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Showing Original Post only (View all)Krugman: repubicans are "desperately trying to claim that the economic recovery now underway is an [View all]
illusion."Liberals, Conservatives, and Jobs
Just about everything I write evokes vituperative reactions from the usual suspects, but never so much as when I point out awkward facts. So there was a lot of mud-slinging when I pointed out last summer that Californias economy which conservatives said was doomed by tax increases and generally liberal policies was in fact experiencing an impressive recovery.
Why does this sort of thing bother conservatives so much? Well, its an essential part of their belief structure that they have a secret sauce that lets them deliver job growth that liberals cant, as Rand Paul declared.
Am I claiming that Democratic presidents were responsible for all this job creation? No, not at all, nor do I need to. The point, instead, is that their policies didnt prevent a lot of employment growth. That is, what you learn from both national experience and the California story is that you can raise taxes on the rich and expand access to health care without killing the economy.
Republicans, by contrast, need to claim that Reaganomics produced all the job growth of the 80s, just as they used to claim that Bushs ownership society was responsible for any and all good news in the 2000s. Thats why theyre desperately trying to claim that the economic recovery now underway is an illusion.
They cant handle the truth.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/liberals-conservatives-and-jobs/?_r=0
"They can't handle the truth." That is the short summary everything republican.
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Krugman: repubicans are "desperately trying to claim that the economic recovery now underway is an [View all]
pampango
Mar 2015
OP
The shortest summary for all things republican " The SAME wrong answer for everything".
Vincardog
Mar 2015
#1
The Problem Is That The Corrupt MSM And Hate Radio Will Claim It For Them.
TheMastersNemesis
Mar 2015
#2
sorry but the only people who are benefiting from any perceived recovery are the rich.
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2015
#4
Actually the chart shows "jobs" created. Not good paying middle class jobs, just "jobs".
hughee99
Mar 2015
#30
Well good for you. There are many of us who are doing worse than 2009 because
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2015
#53
Y/Y inflation is 0.0%, weekly wage growth is up 2.1 %....and there are other reasons than mentioned.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#54
Inflation Truthers? It never ends with Republicans - good economic news is being desperately denied.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#96
Do you honestly think them thar guvmint bureaucrats don't look at how many ounces there are?
progree
Mar 2015
#99
I'm not saying inflation does not exist! I'm just saying them thar guvmint bumbling bureaucrats
progree
Mar 2015
#112
glad to know you have such compassion for the millions whose low paying jobs
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2015
#58
Every time I go to the grocery something has gone up at least a dollar.
Dont call me Shirley
Mar 2015
#59
That sucks. I'm sorry. I completely agree. The cost of food is completely ridiculous.
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2015
#60
All measures of income and wages are up when measured in raw (not inflation adjusted) dollars
progree
Mar 2015
#100
From the near third Great Depression to recovery took time, and these graphs prove nothing about
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#10
Oh, Democrats are supposed to bury their head in the sand and pretend there is a recovery
DesMoinesDem
Mar 2015
#12
Agreed. There is some head in the sand burying and it is not restricted to party.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#14
There is a recovery. Jobs are one of the last things to recover from a recession.
jeff47
Mar 2015
#20
Labor force participation rate is down. If baby boomers weren't retiring en mass-
eridani
Mar 2015
#73
With shitty jobs. No gains have gone to the 995--ut's the 1% who have benefitted. n/t
eridani
Mar 2015
#91
We'll lose some oil industry jobs because of low oil prices, and we'll gain jobs elsewhere
progree
Mar 2015
#37
Again, recovery has a technical meaning. And it isn't "I feel good about the economy". (nt)
jeff47
Mar 2015
#33
it is for the average working person. who doesn't give a rip about what the top 5% think about it.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#84
I used to call people 'sheep' too for merely for holding a different opinion.
LanternWaste
Mar 2015
#46
gdp is irrelevant if 99% of the gain is captured by the 1%. which has been the case for some time.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#83
the ones who only care about winning elections will completely ignore these statistics.
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2015
#51
Right, and we're supposed to take your word on economics vs a Nobel Laureate. Sure.
stevenleser
Mar 2015
#38
You are misusing that logical fallacy. That person's credentials are in play in your statement.
stevenleser
Mar 2015
#47
So, cite your evidence that his authority is flawed because of bias or groupthink. Otherwise
stevenleser
Mar 2015
#55
The only number that matters to the vast majority of Americans is wages
Man from Pickens
Mar 2015
#44
11.5 million more jobs and INFLATION-ADJUSTED wages higher than under Clinton and Bush
progree
Mar 2015
#90
Ah, yes. Use them thar govt stats only when they make your case, otherwise deny them
progree
Mar 2015
#97
I'm not denying that its a weak economy, I'm just saying it has improved from the lows of 2009-10
progree
Mar 2015
#111
He is saying here that the recovery in high-tax, Democratic California is better than in low-tax,
pampango
Mar 2015
#71
They sound under/unemployed. Try it for several years and see how rosy your outlook is. n/t
winter is coming
Mar 2015
#49
Some folks think summer is coming, some think 'winter is coming', it is what it is.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#67
If wages are stagnant, "good news" benfitting only the 1% really is an illusion.
eridani
Mar 2015
#92