Ġaryān: Shban Battalions' become a large detention center for Nafusa Mt youths. Released tell horrific stories of systematic torture #Libya vor ungefähr 7 Stunden via Seesmic Desktop

# The besieged #Yefren and #Qalaa have been under heavy attacks since early morning until now. Gaddafi farces cutting trees 2 hide their tanks vor ungefähr 7 Stunden via Seesmic Desktop
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:06 PM
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91. Petition: To remove international recognition of Gaddafi's regime as the representative of the Libya
Free Citizens of the World,

The aim of this petition is to show the Governments that form the United Nations, the support of the free citizens of the world for the Libyan people’s demand

a) To remove international recognition of Gaddafi's regime as the representative of the Libya

b) To recognise the Interim Transitional National Council as the true and sole representative of Libya.

Muammar Gaddafi's regime has lost its legitimacy in the eyes of ordinary Libyans as a result of countless internationally recognised crimes against the people of Libya. The regime, using disproportionate violence and inhumane methods against civilians and peaceful protests, has attempted to suppress the Libyan people's legitimate demands for freedom, democracy, justice and a better quality of life.


http://www.change.org/petitions/libya-support-the-call-to-remove-international-legitimacy-from-gaddafis-regime
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:18 PM
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94. Signing the heck out of that
Thanks for the link.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:08 PM
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92. ShababLibya tweets
# No Gaddafi forces for up to 40km West Ajdabiya. NATO also said to have striked Gaddafi forces in the Brega area via AJ #Libya #Feb17 5 minutes ago via web

# @JTSkyNews DM 15 minutes ago via web

# NATO air strikes destroyed the main telecommunications tower in the city of Sirte on Monday, Libyan state news #Libya #Feb17 about 1 hour ago via web

# http://bit.ly/fDbmyw How to donate for Libya #Libya #Feb17 #gaddaficrimes about 5 hours ago via web

# 6number6 @ShababLibya Each day, Q gets weaker as tanks, Grads, and APC's hit. Soon comes tipping point where army feels outnumbered and dissolves. about 5 hours ago via web in reply to ShababLibya Retweeted by ShababLibya

http://twitter.com/ShababLibya
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:13 PM
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93. "Rebel rap" in Libya
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:22 PM
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95. AJA: rebels from Ajdabiya report many casualties among #Gaddafi's forces today. #Libya

AJA: rebels from Ajdabiya report many casualties among #Gaddafi's forces today. #Libya
about 37 minutes ago






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:32 PM
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99. FreeLibyanArmy - one of their first missions
Edited on Mon Apr-18-11 06:35 PM by tabatha
ChangeInLibya Halwasa Guy BREAKING: Also reports that the FreeLibyanArmy in #Nalut defeated a large Gaddafi mercenary brigade, in one of the army's first missions

Update

ChangeInLibya‎ BREAKING: Just confirmed tht OUR REVOLUTIONARIES have taken all the equipment left by mercenaries north of Zintan as they fled #libya

brit_newsman‎ RT @Gheblawi: #Libya #TNC to #UN Shalgam stressed when meeting #UK FM Hague last week that #Gaddafi is committing an ethnic cleansing in #Nafusa
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:31 PM
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97. Fleeing Misrata by boat, Libyans tell horror stories

Source: Reuters





Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:45pm GMT


• Misrata residents say no one is safe

• Rebels with few weapons but lots of spirit

• Mosques not spared



By Michael Georgy

...


Just before they disembarked from a ferry that took them on a 17-hour journey from Misrata, Libyans in bandages predicted the country's third-largest city would be completely annihilated if Western powers did not step in to end Gaddafi's 41-year rule.

...


Looking dazed, people sat in chairs in bandages as a rebel carried around part of the artillery shell that killed his two friends.


"I had just left our house when this shell hit the building. I watched two friends die. Gaddafi is just firing everywhere," said the rebel, Alaa al Atrach, who just turned 20 and plans to return to Misrata soon to fight despite tough odds.

...


The dark green shell in his hand, with a wire sticking out of it, was the kind that may have sprayed shrapnel into the face of Muhammed Muftah, a nine-year-old boy who sat quietly gesturing with his hand to let his father know he was thirsty because talking is too painful.


"He was just playing in our courtyard. He is just a child," said the boy's father. His neighbour, sitting behind him, stood up and kissed the boy on the head to comfort him, wincing in pain because he too was wounded by what he said was a Gaddafi sniper's bullet to the leg.

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http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFSGE73H02E20110418?sp=true








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:13 PM
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101. Libya Rebels Learned in a Hurry

Source: Wall Street Journal





APRIL 18, 2011, 7:35 P.M. ET


Libya Rebels Learned in a Hurry


In Misrata, Outgunned Residents Fight Cagey Battle Against Gadhafi's Forces



By CHARLES LEVINSON


MISRATA, Libya—Before he joined the uprising against Col. Moammar Gadhafi in February, Fawzi Mohammed was a successful furniture salesman who owned three stores here.

...


"At first we took a lot of losses, but then we started to learn," said the 40-year-old, and gestured to the Russian-made FN rifle slung over his shoulder. "Two months ago I couldn't have told you what kind of gun this was."


Rebels here in Misrata are outmatched by artillery barrages, tanks, cluster bombs and other heavy armaments. Like Mr. Mohammed, many appear to have taken up arms for the first time over the past two months. But they have fended off Col. Gadhafi's forces for more than 50 days in the western city, Libya's third-largest and one of its most fiercely contested.


To compensate for inadequate arms and manpower, the rebels are relying on their intimate knowledge of the city—fighting mostly in neighborhood militias on the streets in which they grew up, and alongside trusted friends and relatives.

...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704821704576271381973282532.html?mod=googlenews_wsj








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:17 PM
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105. "This is our land, our city, our streets"


In the cramped city streets, rebel fighters have swarmed Col. Gadhafi's tanks and armor. They have defeated tank columns with rocket-propelled grenades, homemade Molotov cocktails and small bombs. "This is our land, our city, our streets," said Mr. Mohammed.







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:14 PM
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102. Gaddafi forces fire on civilians - NATO Libya chief
Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:28pm GMT
OTTAWA, April 18 (Reuters) - The head of NATO's military operations in Libya on Monday accused forces loyal to leader Muammar Gaddafi of hiding in hospitals and firing on civilians from the roofs of mosques in the rebel-held city of Misrata.

Misrata, Libya's third largest city, has been under siege for seven weeks by Gaddafi's military, during which hundreds of civilians are thought to have been killed, and evacuees say conditions are becoming increasingly desperate.

"The regime's forces have used snipers on top of mosques, they are hiding beside hospitals, they have got their armored vehicles in schools and, in fact, they have even taken their uniforms off," Lieutenant-General Charles Bouchard told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

Bouchard, a Canadian, called the tactics used by Gaddafi's forces as "underhanded" and "immoral" and said he was concerned about the humanitarian situation in Misrata.

"There is some suffering, but I can assure you of one thing: the suffering would have been much much greater if we (NATO) were not there ... the deaths would be in the thousands."

(Reporting by David Ljunggren; Editing by Paul Simao)

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFN1824275520110418
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:15 PM
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104. WRAPUP 1-West wants military, aid action to end Libya crisis
Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:20pm GMT

NATO bombing has damaged Gaddafi's armour but not enough to break the stalemate, and the alliance may have no choice but to use naval gunfire or helicopters, analysts said -- the latter vulnerable to ground fire by Gaddafi's troops.

"There's more risks using helicopters as they are easier to shoot down, and it's a serious problem if you have casualties or people captured," said Daniel Keohane of the EU Institute for Security Studies think tank.

The U.S., British and French leaders said last week they would not stop military action until Gaddafi quit.

"They've boxed themselves in by describing victory as Gaddafi leaving," said Keohane. "I don't think there's any way they can walk away now. There's a political imperative to carry on."

While NATO looked for a more effective way of attacking Gaddafi's forces despite limited resources, UN humanitarian chief Valerie Amos said on Monday in Benghazi she was extremely worried about the plight of civilians in Misrata.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73H23D20110418?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:49 PM
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109. Say hello to another 10-year war.
Don't they ever learn?
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:41 PM
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107. Misrata: "If he takes the port, it's over"


Col. Gadhafi's forces occupied most of Tripoli Street for nearly a month, but rebel fighters have since beaten them back. The street is now littered with the burnt shells of government tanks and armored vehicles. The once-bustling shopping street is a river of rubble and bombed-out storefronts.

When Col. Gadhafi's forces pulled back, they left small pockets of troops behind who are now functioning as sniper teams that rebel forces are struggling to eliminate.

From the south, the government forces have homed in on Al-Thaqil Road, a long, straight thoroughfare that leads to the city's port, the entry point for food, supplies, and weapons rebels need to sustain their battle and the lives of around half a million residents.

"If he takes the port, it's over," said Khaled Misrati, 38, a schoolteacher in a group of about 50 fighters defending their Al Jazeera district on the city's western edge.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704821704576271381973282532.html?mod=googlenews_wsj







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mariposalily Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:14 PM
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113. information source

I find this thread such a great information source for people who simply want to know what is going on on the ground in Libya. I'm so appreciative at the way you all put so much time and energy into finding good sources of information.
I find it very unfortunate that there are those who simply want to make sarcastic and argumentative comments. I would really appreciate it if they would do it elsewhere - if they must - and not waste you guys' time (and all of our time). This thread is not a battleground. we are earnest in gathering facts.

thanks to all of you are keep it going.:boring:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:31 PM
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115. Thanks.
Although it is a bit of an emotional roller coaster, the news "aggregators" try to be professional.

It is beyond my comprehension that anyone would support the brutal Gaddafi.

(Btw, mariposa lilies are a favorite)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 09:48 PM
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118. Welcome to DU, mariposalily!
I think these threads can be a useful source of information to anyone interested in what is happening in Libya, whatever his or her views on the issues may be.


:hi:






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TheCanadianLiberal Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 07:58 PM
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110. I still think Gaddafi will come out the winner.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 08:12 PM
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111. Day 61 here:
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