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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:14 PM
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McDonalds assault victim speaks out.
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 08:19 PM by TheBigotBasher
http://lezgetreal.com/2011/04/mcdonalds-attack-victim-speaks-out/

Thankfully she has suffered no major physical harm but now fears going out.

This is a disgraceful homophobic attack and makes it even worse is this is being used by racists to stir up even more hate. Hate is the issue here. We do not need more hate, bigotry needs to be stamped out and rejected.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:38 PM
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1. kick
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:47 PM
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:59 PM
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3. Young woman n/t
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:59 PM
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4. What?
This "young man" is a woman.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:04 PM
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7. Surprised to see a comment like this on DU
but explain where my friend, who was once Matt and is now Jodiee goes.

Here is the transition video Jodiee made

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZUygf5kZuc
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:11 PM
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10. Great video! I might be prejudiced, but I like her as a blonde better.
;)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:11 PM
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:14 PM
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13. wow
You've got quite a problem. I hope some day you can overcome it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:16 PM
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:19 PM
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18. Overcome your prejudice
Is that specific enough?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:23 PM
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:26 PM
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31. Uh, a preference for one person doesn't cancel out a prejudice against another
You are prejudiced against people who have had sexual reassignment surgery.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:31 PM
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:33 PM
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37. I'm a born woman, claim no sexual preference, and I don't give a damn who's shitting
next to me.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:46 PM
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:35 PM
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38. So, a person who becomes a woman through sexual reassignment surgery isn't a woman in your eyes?
Honey, you got issues. Good luck with your whatever.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:49 PM
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:17 PM
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16. Jay Z. Us. Use the Google--and btw, are you really that concerned about who's taking a dump next to
you?

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Evolve_Already Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:21 PM
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20. Yes I am
Thanks for the question.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:22 PM
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22. Why? don't you have better things to do there? nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:26 PM
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:27 PM
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32. You actually think about that in a frigging restroom?
:wow:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:28 PM
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34. Probably the most ironic username I've ever seen on this, or any, board. nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:43 PM
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71. Thanks mod for the TS
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:12 PM
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83. I miss all the fun....
is it bad that I wish I could see those deleted messages?....kinda like driving by a car wreck
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 03:08 PM
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80. Oh please
get over yourself

There were a few times that "us girls" used the mens room in bars, cause the line for the ladies room was too long.

Get in, do your business and get out.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:23 PM
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25. Why?
They do not watch you? Have you ever been to a club with mixed restrooms/toilets?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:24 PM
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27. What if the person next to you is a born female Lesbian?
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 09:27 PM by blogslut
Would that rattle your cage too?

While not all transwomen are attracted to men, many are and the ones that are couldn't care less about ogling your lady parts.

EDIT ADD: Not to imply that lesbians ogle women in the bathroom.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:42 PM
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58. Ogling in the women's restroom is tough, at least ogling
any private parts unless someone put their head under the stall divider to look over. That would be offensive no matter what gender
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:01 PM
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63. Good point n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:05 PM
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8. Woman. nt
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:05 PM
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9. ugh
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:12 PM
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:18 PM
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17. Womens restroom toilets are stalled off
Just the same, only the most immature, prejudiced woman would have a problem with a transwoman entering her precious "space".
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:19 PM
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19. No, she is not male. she has female parts just like the ones I have.
And I'm in the mood for back bacon and pineapple, light on the cheese.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:23 PM
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23. Let's add some anchovies just for kicks.
This thread's infested. Blech.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:24 PM
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26. Grrrrrrrrrrrrross
Pineapple and pizza should be eaten separately, or not at all

:o

:hi:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:25 PM
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28. Okay, back bacom on the pizza, I'll add my own pineapple.
a little variety is a good thing once in a while, though!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:27 PM
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33. .
:puke:
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:32 PM
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36. Sad reflection...at least you got that part right. n/t
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:36 PM
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39. To use a rather male referenced reply to that
bollocks.

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:45 PM
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44. That picture might just be making fun of the trans-specied.
You never know... maybe that troll is a soccer-mom at heart. (Sorry, couldn't help it, but the 'skin deep' point is there.)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:36 PM
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40. Delete.
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 09:37 PM by The Doctor.
Ooops, wrong reply.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:38 PM
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41. Human sexuality is WAY more complicated than 'penis/no penis'.
If you manage to hang around, you might start to understand the intricacies of human sexual psychology.

I'm sure it'd be easier to not learn, but you'll have the opportunity if you stick it out. (And by that I mean stay around on DU...)

Welcome.

:hi:
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 12:00 AM
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72. The anger that caused the attack had NOTHING to do with her using the restroom.
The victim explains in the video that she was accused of talking to one of the girl's "man", then spat on. The victim's sexual orientation is being exploited as an "excuse" for the attack.

I would have no negative reaction whatsoever of using a stall next to a transgender or a lesbian. ALL women generally want to just do their business & get out.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:25 PM
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29. I'm not sure how someone is 'born a man'. That labor would totally suck.

I get that you're fuzzy on the TG thing. See... some people are wired up as women, despite male hormones and genitalia. Sexual identity doesn't entirely have to do with whether one has a penis or not, it has to do with a million other factors. Sexual identity is far more complex than 'male/female'. It's not black and white at all.

In this case, someone is in every way a woman except physically- which is actually the smallest part of sexual identity.

The people that believe a penis is the be-all and end-all of sexual identity are failing to grasp a universe of realization. Stick around, and some things might just dawn on you.

Welcome to DU.

:hi:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 02:27 AM
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76. Maybe one day a socia.ly acceptable answer to "Is it a boy or a girl?"
--will be "We don't know. We'll have to wait until s/he is old enough to talk so we can ask."
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 02:59 PM
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79. Like the line from 'The Meaning of Life';
The mother has just given birth, and as they are whisking the baby away she asks if it's a boy or a girl. The doctor says it's a little early to start imposing gender roles on the child.
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:52 PM
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50. What?!
Is this your first day here - not DU, I mean Earth - ?!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:02 PM
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5. How did the attacker know the victim's gender history?
Did these people know each other?
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Recovered Repug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:19 PM
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57. According to the victim, one of the attackers was upset that
she (the victim) was "talking to her man".
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:44 PM
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59. Source? I've read most of the reports and the police report and not seen that. nt
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:49 PM
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62. That is from the interview with the victim herself.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:11 PM
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64. I've got a YT link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWt8zf8JJOA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The victim had been approached by a male on her way to the restroom. When she came out of the restroom, one of the girls approached her, spit in her face & asked her why she was talking to her man. The victim said they were looking for a fight.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:45 AM
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77. saw that in the vid and it makes it seem like this was not related to
anything that happened in the bathroom and possibly not related to transgender prejudice. They picked a fight with her, allegedly over "her man".
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:00 PM
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82. Exactly! It had to do with jealousy & lack of character.
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Recovered Repug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:34 PM
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67. Link in the OP. nt
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:38 PM
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69. My iPhone isn't flash-compatible; I can only view the YT & QT videos. :(
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:46 PM
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61. Well most people would be able to guess
simply by looking at the face.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:03 PM
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6. The victim said race may have been a reason for the
attack, according to this article:

"Polis believes race may have been a factor in her attack."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-beating-20110423,0,3336656.story

I believe it had a lot to do with gender, but either way what those attackers did was a hate crime.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:15 PM
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14. Police are looking at that as well. Would make the whole thing even more ugly if true. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:21 PM
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21. why would it be more ugly? I hope I'm misunderstanding you.
Ugly is ugly.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:41 PM
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42. Unisex bathrooms!
Single stall!

Would solve a whole lot of issues...

On this topic my daughter is 16, last year at her high school she reported that some "guys" were using the women's bathrooms.

Initially I thought Ok, geez WTH?

Turns out they are afraid to use the men's restrooms, now maybe they are transgendered (I have no idea nor does she)She and her friends really were not all that up in arms about it, just wanted to know why "guys" were using their bathroom.

Real simple solution..scatter unisex bathrooms, like they do handicapped equipped single stall units around...and everyone is happy (and with that said I am not trying to disparage the handicapped, or transgendered people, because I know someone will jump on this as me insulting one of the two, or both)

Frankly the whole multiple stall thing is kind of unseemly anyways, esp for kids--JMO
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:44 PM
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43. I've been to a lot of clubs
and bars with unisex bathrooms. Some even had urinals in them. They never caused issues. Women (and shy men) use cubicles so what is the problem?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:51 PM
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48. All this paranoia about who'd peeing in the next stall seems really bizarre to me.
Quite frankly, the "concern" is creepy--who's next door I couldn't care less about. I just want to get in and get out. :shrug:
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:01 PM
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54. I agree completely!
I have to be desperate to even use a public bathroom.

I think my comments are being misconstrued...I don't want anyone to be afraid to make a choice about which public restroom to use--who needs that bullshit?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:29 PM
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66. Really! In ladies' restrooms no one pays attention to anyone else -- we just want to
get our business done & get out asap.

It seemed odd that the emphasis was put on the victim's sexual orientation, but I see now that this was put out there as an attempt to somehow justify the attack.

The reason for the attack was jealousy -- the victim had been approached by one of the girl's "man" before the victim walked into the restroom. The girl spit in the victim's face, the victim didn't understand where the anger was coming from since she didn't know the male (he might have been the one who told the victim on her way to the restroom that she needed to buy something first), then came the physical attack.

It's further disgusting that she's being further victimized by having her sexual orientation used as a deflection from their deplorable action.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:15 PM
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84. No what is more disgusting is that racists are now using this as a tool
to spread their bigotry. There was already enough hate in this incident, the right does not need to add more.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:51 PM
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49. Clubs have a little more of a modern vibe
I am talking about public places that are not clubs... stores, schools, gov buildings, joe blow fast food joint--that kind of thing. Clubs IMO would be sort of a different dynamic.

I am only looking for the protection/comfort of all.

A private unisex bathroom should be an option...not the ONLY option but an option JMO
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:41 PM
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70. There is something to be said for decorum and modesty
What a topic.

"What do we want?!"

"Unisex bathrooms!!"

"When do we want it?!"

"NOW!!"
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horsehead Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:49 PM
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47. Ugh...
As someone who is both trans (FtM) and gay, these kinds of incidents... and especially the reactions here in this thread... are depressing and disgusting.
These are the things that make it that much harder to get out of bed in the morning.

Anyway, I'm glad she came out of it relatively unharmed.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:55 PM
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51. Welcome to DU--most of us are well-informed and supportive, regardless of what you see in this icky
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 09:57 PM by blondeatlast
thread. Speaking for myself, I have much better things to do than give a moment's thought to who's doing their business next door. I'm sorry that you and your brethren and sistren have to even deal with that kind of bizarre paranoia.

:toast:

Edit: Still getting used to copying and pasting in Firefox.
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horsehead Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:00 PM
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53. Thank you. n/t
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:35 PM
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68. We do have trolls who are so fascinated with us & DU's state-of-the-art format
that they hang out long enough to want to chime in & reveal their ugliness.

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 12:25 AM
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74. Most people here are pretty okay. Tombstoned newcomer aside.
My partner of 8 years is FtM and a lot of LGBT folks have been educating on trans issues here for a long time now. Welcome ! :hi:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:24 AM
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78. Welcome to the DU and thanks for posting.
Like it has been said ~~ don't take some of the comments on this thread as the real flavor of the DU. Most of us are totally supportive of all "gender" issues ~~ from gay marriage to sexual reassignment. All people have rights...PERIOD.

:hi:
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 03:24 PM
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81. welcome to DU
DU has taught me over and over that being a Democrat does not mean that someone is kind or gentle or even very smart. It's been a sad realization. There are some great folks here though!

Welcome! :hi: :hug:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:00 PM
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52. A-HA! Back bacon and pineapple it is! So there! nt
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:04 PM
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55. Something like this
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:18 PM
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56. I hope they find the lady in the white dress

I thought our country was better than this. Civil rights has a long way to go still.

K&R!

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:46 PM
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60. K&R. (nt)
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:28 PM
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65. she wants to meet the lady who tried to help her to thank her
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 12:03 AM
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73. Very sad. nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 12:55 AM
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75. Very happy that she is healing and appears to be in good health
The kick to the back of her head/neck is what got me sobbing when I saw the video. Hope she has good medical follow up, what she went through was quite traumatic.

I'm so tired of hate.
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