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What we need to do -- but no politician will -- is tell folks that everyone but those at the lowest

income levels need to get ready for tax increases.

The current plan to increase the Capital Gains tax will raise about $12 Billion a year. That's less than two days of the CBO's currently projected deficit. Before CV19, it was roughly 4 days worth.

Point is, if we want healthcare, childcare, jobs, housing, education, deficit reduction, climate, infrastructure, bolstering Social Security and Medicare, etc., it's going to take taxing a lot of things more than we have been.

Increasing the current 2 cent tax on stock transactions to $1.02 per transaction would raise roughly $80 Billion a year. That with the $12 Billion above will cover less than 20 days of the deficit. Maybe a month under the preCV19 projected deficit.


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Where the $80 Billion came from by increasing transaction tax:

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/congress-wants-to-tax-stock-trades-investors-shouldnt-fret/

The Mayor of Atlanta has already started preparing to educate Georgia voters.

If you sit down and read the new law, there are plenty of ways to counteract GOPer efforts at suppression.

(1) If you are voting by mail get your ballot early. Use the four weeks of early voting.

(2) Don’t give up because you don’t have a driver’s license or state ID. You can enter last 4-digits of your SSN. [That last bit was added by Democrats because GOPers tried to require copies of state IDs to be mailed with applications and ballots. If the SSM had not been added, that would have been catastrophic.]

(3) Call/write your county election board and encourage them to provide water, take your own as a backup. Even GOPers get thirsty.

(4) Make sure you go to the right precinct.

There is one part of the legislation that could really cause chit to fly -- the part about removing local election boards -- but even it is limited in GOPers' ability to steal an election. I am worried about that part, but this summary made me feel a bit better --

". . . . . . .In Chatham, the five-person elections board, four of whom are elected, acts as the superintendent. If, after a performance review, the majority of the State Elections Board votes that the county elections officials demonstrated "nonfeasance, malfeasance, or gross negligence," then they can appoint a replacement superintendent.

"But this provision has limits. It can only be done in four counties at a time. Plus, it would be impossible to put an appointee into place during or immediately following an election, since the preliminary hearing required beforehand must be at least 30 days after the request to investigate. [The certification deadline for Georgia counties is even shorter now: six days after the election, down from the previous 10-day deadline. It's 17 days after the election for the state certification.]"

https://www.savannahnow.com/story/news/2021/04/07/georgia-new-election-law-republicans-overturn-results-senate-bill-202/7092460002/

Chatham County went 58.6% for Biden.


I know it's not popular, but I think we'll survive Georgia's new legislation even if the Courts don't act. It's not that hard and I hope we don’t discourage voters by making it sound like their votes won't count.








Actually, the new law does have some provisions that if a precinct has wait time of more than 1 hour

it has to do something to shorten those lines by the next election. Doesn't do anything for current election, but does for future election.

Here is some language from law.

If, at the previous general election, a precinct contained more than 2,000 electors and
722 if electors desiring to vote on the day of the election had to wait in line for more than one
723 hour before checking in to vote, the superintendent shall either reduce the size of such
724 precinct so that it shall contain not more than 2,000 electors in accordance with the
725 procedures prescribed by this chapter for the division, alteration, and consolidation of
726 precincts no later than 60 days before the next general election or provide additional voting
727 equipment or poll workers, or both, before the next general election. For administering this
728 Code section, the chief manager of a precinct which contained more than 2,000 electors at
729 the previous general election shall submit a report thereof to the superintendent of the
730 reported time from entering the line to checking in to vote. Such wait time shall be
731 measured no fewer than three different times throughout the day (in the morning, at
732 midday, and prior to the close of polls) and such results shall be recorded on a form provided by the Secretary of State. Any such change in the boundaries of a precinct shall
734 conform with the requirements of subsection (a) of Code Section 21-2-261.1."
. . . . . .



It would really help if people read this legislation.

https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121


Worth noting that in 2020, the wait times on November 3 were not that long -- mainly because so many voted by mail and during early voting.


Fortunately, I think both Stacy Abrams and Atlanta Mayor Bottoms have read the law and realize that the sooner we quit fretting and start getting info out to voters, we can beat these GOPers again.

The worst thing the law does is perpetuate trump's lies about the election was stolen. The second worst aspect is that the state COULD take some actions after an election to help folks like trump in the future, but they could have done that after Nov 3rd. I remain confident they won't get away with that. With all that said, would love to see the law struck down by Courts, but not counting on that.

That "line warming" part of the legislation is not a big deal. It's some of the other aspects that

can be abused. Plus, the legislation perpetuates the lie that trump won.

As far as "line warming," lines were pretty short in most precincts in Georgia in November, mostly because so many voted by mail or during the 4 weeks of early voting.

The polls themselves can offer water. People can bring their own water. If I don't vote by mail, I'll carry a few extra bottles for folks. Stands can be set up within 150 feet of the actual polls. And I think Democrats ought to throw a big party on the exit side of the polls, which is also not prohibited. Again, the polling place can offer water, which is what I plan on encouraging our county to do.

The "line-warming" portion of the law is really about soliciting votes by offering money, food, water, etc. That was arguably part of the previous law, just not as specific and mean-spirited. Point is, I doubt I'll be arrested for taking grandma a bottle of water if the polling place doesn't provide it, the lines are extremely long, etc.

The real problem with Georgia's law is that GOPers started out proposing ending no-excuse absentee voting, things like requiring absentee voters to send in photo copies of ID, etc. The final legislation, does not require a copy of anything, you just have to enter your driver's license number, State ID number, OR the last 4 digits of your Social Security Number. That I don't find a burden as long as local Democratic organizations do their job of educating voters.

The bit about shortening the time to order an absentee ballot is also not really an issue. Even though the old law allowed you to request an absentee ballot 180 days before the election, the ballots weren't issued until about 40 days before the election. So, 75 days is plenty of time. Again, local Democratic organizations will have to help get the word out.

I am concerned about the GOPer majority legislature having more control. That can definitely be abused. But the other side to that is that as long as a GOPer holds the Sec of State Office, they had pretty good control and opportunity for abuse. After the 2018 election, when Stacy Abrams got beaten by KKKemp (who was SoS), we would have supported legislation to remove the SoS from direct control over elections.

The real thing that worries me is that GOPers showed their hand with the early proposals to do away with no-excuse absentee voting, etc. If they continue to lose key elections, they'll be back with more next year.

For me personally, I find the putting drop boxes inside polling places criminal. I have used the drop box outside my county election office for years. I can go anytime, I don't have to park, etc. Just drive up and drop it in. That really is an unnecessary hassle. I do agree that drop boxes need to be secure, but drop boxes should make it easy. I am hopeful counties will find a way to make drop boxes easily assessible.

I think Stacy Abrams was right last week when she encouraged people not to boycott yet. I hope she runs for governor next time around. That would really make a big difference in Georgia.

There are many ways around the GA law. Interestingly, I had a post hidden

last night because I posted what the law about water is aimed at (soliciting votes) and how easy it is to work around. Alerter thought I was posting right wing “talking points” or something.

I don’t know whether we are just defeating ourselves or want to criticize GOPers so much — which I get — that we no longer care about truth.

The GA law was mean spirited and the original versions were flat out racist, but not insurmountable with local Democratic offices, Stacey Abrams, etc. Democrats are not as stupid and helpless as people seem to think. We’ve proven that often.

Probably should have said "top 25%," but here are sources. I know some of these tend GOPer, but

it's difficult to discuss tax policy when people don't believe the facts. And, No, I do not support reducing taxes for higher incomes. I do support a robust Estate Tax system, increase in Capital Gains tax rates and corporate rates, etc.




Other sources (I know this chart won't come out right in the little white box, but you can look it up):

Income Category 2017 AGI Percent of All Income Percent of Income Taxes Paid
Top 1% Over $515,371 21.0% 38.5%
Top 5% Over $208,053 36.5% 59.1%
Top 10% Over $145,135 47.7% 70.1%
Top 25%Over $83,682 69.1% 86.1%
Top 50% Over $41,740 88.8% 96.9%
Bottom 50% Below $41,740 11.3% 3.1%
Source: Internal Revenue Service data

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/taxes/t054-c000-s001-how-you-rank-as-a-taxpayer.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-americans-will-pay-87-of-income-tax-1523007001

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-of-the-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2020-update/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-14/top-3-of-u-s-taxpayers-paid-majority-of-income-taxes-in-2016



Question is if they are going to arm up and drive to Washington. I doubt it. There are still Dems

who believe trump did not win in 2016 or the election was stolen.

In fact there were protests after he was elected, charges of Russian changing votes, etc.


Does this sound/look familiar?




https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html


"Anti-Trump protests, some violent, erupt for 3rd night nationwide"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/11/anti-trump-protesters-pepper-sprayed-demonstrations-erupt-across-us/93633154/



‘Not Our President’: Protests Spread After Donald Trump’s Election"

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/trump-election-protests.html


Tens of Thousands Protest Trump Election Victory, 124 Arrested. Protests erupted in major cities from coast to coast.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/thousands-us-protest-president-elect-donald-trump/story?id=43427653





Personally, I believe the 2016 protests were justified and weren't as violent, but I guess it depends on what side you are on.

Back in the 80s I worked at a hospital that had the tube system and this big chain system that would

send supply carts flying all over the hospital.

When I went to interview there, they showed me that system, it was super impressive like going to a carnival. Came to find out, that they only turned it on for "dignitaries" (which I was not one, just a graduate student looking for a job), the media, donors, etc., because it just didn't work very well. Cracked me up, but taught me not to believe anyone putting on a show.

I think the kept the tube system, though.

Here's the relevant section of Ga Law that has been in place for years.

O.C.G.A. § 21-2-217

(b) In determining a voter's qualification to register and vote, the registrars to whom such application is made shall consider, in addition to the applicant's expressed intent, any relevant circumstances determining the applicant's residence. The registrars taking such registration may consider the applicant's financial independence, business pursuits, employment, income sources, residence for income tax purposes, age, marital status, residence of parents, spouse, and children, if any, leaseholds, sites of personal and real property owned by the applicant, motor vehicle and other personal property registration, and other such factors that the registrars may reasonably deem necessary to determine the qualification of an applicant to vote in a primary or election. The decision of the registrars to whom such application is made shall be presumptive evidence of a person's residence for voting purposes.


And even if they are denied above, which likely won't happen unless someone moves to the state just to vote, as some GOPers and people right here have suggested, the article in this thread also says that-- "If the registrar cannot determine whether the applicant properly resides in Georgia, the rule directs them to process the application but mark it as “challenged,” and to initiate a hearing."
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