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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:22 AM Original message |
Anti-Sex Trade Turns to Focus on Men Who Buy Sex and "John Schools" |
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P. Galore (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. Users of marijuana are arrested, so this would be the same. Johns have had it too easy for too long |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I agree. n/t |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. True |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. So you think posession should be legal but not being a john? |
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P. Galore (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Yes. nt |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. put their names and faces on the front page of newspapers. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
170. +1 -- on both issues! |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. The violence and drug abuse comes about largely because it is illegal |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. you are wrong. the countries that have legalized prostitution have found an increase in criminal |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Could you provide links, please? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. google... does legalized prostitution work |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. The author didn't list any sources |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. this is precisely why i dont waste my time.... nt |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I was going to say! |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I did research it |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
125. You can of course provide valid, peer-reviewed sources which emphatically conclude |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #125 |
139. Why should I have to provide evidence? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Asking you to support your claims is a waste of time? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. The link you provide does not suggest what you say it does. NT |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Beating up prostitutes |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Criminal activity tends to cluster together |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. if it is illegal cops already have the means to get in there with crime. if legal |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. If legal cops will get mor cooperation from the prostitutes |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Beating up prostitutes would be illegal regardless of whether prostitution is legalized. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. It is weird, the assumption |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. People have lots of crazy assumptions. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Absolutely |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. When you start working as a prostitute.. |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
72. I have... |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. But I wasn't asking you, was I? |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
110. Apparently the concept of "public forum" |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I'd like to hear your story. |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. I'm used to it |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. No questions. Interesting read. |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Oh god you poor thing |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. In some ways, I lucked out. |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. LOL my job had better hours |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. And you made better money. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #113 |
200. Well, there are many questions -- we have males becoming addicted to internet porn, for one ... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #200 |
206. You view on porn is distorted. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. Apparently, the concept of "reading the post" |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. The fact that you referred to it as |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Yes I do have more comments, dear |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Nope, no downgrade |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Yeah, right.. |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:19 AM Response to Reply #130 |
136. Buh-bye |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Buh-bye |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #124 |
208. How about this. You are being a condescending jackass. You |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
202. You asked for someone that had worked the role. When you got |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 06:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
76. Actually, I can do that right now. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:01 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Are you working as a prostitute? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Are you? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Actually, that wasn't the question at all. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #56 |
102. When you become a Grand Wizard of the KKK... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
195. And I'm sure those prostitutes are as well protected by law enforcement ... |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Do you have "dog in this game", as it were?....If not, simply re-read post. #9. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I do not have a 'dog in this game' |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Deleted message |
whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Sorry, honey....but I wouldn't call anything 2000 years old "relatively recent" either. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Ah good, so we have deteremined that your understanding of history |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Um..No. While I appreciate your entirely obvious efforts at appearing "worldly", |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 06:46 AM Response to Reply #52 |
77. All that living and you've learned so darned little. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:38 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. When the entirety of a life's learning can be evaluated by one's opinion on the single issue |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #80 |
92. The bulk of what you've said on this issue has been entirely unfactual. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #92 |
104. Don't get your panties in a bunch, dear...I've said nothing others here haven't already said |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Still won't even attempt to explain the logic of this for me? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
84. Indeed, apparently you've lived an entire life |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
100. Is that one of those statements that's not intended to be factually accurate? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
194. Yes -- and the slave trade is just providing a wider arena for kidnapping and |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. 'Johns' need to have harsher fines, imho. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
13. 'an abusive marriage led her to...' |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Good post |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Yes, and in fact she probably ASKED that John to beat her up! |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. the article says the marriage, not the person, was responsible. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Um..I think you're inferring just a tad too much from that one sentence |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Possessed a college degree and 17 years of experience working in a corporate job |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Not really my argument....I believe.It was taken up to avoid the obvious. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Male prostitutes should be as responsible for themselves as female prostitutes, yes. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. I see...In an environment of illegality, You think male CLIENTS should be off the hook. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Not at all - hiring is a crime and solicitation is a crime - both should be prosecuted |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
196. No -- she said an "abusive" marriage -- |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to a prostitute. |
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P. Galore (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Brilliant!!!! |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #49 |
94. lol, yeah, right? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
197. Exactly -- thank you!! |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
33. This is like blaming undoc workers because US companies hire them. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:17 AM Response to Reply #33 |
79. You are backward. The pimps and johns are the employers. The prostitutes are the undoc workers.(nt) |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. OK so arrest all the people that by fruit and vegetables and buy poultry products. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Hmm. if buyers know that the folks that picked them were illegal, then that is a good solution. (nt) |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
109. So if a john is unaware that their prostitute is a slave, then they should not be held liable, |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. I say allow sex workers to organize |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. sweden changed and the other european countries are looking to sweden because it doesnt work. nt |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Is It Really Working in Sweden? |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Your two paragraphs... |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. The Same Way That Making Porn for Adults Legal Lead to The Marginalization of Child Porn |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
198. And now the porn industry has approval to use younger and younger "looking" |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. You don't seem to realize |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. And is that more or less common as a result of legalizing it? |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Do your research and find out... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
82. I have done my research |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. That's Because the Industry Is Illegal |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Evidence suggests otherwise.. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Does That Argue Against Legalization Or Better Regulation? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. 70% Rise in German Sex Trafficking Due to Legal Prostitution? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. From Your Own Research |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Legal Prostitution in Australia a "Failure" |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Again, Legalization Makes It Easier for Authorities to Identfy Trafficking |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
129. So causation doesn't come into this for you? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #129 |
145. How Does Making Prostitution Illegal Prevent Trafficking? |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. Legalization removes virtually all the risk to the traffickers |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. If What You Are Saying Is True |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. Your argument runs counter to human decency |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #154 |
159. "legalization of prostitution removes virtually all the risk of serious criminal prosecution"??? |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #159 |
166. why don't you finish the quote "to the traffickers" |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. I honestly believe the only thing that most men here are willing to "argue" |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. In the "Research" That Has Been Presented, It Actually Argues for Legalization |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 06:00 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. The "Research" presented here does NOT argue for it. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #74 |
85. I Did Read It, and I Even Cited It |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #68 |
87. Men shouldn't have options? |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:41 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Who said that? |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. You said it... |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I didn't say it or imply it.. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Why not have the option? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. so we are all whores? |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Pretty much... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. no wonder you have to buy it. calling all women whores, how many progressive men |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. All humans are whores on some level |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. live in the gutter. not everyone chooses that life. nt |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #98 |
140. Maybe someday you will meet a woman who won't require payment for having sex with you. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #140 |
147. Shaming language galore |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. Now you're being silly. I have no objection to legalizing prostitution |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #96 |
105. As I said, I'm not going over it again....Rationalize to your hearts content. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
167. Advocacy isn't a dirty word. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
199. Patriarchy sends them to war and death -- but as long as they are not females, they're happy!!! |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. If you did research, you would see that the sex for sale environment |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. If you did research, you'd find that your single "example" is highly untypical |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
201. Thank you -- think we have a long way to go with these discussions and understanding it all -- |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
73. No, it isn't working in Sweden |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. I agree |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
114. +1. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
127. The only problem with that (aside from horrifying social values) is... |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
42. We have serious problems, yet we beat this dead horse |
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P. Galore (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. Prostitution keeps a lot of human trafficking going. It's not 'victimless'. nt |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I go with the decriminalization or legalization advocates. |
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P. Galore (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I see your point, but it is not just society's laws that make victims of prostitutes. nt |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #61 |
89. Agreed: Decriminalize, tax and protect is the best solution. (nt) |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
132. Traffiking works because of supply and demand |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #132 |
144. "The number of uncoerced participants in the sex trade is extremely small" |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #144 |
152. Poverty, abuse, addiction and organized crime are all coercive elements |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #152 |
162. Again, That Abstract DEFENDS my Point |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #162 |
172. So women being coerced into prostitution is A-OK if prostitution is legal... got it. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. Are Women Coerced into Porn? |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #176 |
181. Indeed many are, let me tell you about the "family business" |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. You Have Problems. Get Help. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #183 |
185. Indeed, the APA just added fostering an aversion to sexual exploitation to DSM-IV |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
203. What are you saying? That sex trafficking isn't a serious problem ... |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
57. I have never understood |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #86 |
108. Um, you might want to re-think the "stupid bastids" bit, at least until |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
106. I say restore prostitutes to their rightful place... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #106 |
115. +1 |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #106 |
138. Right, because it's great that women who were sexually abused as children choose this profession! |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #138 |
146. 90%? Is this a factual statement... |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #146 |
157. Shaming language? LOL |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #157 |
164. I glorify what I wish... |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #164 |
187. Providing a more vital service? LOL |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #187 |
204. Males are encouraged to devalue relationships -- except with a magazine photo -- or internet video!! |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #138 |
149. Do you think there ought to be jail time |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #149 |
158. What? |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #158 |
165. That didn't answer my questions n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #149 |
205. All abuse scars the human being -- and sometimes even the brain -- |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
112. This may be simplistic but..... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #112 |
128. Prosecutors and the IRS treat prostitution as a money laundering business. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. I agree. The sexual morality of prostitution is less important than slavery |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. i have been reading this repeatedly on this thread. let me tell you about the 18 yr old girl i had |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. I realize it is not cut and dried |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. point |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #135 |
141. Aren't You Confusing Legalization with Lax Regulation |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #141 |
142. if demand is much higher than supply, that demand will be met. nt |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #142 |
143. That Still Doesn't Mean That it Should Be Illegal |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #143 |
156. Do you really want to talk about the porn industry? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #156 |
160. So, when your arguments fall apart |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #160 |
174. You have presented no argument that suggests any further exposure to the subject than reality TV |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #141 |
155. So your going to "regulate" MS13 and the Triads? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #155 |
161. So Again, How Has The Current Prohibition on Prostitution Stopped MS13 and the Triads? |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #161 |
171. You are under the impression their is no sex trafficking in Nevada? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Nice Trick. Not All of Nevada Has Legal Prostitution |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #171 |
178. So, You Also Must Be Against The Legalization of Marijuana As Well |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. How many people are brutalized for the want of marijuana? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. "How many people are brutalized for the want of marijuana?" See Response |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. Interesting, except the Mexicans are waring over the cocaine and meth trade |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #135 |
150. The problem isn't legalization creating demand |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #135 |
173. I agree with you. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #173 |
192. You're comparing "commercial fishing" with prostitution?!!! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. Of course not. The only dead person that matters is a woman. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #193 |
207. Presumably, you mean just the opposite -- |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #207 |
212. No need to point out the obvious. Of course you presume that. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. Are you saying you didn't mean it as anything but a positive statement? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #215 |
216. I'm saying that my intent is irrelevant. You'll never see good faith. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Patriarchy rules -- and you're pointing to the disadvantages of it for males? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
116. Legalize and regulate, like most of the civilized world. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
163. Prohibitionists Still Foolishly Believe That Using The Criminal Justice System Can Solve Social Ills |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. people are very blind to their own biases and when we are strongly |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #163 |
179. There's another element here |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #179 |
210. Men are always told by those pushing porn/prostitutes that these women are different -- !! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #163 |
209. You're mixing up the issues here -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
169. Sex trade and addictions to internet porn -- industries which come with rise of the right ... |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #169 |
177. Porn and the Sex Trade Have Existed Since the Dawn of Man |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #177 |
186. Well, let's just lie back and enjoy it then --- ???? |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. well it's not like their real living people or anything... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Unfortunately, as Demi Moore made clear there has been very little exposure of this sexual slavery - |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #189 |
191. I think it is simpler than that, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #191 |
211. If you want "simple" then you have to go back to my earlier post ... |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. I don't think many around here are acting out of misogyny |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. Agree -- but that's not what I'm saying ... how many DU males are part of patriarchy? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
190. America is as prudish as it is obsessed over sex |
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