Am I the only one who's worried that the Democrats could pass...

[Scuba]

Am I the only one who's worried that the Democrats could pass the Senate version Paul Ryan's budget?

Am I the only one who thinks all the Republicans and most of the Democrats holding Federal Offices are corrupt?


If Harry Reid holds a vote, and we're betrayed. It could be over.






Maybe I'm just paranoid.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Look what the Dems in Congress gave us for a health care bill.

Yeah, be afraid.

[emulatorloo]

4. Bad analogy and you know it. Even Joe Liebermann is not stupid enough to kill medicare.

[Buzz Clik]

6. It is not an analogy at all.

It is a straight up fact and perfect parallel.

[emulatorloo]

26. First it presumes everything in the health care law is bad

Secondly you know all about the propaganda campaign launched by the Republicans and the healthcare conglomerates to misrepresent and lie and turn polling against the "government takeover of health care"

Thirdly medicare is a solid long established program that works and people like it. While American Crossroads will try to poison the well on this issue, it is going to be very difficult to do - even teabaggers are against cutting medicare and social security as a means of deficit reduction.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

38. Yeah, people like Medicare, but it could use improvement

As I understand it, the govt can't negotiate the price of drugs, they have to accept the price dictated by the pharmaceutical company.

Now, if someone wants to save Medicare money by pursuing cases of fraud, I might be in favor of that. Depending on how badly the government pursues innocent people, old people who don't know better (like me), or immigrants. If you believe the press, there's a lot of straight-up theft going on. Dunno.

:hi:

[DJ13]

9. Why would it matter to Joe now, he's already announced he's retiring

[Vincardog]

2. Even the DLC is not stupid enough to eliminate Medicare in an election year

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. What would the rusult be, then?

If betrayed equally be Republicans and Democrats, would that really change the dynamic of the election, so long as a progressive party is not in the mix?

Sure, protecting Medicare would be a winner for Dems, but what are Dems going to do if the Dems DON'T protect it - vote Republican?

It would be the logical ending to the DLC's "where are the progressives going to go?" strategy. And the DLCers are just delusional enough to try it.

[Vincardog]

19. Then it may be time to water the tree of liberty

[Aerows]

21. I think that would be an issue

that would start the watering. Something is going to give, sooner or later.

[Vincardog]

24. May be that is behind the sales of guns and shortages of ammo

[Aerows]

25. LOL! n/t

[SolutionisSolidarity]

27. The job of the DLC is to destroy the Democratic Party. This is a perfect chance for that.

Of course, their membership may be too comfy in their elected positions to go along with it, but rest assured. Killing Medicare is the type of thing that the DLC was created to do.

[bvar22]

28. What are you going to do?

Vote for a Republican?
Hahahahahaha!

[bobbolink]

37. "Think of the Supreme Court!" Think of the (unborn) children!"

:grr:

[emulatorloo]

3. Dem caucus is pretty much united on this. Reid wants to get the Republican Senators on record

for favoring killing medicare.

[tridim]

5. Obama would obviously veto it.

But it wont pass the Senate either.

I don't even think the Repukes will vote for it.

[tritsofme]

33. Budget resolutions don't even go to the president.

It's passage, which won't happen, would be mostly symbolic.

[Aerows]

7. God I hope not

I honestly don't think they are stupid enough to do it, though.

[cliffordu]

8. The R's will have McCain or Leiberclown filibuster the fucking thing

They are not stupid enough to be put on the record like the House R's were....

They can all watch MSNBC and see the old voters taking the House Weasels to task for killing medicare.

This thing IS the third rail of politics and it will go down, but they WILL try again.....

[TheKentuckian]

10. The Republicans don't actually care about passing the Ryan scam.

It is just their part to play in the theater to frame Catfood as moderate, serious, pragmatic, and a compromise.

Ryan should be scoffed at as plain old goofy nonsense with continued fire against the Catfood/Gang of Six happy horse shit.

Ryan is a goal, not a serious intent at this time. What we really need is an equally ideological liberal proposal to frame the People's Budget correctly and make it the firewall.

[Scuba]

12. Ah yes, the People's Budget. Why doesn't Reid have a vote on that....

...alternative?

The Peoples Budget


http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70

http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20 ...


This needs to be pushed as the path to the 2012 elections and future of America. Not perfect, but such a striking contrast with the Ryan disaster will be easy to explain to the public.


Here's Rachel's coverage last week... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel ... /


Here's the Progressive Caucus website.... http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. Because the House did not send that budget to the Senate

[Scuba]

22. OK, due process details aside....

....I'd still rather have the Senate vote on the Progressive Caucus plan.

[Freddie Stubbs]

23. It was a joke. A majority of Democrats in the House rejected it:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll274.xml

[TheKentuckian]

29. No, that makes the majority of Democrats in the House a joke.

We are talking a very moderate, workable, and more effective in reducing the deficit (the falsely stated goal) than anything else out there.

What is it about "Pragmatist" that they don't give a flying fuck if a proposal is workable or beneficial?

[socialist_n_TN]

17. Yep. I agree. This is a stalking horse to pull the

debate about all this shit to the right where, as you said, the catfood commission looks like the "middle ground". Since the People's Budget isn't even being DISCUSSED in Congress, there's no REAL left alternative. Although as far as I'm concerned the People's Budget is only moderate, not really left.

For YEARS, the RW has been framing their radical positions as "moderate". It's just more of that bullshit.

[TheKentuckian]

36. Thats what I'm sayin. We need a leftist budget to frame the very moderate people's budget.

[pinkkillersheep]

11. No to both, but...

They won't pass the Ryan budget. It doesn't make political sense. It truly is a defining piece of legislation for how each party views the role of government. To pass it would be to fundamentally change the philosophy of the Democratic Party.

Now do I think many (maybe even most) Democrats in federal office are corrupt? Yes. To think otherwise is entirely naive. Almost all of them become lobbyists eventually.

[randr]

13. Reid would not call for a vote if he knew it would pass

I hope he gathers up his cajones and forces the kochroaches to take a stand that may, ultimately, bring them defeat at the pols.

[GoCubsGo]

16. Yep. He knows it won't pass.

And, he said he will take it up for a vote, and forcing the Kochroaches to take a stand on it is exactly why he is doing.

[mitchtv]

15. you don.t have to worry

there is no chance of passing, although the blue dogs will do ther best to destroy any cohesion the Dems might fashion.They are against us and will attempt to derail real Dems.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. I'm right there with you.

[Javaman]

30. Frankly, I expect them to...

My cynical bliss gets me through the night.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Care to be specific? Which Democrats do you think would

vote for it? I mean, you must have thought this through, right? So which ones, how many?

[southernyankeebelle]

32. Reid is forcing the republicans in the senate to vote. The dems are going to vote yes. He wants

republicans on the record for when they go home. It will never be signed by the president. Have faith.

[Marr]

34. Don't worry- Obama would surely veto it.

I hear he's practically a socialist. :sarcasm:

[tritsofme]

35. Budget resolutions are only a framework. They are non-binding and do not even to go the president.

It won't pass the Senate, but even if it did, it wouldn't mean much.

Privatizing Medicare and making all those changes to the tax code would require separate authorizing legislation ect. that would never pass in a 60 vote environment.