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karynnj

(59,507 posts)
90. Kerry's comments in context
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:23 PM
Apr 2014

However, here is what Kerry actually said as given in the FULL TEXT of the remarks:


The parties agreed today that all sides must refrain from the use of violence, intimidation, or provocative actions. And we strongly condemned and rejected all expressions of extremism, racism, and religious intolerance, including anti-Semitism.

Let me say a quick word about that. Just in the last couple of days, notices were sent to Jews in one city indicating that they had to identify themselves as Jews. And obviously, the accompanying threat implied is – or threatened – or suffer the consequences, one way or the other.

In the year 2014, after all of the miles traveled and all of the journey of history, this is not just intolerable; it’s grotesque. It is beyond unacceptable. And any of the people who engage in these kinds of activities, from whatever party or whatever ideology or whatever place they crawl out of, there is no place for that. And unanimously, every party today joined in this condemnation of that kind of behavior.

In addition, recently, the Ukrainian – the Russian Orthodox Church members in Ukraine were threatened that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was somehow going to attack them in the course of the next days. That kind of behavior, that kind of threat, has no place. And all parties agreed that that kind of behavior is not just grotesque and unacceptable, but it will not stand the test of the direction that Ukraine wants to move in.


http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/04/224947.htm

Note that Kerry is condemning ALL attacks - Note that speaking of Russian Orthodox Church members being threatened that the Ukrainian church would attack them that he uses the same words "grotesque and unacceptable". In both cases, he does not state who has made the threats - just that they have been made and used to intimidate.

Don't you agree that given that BOTH sides have had a history of bad behavior towards minorities that it should be condemned? Not to mention, one of the demands of the Russians was that the rights of (at least some - ie the Russian speaking) minorities be protected. What Ukraine is agreeing to do is to enact the reforms that protect the minorities. From the reports of Lavrov's comments, he too spoke of ending these behaviors as well.

I am Jewish and my husband's maternal grandmother and grandfather immigrated from near Odessa. Years ago, in Hebrew school, my kids all learned of life in the shtetls and the pograms. That the Ukrainians have a very bad history is not questionable. The same though is true of the Russians.

At this point, especially if these steps laid out in Geneva are actually taken, it is possible - that like Germany - Ukraine may confront their past or at least begin to teach that these actions against any group - whether religious, ethnic or anything else are as Kerry said "grotesque".


There is a problem with this happening no matter who wrote or put out the fliers. Note that Kerry does not say they were sent out by the pro Russians or by anyone else. It is a problem that this is happening and happening on a regular basis.
ABC radio news is pushing this story this morning...without a mention of Purveyor Apr 2014 #1
I knew you'd be here.. PCIntern Apr 2014 #57
I'm always 'here'... Purveyor Apr 2014 #109
They called it a "provocation." Igel Apr 2014 #2
It's both n/t malaise Apr 2014 #4
Did you get the part about provocation? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #3
I'm not sure why you assume people don't know the history of that area polly7 Apr 2014 #6
Because the fixation on a single reason for this tells me people do not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #9
It's not fixation at all. polly7 Apr 2014 #10
Yup, we know the US is evil and behind all the evil in the world nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #13
Could you please try to express yourself, sans condescension? 1000words Apr 2014 #16
Put me on ignore, please. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #18
How clear are one's thoughts while seething in anger? 1000words Apr 2014 #21
Whatever dude nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #23
I did no such thing. 1000words Apr 2014 #26
Do it permamently please nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #29
And here is the post nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #31
NO idea what you're going on about, re the US is evil regarding this polly7 Apr 2014 #17
I have seen this tied to the CIA nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #20
Which is exactly why it's important to get the truth. polly7 Apr 2014 #24
This is not the US ok nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #45
Well certainly no-one else here is laughing or finding any of this funny, polly7 Apr 2014 #49
I have no idea nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #51
You can speculate, and that's fine polly7 Apr 2014 #58
So when I point out that there is history here nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #59
No, speculation as to 'what will happen if the worst comes to pass'. polly7 Apr 2014 #64
As I said, McCain runs foreign policy is fine nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #65
I have NO idea on what exactly I don't see eye to eye with you on. polly7 Apr 2014 #66
You are claiming I am speculating by drawing from that long nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #67
No, I just told you, above, what you were speculating on: polly7 Apr 2014 #68
You are right I have no idea of worst case scenarios nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #70
Again, I understand that people who've been persecuted in that area polly7 Apr 2014 #73
Again, given the history nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #74
You're completely intentionally misinterpreting what I've said. polly7 Apr 2014 #77
Ok, whatever nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #79
I didn't call you any names. nt. polly7 Apr 2014 #80
have a good day nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #81
No examples of those names? polly7 Apr 2014 #82
Yeah I have lived and learn nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #84
Haven't most of us. polly7 Apr 2014 #93
I am not twisting or dismissing anything nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #97
No worries. polly7 Apr 2014 #98
My apologies nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #99
Polly didn't say anything about the US, CIA, PNAC, etc. tammywammy Apr 2014 #19
We don't know. Western europe's media goes on also with the story as not beeing a "hoax" mylye2222 Apr 2014 #5
I saw the hoax news on M$NBComcast malaise Apr 2014 #7
careful- Tons of propaganda in media currently - Link to Time mag -Hoax or extortion newthinking Apr 2014 #11
Was this a hoax btw? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #14
Hardly malaise Apr 2014 #27
Haaretz - "Flier calling on Donetsk Jews to register now widely seen as fake" Catherina Apr 2014 #62
Kerry's comments in context karynnj Apr 2014 #90
The forces inspired by Putin in both Russia and Ukraine are bigoted madmen. DemocraticWing Apr 2014 #8
The Hoax benefits Kiev, not the East or Putin newthinking Apr 2014 #12
What do you think of the Kiev Government Neo Nazi party? See my post above for sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #15
No hoax at all. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #22
+1, 000, 000 janlyn Apr 2014 #25
Is that not true for most citizens in Ukraine? malaise Apr 2014 #28
They are not under the threat of becoming the scapegoats for everything that happens. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #30
And Gays, see the current Ukraine's neo-nazi party's history on gays. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #43
Yellow Stars of David and Pink Triangles MohRokTah Apr 2014 #44
also, the disabled, and millions of Polish and Soviet civilians. Horrific. nt. polly7 Apr 2014 #46
And Gypyes are still scapegoats in France. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #48
Europe perhaps is seething on the brink of something nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #52
Direct and EXPECTED consequence of economic disease. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #54
I know, but PNAC and the IMF And World Bank nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #55
Nadin, most of us know all this, I'm sorry you don't realize that. We KNOW that the IMF/World sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #75
Sabrina I have been called all kinds of names nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #76
Yes, and I and others here have defended against those vicious attacks and will most likely sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #85
As I said, I am not going to go down that path nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #86
Who said anything about the Bildebergers? Did you mean that comment for someone else? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #89
I look at the facts too nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #101
Well, I agree with you. The PNAC is only one element and maybe if some of them were not blathering sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #104
I keep going back to what an instructor who once was in the arena told us many years ago nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #108
First, thank you for this excellent post and for taking the time to respond to my comment. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #110
No I do not believe Putin nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #111
I really wonder personnaly if the final goal of EU austeritylovers leaders mylye2222 Apr 2014 #87
It's hard to say, although they do seem to push it and use it. I doubt they care much sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #92
And another grim fact is that those EU commisional officials ar NOT elected. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #96
Which goes back to the World Economic Wall St crash, after which Europe sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #72
You forgot communists, socialists and unionists...... socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #113
Plesae do educatate yourself on the history of antisemitism nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #33
Thanks for the history reminding. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #34
Oh you welcome, I am just damned tired of this crap nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #37
Me too. Its just meaningless except giving food to the hatredmongers. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #39
Ill bring everyone together. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #40
The problem is that none is being nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #42
7 million Ukranians died under Stalin Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #38
And the Tsar evicted people to the East and was responsible for one of the nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #41
Never said it did. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #112
That's good news Marrah_G Apr 2014 #32
They also called it a provocation nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #35
"Forgery" and "Hoax" are not synonyms. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #36
I find it odd that people are having such difficulties talking about this. Brickbat Apr 2014 #47
A topic that solicits a reflexive emotional reaction. 1000words Apr 2014 #50
Exactly! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #100
Precisely n/t malaise Apr 2014 #53
Very good post. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #61
It is still terrorism against jewish people. applegrove Apr 2014 #56
It's 1 of at least 3 similar hoaxes Catherina Apr 2014 #60
Jews in east Ukraine worried after anti-Semitic tract Bosonic Apr 2014 #63
And yet the world media ran with it without considering its origin. progressivebydesign Apr 2014 #69
The media is one thing but the Secretary of State malaise Apr 2014 #71
I think Kerry's comments are puzzling 1000words Apr 2014 #78
I seconds you! mylye2222 Apr 2014 #83
No he is not naive and his comments were completely taken out of context karynnj Apr 2014 #103
Thank you 1000words Apr 2014 #105
Read Kerry's full remarks - they are general and they are good in context. karynnj Apr 2014 #88
So the media misrepresented his comments malaise Apr 2014 #91
They took a sentence or two out of context karynnj Apr 2014 #94
Yes, putting sentences out of context! as always. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #95
Not to mention, if and when it is disputed - they then say he misspoke karynnj Apr 2014 #102
I'd call it an act of terrorism Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #106
Ukraine's Chief Rabbi: "Antisemitic flyer 'by Donetsk People's Republic' in Ukraine a hoax" Catherina Apr 2014 #107
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