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Thanks. I've been ruminating on this concept for a while...

the big divide, though it is manifest in red/blue, is really about urban/rural. It dates back to the earliest days of the founders and is codified in the Constitution.

The Constitution and the Senate rules are written to protect the minority. Not the minority defined by race, that's a different problem, the minority defined by wealth and class. We're not a true democracy and right now, minority rule by oligarchs is looming on the horizon, again, like it was in the post Civil War era through the 'Golden Age' up until FDR in the 1030's.

Crazy times.

Trump's base is shrinking to just the rural areas...

This is the urban/rural divide being played out in real time. Rubes in the hinterland know nothing about how cities operate and will be just fine with Trump "taking control" of them. Most of our problems with gun control is that what is being passed works fine in rural areas, while in places where people are more concentrated, unfettered gun ownership becomes more and more problematic.

Our hope lies in the suburbs, and whether or not they feel the threat Trump is putting out there with his "take over the cities" movement.

You can bet your sweet ass that the rubes would be up in arms (literally) if this (the Portland BS) was happening in small town America.

Keep up the fight. I want 35 blue states. I want 400 EC votes.

A comment about viruses and evolution and sciency shit...

The thing is that the more cases of virus that are out there and the wider the spread, the more chances the virus has to mutate. That's basic evolution. The more individual organisms, the more chances there are to mutate.

We all know that viruses mutate. That's basic biology. If we had successfully blunted the spread of the virus, if there were fewer cases out there, there would have been fewer chances for the recent news of a new, more virulent strain to happen. Experts are saying that the newer strain doesn't appear to be more lethal, which is good news. But as we approach and pass 3 million cases, and the number of cases continues to increase past 20,000 per day, we also increase the potential for more lethal and damaging versions of the virus to emerge.

Sometimes we like to think we're better, as human beings, than the herds of wildebeasts on the savannah trying to breed faster offspring to outrun lions and hyenas, but often as not we aren't. We have evolved superior brains in order to circumvent these types of brute force 'herd immunity' solutions to our problems. It's a pity that our leaders, in too many cases, are choosing not to use them.

Science allows us the chance to not leave solutions to these problems up to "God." Generally speaking, God's solutions tend to be brutal and nasty, with lots and lots of casualties. I'll take science, thank you very much.
Posted by Wounded Bear | Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:35 AM (0 replies)

Trump's current problem-and there ain't really a fix for him...

is that he can't live without his screaming WWE-like crowds. The thing is, the only places he can go that will allow the crowds he craves are in the middle of Covid hotspots. Maybe his true diehard syncophants will go, but will the 'softer' support he drew in 2016 really show up at one of his super-spreader rallies to cheer him on while he pats himself on the back and demonstrates the physical capabilities of a 3 year old being weaned from his sippy cup?

Tulsa kind of showed what Trump is up against. Even his own die hard fans don't want to take that kind of risk just to stroke Trump's ego. Plus, with the economy in the tank-sorry, Wall Street doesn't really matter any more-who has the money to travel. Even his groupies are probably feeling the crunch of 6-8 weeks off, watching Trump bungle the Covid response so badly. How many are really ready to spend next month's food budget on a road trip to suck up to Trump?



Unnecessary advice to Biden, just keep up the class act, focus on real issues and more photo-ops talking and listening to people in the streets, something Trump will not do. Sure, send off a harsh Tweet at Trump when warranted, but keep it low key otherwise. We got this.

In the good old days, both R's and D's had some diversity in them...

While there was definitely a "leaning" left or right of the parties, there were once liberal R's and conservative D's in America.

Both parties also had moderates, who could actually vote across party lines based on a range of issues, both economic and social.

Since Nixon, and especially Reagan, the Repub party has been systematically radicalizing, purging their ranks of liberals and even moderates. We like to point at the Tea Party bullshit of the Obama Era as some kind of turning point, but in reality it was just an intensifying of an ongoing trend. Citing economic motives while spewing racist hatred is a conservative tradition nowadays. I mean, Reagan made his candidacy announcement in the Mississippi town where KKK assholes were lionized for killing civil rights workers.

Repubs have been trying for decades to decouple Wall Street from Main Street, and they have finally seemed to have succeeded. Trump's economy has favored the wealthy and the executive class, just like Repubs love to do, while job and wage growth have been stagnant for workers.

Unfortunately, while there are no moderate R's left, there are plenty of conservadems, at least economically. Some Repub pols like to talk a moderate game, but still tend to vote the party line.

Courage, and who has it...

Back in 2009, Dems enacted the ACA with no Repub help or support. Many of them paid by losing their seat. Now, I have always felt that they screwed themselves when they refused to really support what they did in the 2010 elections. But it is what is is. They did the right thing, regardless of personal risk.

This is another moment that requires courage. Yeah, they're afraid of losing their jobs, but we're seeing them line up to push the investigations and further an impeachment movement that might just bear fruit.

Repubs are in counterattack mode, and it will get brutal TBS, but we're seeing people lining up to do the right thing, again.



We are certainly not immune to fascism...

Some advantages we have/had over 1920s Germany:

We are older and have stronger and more well established institutions in place. The Weimar Republic was very new. Germany had a legislative body that had been in place since establishment in the 1870's. But the Kaiser still had significant real political power until the end of WWI. The Wermacht also had immense power and supported Hitler and the Nazis as RW power brokers. Germany also had the prototypical modern Military Industrial Complex.

Repubs have been eroding the institutions supporting our democracy for decades, as you have noticed. They deride it as the Deep State. The thing is, that deep state might be the only thing that can save us. How's that for irony?

I have no faith in Christianity. We do hear reports of more liberal minded Christians being on our side, but the more vocal ones are the authoritarians. With the exception of the Soviets, RW authoritarian regimes love their religions. The sheep look to the church for guidance and political leaders exploit that.

I personally know of no instance in history where a nation overcomes deep fascism from within and returns to real democracy. Fascist Spain survived until Franco died. His brand of fascism was perhaps slightly less brutal than Hitler, but not much. Generally, those countries have to be rescued from without. So we'd be looking at a Red Dawn scenario, I guess.

I still have hope, but it is fading.

Trump and the Repubs WANT Dems to act emotionally and rashly...

That inflates their base. They can say that we're just a reflection of their hate for all things Dems. The could use the old "they're just like us" and discourage more of the both-siders out there from going out and voting.

People misunderstand the meaning of the "turn the other cheek" lesson of Bible fame. Certainly, Trump has never done that. But the bigger lesson is to not react the way they want us to react. It is not about ignoring transgressions, it is about controlling one's own actions. The important thing to do is to react smartly, to not just stoop to their level and respond with violence. That is what they want. It would justify their actions. Bullies always want their victims to react violently. They know that they will win more often than not if you engage them on their turf.

We need to "turn the other cheek" to Trump and overcome him with the full and righteous force of law and legislative power. That would be the biggest defeat of his sad, sick, bloated life, that he could not manipulate the legal system to his advantage.

Will we win? I certainly hope so, but I don't want to "win" by turning into a leftist version of the Trumplodytes. That would be a loss.

The number that I remember was 30%...

...in that about 1/3 of the population was for the revolution, about 1/3 was decidedly against it, and the other 1/3 were basically don't care, leave me the hell alone types.

The current 3 way split is not new in any sense. It's always been there. What has changed is that the 1/3 who just want to be left alone no longer have the frontier to flee to. The polarization we see, really isn't a 50/50 split and never has been. That narrative sells more papers and generates more clicks.

As for the citizenship test? The number of non recent immigrants who could pass it is pathetically small. It should be a requirement to get a High School diploma that students pass that. It's a pretty easy test for anyone who didn't sleep through American history.

The fact is that immigrants are usually the most patriotic in a truer sense because they chose to come here and work to become citizens. Far too many who were born here are infected with the malaise about it all you describe. What we end up with are political rallies that are about as substantive as local High School pep rallies before this weekend's game.

No. I don't want to become them...

Several states have rather fairly determined districts. In my home state, WA, the 9 congressional districts are pretty reasonable. Just looking at the map, you can see how the uban/rural split works out. The district boundaries don't wander around like a snake pit.

The re-draw in Pennsylvania looks pretty reasonable, too.

It can be done. You can't totally eliminate gerrymandering, maybe, but you can mitigate it if you try. In WA, they have a 3-position panel that outlines the districts, 1 Dem, 1 Repub, and 1 judge (who is hopefully non-partisan).

Turning the Dem party into a bastardized "anti-Repub" party just furthers the evil. We need representation of the people. Even Dems should have to go out and present their platform and policies and get them elected in the court of public opinion.
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