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sabrina 1

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20. For most people who respect the laws of this country it is about what has been revealed. As citizens
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:11 PM
Dec 2013

people have a right to know what their government is up to, how their tax dollars are being spent. Whistle Blowers should be protected in a democracy. Clearly this government has an awful to hide or they would not be persecuting Whistle Blowers like Manning, especially since most of her revelations concerned crimes committed by the Bush gang. What should have happened with those revelations and with Snowden's is a thorough investigation into what was revealed.

One thing they have not been accused of is lying. When crimes are reported the normal thing to do is to investigate them to see if someone needs to be charged or at least FIRED.

When that doesn't happen but instead, the messengers are the ones being persecuted, it definitely raises concerns as to what the Government is trying to hide.

If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear from Whistle Blowers. The way to not have to worry about being exposed is to abide by the laws.

Perfect! 99Forever Dec 2013 #1
Exactly...what hypocrites billhicks76 Dec 2013 #98
Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #2
Despite your intention, your message isn't exactly far removed from the truth. Scuba Dec 2013 #4
Hey, that system will be GREAT when Bush the Third needs... Pholus Dec 2013 #7
Keep trolling Sid hootinholler Dec 2013 #16
I smile every time he posts it. His point is actually prophetic riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #17
At some point, the lines of irony and the lines of truth will converge. NBachers Dec 2013 #88
Posted in honour of the return of banned troll USGovtOwesus3Trillion... SidDithers Dec 2013 #19
And he's a Snowden supporter? nt AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #26
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #27
awesome detective work, Sid. Whisp Dec 2013 #38
Yes, he is actually. Thanks for the acknowledgement. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #18
I agree with you. truedelphi Dec 2013 #49
Does tyhis mean you finally see the light, Sid? Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #23
You've seen the light! LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #35
Federal Judge Writes Epic Smackdown Of 'Likely Unconstitutional' NSA Phone Record Collection Hissyspit Dec 2013 #59
Well Said! SpcMnky Dec 2013 #77
Brilliant malaise Dec 2013 #3
A tip of the hat to ya. mother earth Dec 2013 #5
Thanks... KansDem Dec 2013 #6
Spot on. jsr Dec 2013 #8
Covers it. toby jo Dec 2013 #9
Apparently not all. I thought it was funny. n/t ieoeja Dec 2013 #10
k and r niyad Dec 2013 #11
K & R L0oniX Dec 2013 #12
You too easily confuse 'supporters/haters' with those who see things differently. randome Dec 2013 #13
For most people who respect the laws of this country it is about what has been revealed. As citizens sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #20
Snowden never reported a crime. He stole as much as he could and ran off to Russia. randome Dec 2013 #22
If had done it anonymously you would be accusing him of being a coward, which I saw people doing sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #24
He exposed crimes. In general, people wait for the government to determine when a crime has been GoneFishin Dec 2013 #30
Exactly LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #33
They've resorted to trashing the Constitution now. I remember when Bush supporters did sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #62
bush said... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #83
I'd be more inclined to believe more of what Snowden is saying if Whisp Dec 2013 #40
Can you point out what is incorrect in the documents he has released? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #63
+1 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Yavapai Dec 2013 #39
Good points. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #42
Good points? Not really: Hissyspit Dec 2013 #58
'3000 times' means 3000 names. randome Dec 2013 #70
Jeez. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #73
That doesn't refute the Information Age. randome Dec 2013 #76
Most of the world would say he IS a hero. grasswire Dec 2013 #52
HERE: Hissyspit Dec 2013 #57
In my view, he did report a crime, to the top US officials known as "We The People", along with grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #89
Well said zeemike Dec 2013 #78
They're too busy trying to use the RW tactic of unfairly painting Snowden skeptics as fascist thugs baldguy Dec 2013 #36
Or painting Snowden supporters as Libertarians, Rand Paul or Klayman supporters neverforget Dec 2013 #79
When someone is on the side of the facts, they never have to worry about looking foolish. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #80
Sad but damn true. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #95
Really? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #60
I think I can tell the difference. Open minded people would react to the revelations by Snowden rhett o rick Dec 2013 #64
Ha! K&R nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #14
Funny cartoon. iandhr Dec 2013 #15
Obama's critics don't understand nuance. Never have. baldguy Dec 2013 #37
Yeah, ever since Ichan's attempted takeover neffernin Dec 2013 #45
"Obama's critics?" This can only ever be about President Obama? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #55
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #65
Call me back when people stop using the substance-less "you just hate Obama" talking points. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #67
Like the "Obama is no different (or worse) than Bush was" talikng point? baldguy Dec 2013 #69
So this can't ever be about anything but Obama? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #72
See Post #65 baldguy Dec 2013 #74
See Post #55. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #75
Sad but true. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #96
I'm calling you right now to ask that you post some examples of these 'talking points'. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #84
Cartoon = Funny and true, Snowden STILL = traitor and stupid uponit7771 Dec 2013 #21
+1 CFLDem Dec 2013 #28
I prefer rat bastard, but traitor will do. CFLDem Dec 2013 #29
I fail to understand. If this happened under Bush, we would laud Snowden as a hero. Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #81
no "we" wouldn't uponit7771 Dec 2013 #93
I remember on the original top ten an icon for "snooping" Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #94
I'm sure a lot of people here would. CFLDem Dec 2013 #99
Yes let's take the easy route and focus on an individual, and ignore the organization's crimes bobduca Dec 2013 #102
No one said that. CFLDem Dec 2013 #105
Still got nothing, hunh? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #61
Got Der Spiegel and Snowdens admission to handing docs to Chinese media = Chinese gov... uponit7771 Dec 2013 #92
The cartoon reveals the rank hypocrisy of the NSA JEB Dec 2013 #25
I never looked at it that way, it's so true... Screw Alexander and the NSA..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #32
transparency is a one way window according to "our" government yurbud Dec 2013 #34
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #41
Recommended X 1000 Enthusiast Dec 2013 #43
I don't like Snowden but neffernin Dec 2013 #44
LOL! HangOnKids Dec 2013 #90
I don't really like the NSA either. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #97
So you like the rain..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #101
Well, suppose he gave the information to the Russians instead neffernin Dec 2013 #106
As if neffernin Dec 2013 #107
Happy to be the 145th rec, woo me with science Dec 2013 #46
It did indeed. pa28 Dec 2013 #47
NSA backers focus on Snowden because the NSA crimes are indefensible. fbc Dec 2013 #48
What crimes? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #50
HERE: Hissyspit Dec 2013 #56
So the big "illegality".... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #108
No, I'm arguing that when people say there were no crimes, they are lying. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #110
Breaking the law = crime fbc Dec 2013 #66
Third-party business records are not covered by any amendment. randome Dec 2013 #71
You may be fine with our descent into a police state fujiyama Dec 2013 #85
North Korea is a Police State ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #109
There are different types of police states. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #111
k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #51
Great!!! hueymahl Dec 2013 #53
K&R. (nt) Kurovski Dec 2013 #54
Spot on. 840high Dec 2013 #68
Spot on. Authoritarians will hate this. And to them, Snowden is the devil. Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #82
k & freakin r # 211! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #86
NSA, No Stopping Anything blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #87
The Snowden haters make a lot of noise, but snot Dec 2013 #91
Not only outnumbered bobduca Dec 2013 #103
I think most have not thought this through. randome Dec 2013 #100
Let them get good old fashion warrants with probable cause of wrong doing. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #104
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